Australia Australia - Claremont SK, 1996-97, Perth, WA - #14

[petedavo.au]

Falling off a cliff or container ship and landing on in's roof would seem to be a good way to expaining damage to the car, as the forces would all apply to the roof, as long as it didn't roll. You can quite easily calculate the forces that would apply as the only acceleration acting on the car once it launched (from either) is gravity. The Fiat has a fixed mass so the Force applied to the roof would be around 11,000N. A decent enough number. Around the same as the rollover at 100km/hr, but possibly causing more damage (no body damage in rollover) as all force would be applied to roof. But the damage and the disposal at Cott would be two separate events. Falling off a container ship though, it would almost certainly sink immediately with a high density and low water displacement (I have calculated and it would be fairly fast to go down)

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[DRT]

That is short, definitely not tall. May look like him?

I have never seen BRE in any photos without his hair pushed forward like that. It also doesn't look like Masters. Not sure if they caught anyone for the rapes.

http://www.news.com.au/national/cou...n/news-story/182cde6ee9022a03a731d77dac9af08d

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...l/news-story/caabadc94c068367a745b2fea510be56

 

[DRT]

Another mention of the yellow Toyota in the May 1988 Sheraton attack.

Also victim was dumped corner of Leach Highway and Centenary Drive.

Centenary is probably closer to Shelley Bridge rather than Riverton Bridge. This would be a busier location than near Riverton Bridge but would possibly be on the way home to Huntingdale but not to close?

 

[Canning Vale]

As I mentioned beforehand I recall Centenary Ave being put through circa 1988. Perhaps at that time it wasn't open to the public - it might have been not quite finished, like a gravel track - secluded though.

 

[meticulously]

What a terrible thing to happen. It looks like her age was 45.

This is a snippet edited from #spinnakers work .
This is the top portion of the article

 

[DRT]

As I mentioned beforehand I recall Centenary Ave being put through circa 1988. Perhaps at that time it wasn't open to the public - it might have been not quite finished, like a gravel track - secluded though.

Centenary Avenue would have been well established there. It would have been on the way to Curtin University from some of the Southern suburbs. It would also have been a way to access from Leach Highway to Manning Road to head to Perth via the freeway. It was open in the 80s. Leach Highway is a route to Tonkin Highway and the airport. It may not have been busy at all times of night but there were regular cars there.

 

[Spinnaker]

Thought it would be good to start a timeline re some of the unsolved Perth 1988 attacks/ disappearances - please feel free to edit and add.

28 May 1988 - women abducted from Sheraton, beaten and assaulted dumped corner of leach Highway & Centenary Drive - possibly driving a small yellow Toyota.
Early June 1988 - 15 year old girl assaulted Mirrabooka Avenue - a woman in yellow Toyota took her to Mirrabooka shopping centre
20 June 1988 - JC, last seen leaving Pamelia Hilton 12:30am

They are all very close to each other, time wise.

 

[JoWa]

Depends on wheel alignment. Most cars I have driven don't drive 100% straight when you take hands off the wheel.
Probably says more about the amount of kerbs my mrs hits to muck up the alignment than anything. [emoji14]


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Refuse to like that comment. 100% agree, can't like because you sound like my husband ranting about the alignment. thought only my husband was anal about that crap because he works with cars.


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[Spooks-R-Us]

Years ago in South Cottesloe, on one of those particularly steeper streets, I remember people driving down the street toward the ocean and getting air borne on the descent after going over a bump in the road!
A car could pick up a great amount of speed travelling down these hillier streets and even launch into the ocean if there was no barriers back then.
In recent years the council put in stop signs and no-through roads to prevent this joy riding stunt!
Pity! Lol
Disclaimer: I wasn't driving! Lol

 

[BReVeTTe]

Sorry forgot to quote from the article in the Daily News re body found Cottesloe Beach.

The article is showing a dividend which means it is prizes for that draw. From memory probably the results would have been on Tuesday or Wednesday. As the article mentioned the body was found today it would have been probably on 12th or 13th of July 1988.

I was thinking if there is no mention of who the deceased was or what the autopsy results are then maybe death notices could be looked at for the period following .. died suddenly, taken from us unexpectedly type notices.

I do still think 800 metres is a long distance. Long enough to be speculation.

no knowledge of gambling here, so thanks for your point RE dividend date being 'results'
...but dang, DRT, i was excited by the thought this deceased male might be incorporated with JC's disappearance - perhaps a clue where there are few to none - and i'm not yet convinced it isn't related, so i will merely extend the window of opportunity to 13th july1988 which is still within 3weeks post-Parmelia function.

police "sudden death squad" attended the discovery of the deceased male found in the vicinity of cottesloe's smaller southern groyne.
what exactly is "sudden death" ...?
it is ANY type of unanticipated death; death occurring unexpectedly ...and includes:
• suicide
• road crash or other transport disaster
• drowning, falling, fire or other tragedy
• undiagnosed advanced terminal illness, such as advanced cancer
• sudden natural causes, such as heart attack, brain hemorrhage, or cot death
• sudden death from a serious illness that was known about, but where death wasn't expected, for example epilepsy
• murder
• war or terrorism ( suddendeath.org )

iMO, the fact HE was found FACE DOWN in the rocks, "NAKED", in the MiDDLE of WiNTER, virtually on the doorstep of what turned out to be a major crime - i would rule out most of the above given causes for "sudden death" ...with the exception of murder (and/or a possible transport disaster?)
...there has been much previous discussion of the physics of mass/velocity required to enable both the FiAT'S launch into the ocean and the damage it sustained.
there has also been mention RE the possibility of the FiAT having been stored/concealed prior to its disposal ... (locally?)
we also have the report of a woman, possibly Julie, calling the paper asking to be left alone (on 27th june, one week after her last recorded sighting) ... she may well have been abducted AND held hostage for a period.

could the deceased male have been a witness to events? a neighbour, a landlord? someone who knew too much?
a person known to Julie? a foiled rescuer?
or perhaps someone known to her abductor? an accomplice turned risk factor?
[emoji887]

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Another DNA BUNGLE!

$4 million worth of METH found in ceiling cavity!!

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...e/news-story/5c179f1095f92db29f8e0416fe1dccb0


Cops forgot to change gloves after searching other parts of apartment, and then also put containers of meth they found in ceiling cavity straight on uncovered kitchen bench .
Lawyers easily argued that DNA could be transferred from kitchen bench (table) to containers of METH !!!!

Seriously worrying about state of DNA affairs in WA!!!

 

[Spinnaker]

no knowledge of gambling here, so thanks for your point RE dividend date being 'results'
...but dang, DRT, i was excited by the thought this deceased male might be incorporated with JC's disappearance - perhaps a clue where there are few to none - and i'm not yet convinced it isn't related, so i will merely extend the window of opportunity to 13th july1988 which is still within 3weeks post-Parmelia function.

police "sudden death squad" attended the discovery of the deceased male found in the vicinity of cottesloe's smaller southern groyne.
what exactly is "sudden death" ...?
it is ANY type of unanticipated death; death occurring unexpectedly ...and includes:
• suicide
• road crash or other transport disaster
• drowning, falling, fire or other tragedy
• undiagnosed advanced terminal illness, such as advanced cancer
• sudden natural causes, such as heart attack, brain hemorrhage, or cot death
• sudden death from a serious illness that was known about, but where death wasn't expected, for example epilepsy
• murder
• war or terrorism ( suddendeath.org )

iMO, the fact HE was found FACE DOWN in the rocks, "NAKED", in the MiDDLE of WiNTER, virtually on the doorstep of what turned out to be a major crime - i would rule out most of the above given causes for "sudden death" ...with the exception of murder (and/or a possible transport disaster?)
...there has been much previous discussion of the physics of mass/velocity required to enable both the FiAT'S launch into the ocean and the damage it sustained.
there has also been mention RE the possibility of the FiAT having been stored/concealed prior to its disposal ... (locally?)
we also have the report of a woman, possibly Julie, calling the paper asking to be left alone (on 27th june, one week after her last recorded sighting) ... she may well have been abducted AND held hostage for a period.

could the deceased male have been a witness to events? a neighbour, a landlord? someone who knew too much?
a person known to Julie? a foiled rescuer?
or perhaps someone known to her abductor? an accomplice turned risk factor?
[emoji887]

Great points above BreVette!

I agree with your thoughts about the phone call and that there is a possibility that JC was held hostage, otherwise there was a woman involved impersonating JC. Also perhaps that the BLF (Brave Little Fiat) could have been stored locally.

I have added to the below timeline:

28 May 1988 - women abducted from Sheraton, beaten and assaulted dumped corner of leach Highway & Centenary Drive - possibly driving a small yellow Toyota.
Early June 1988 - 15 year old girl assaulted Mirrabooka Avenue - a woman in yellow Toyota took her to Mirrabooka shopping centre
20 June 1988 - JC, last seen leaving Pamelia Hilton 12:30am, BLF found near Cottesloe groyne on the 22 June, 1988.
13 July, 1988 - Deceased male (approx 45) found, face down & naked in the vicinity of Cottesloe's small groyne (800m away from BLF).

 

[petedavo.au]

Great points above BreVette!

I agree with your thoughts about the phone call and that there is a possibility that JC was held hostage, otherwise there was a woman involved impersonating JC. Also perhaps that the BLF (Brave Little Fiat) could have been stored locally.

I have added to the below timeline:

28 May 1988 - women abducted from Sheraton, beaten and assaulted dumped corner of leach Highway & Centenary Drive - possibly driving a small yellow Toyota.
Early June 1988 - 15 year old girl assaulted Mirrabooka Avenue - a woman in yellow Toyota took her to Mirrabooka shopping centre
20 June 1988 - JC, last seen leaving Pamelia Hilton 12:30am, BLF found near Cottesloe groyne on the 22 June, 1988.
13 July, 1988 - Deceased male (approx 45) found, face down & naked in the vicinity of Cottesloe's small groyne (800m away from BLF).

The then disused former Cottesloe Council Works Depot at the old Quarry?

The one that the Council finally found a buyer for, as seen in the developer's video of earthworks after the sheds were removed?

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[Canning Vale]

Hi Spinnaker,
I'd like to add this to the beginning of the timeline....

September 1985 - Prowling at Southern River near Richard Rushton Comm Centre (ie along river pathway). Riding bicycle, either after school or after sporting sessions. Several incidents reported to police, thus police commence searching for perpetrator described as being tall, with short dark hair who wore glasses.

December 1985 - 17th birthday - perhaps had driving lessons for obtaining a drivers license.

1986 - Started work at Telecom (later to become Telstra)

 

[Canning Vale]

Centenary Avenue would have been well established there. It would have been on the way to Curtin University from some of the Southern suburbs. It would also have been a way to access from Leach Highway to Manning Road to head to Perth via the freeway. It was open in the 80s. Leach Highway is a route to Tonkin Highway and the airport. It may not have been busy at all times of night but there were regular cars there.

DRT,

Thanks for the feedback. I mentioned that because I thought it might help. Regards CV

 

[Spinnaker]

Hi Spinnaker,
I'd like to add this to the beginning of the timeline....

September 1985 - Prowling at Southern River near Richard Rushton Comm Centre (ie along river pathway). Riding bicycle, either after school or after sporting sessions. Several incidents reported to police, thus police commence searching for perpetrator described as being tall, with short dark hair who wore glasses.

December 1985 - 17th birthday - perhaps had driving lessons for obtaining a drivers license.

1986 - Started work at Telecom (later to become Telstra)

Thanks CV - Grok has posted an excellent timeline, will update and repost.

 

[petedavo.au]

Hi Spinnaker,
I'd like to add this to the beginning of the timeline....

September 1985 - Prowling at Southern River near Richard Rushton Comm Centre (ie along river pathway). Riding bicycle, either after school or after sporting sessions. Several incidents reported to police, thus police commence searching for perpetrator described as being tall, with short dark hair who wore glasses.

December 1985 - 17th birthday - perhaps had driving lessons for obtaining a drivers license.

1986 - Started work at Telecom (later to become Telstra)

1986 to 1988 Telecom Technical School, corner of Ley St and Manning Rd, Como

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[petedavo.au]

1986 to 1988 Telecom Technical School, corner of Ley St and Manning Rd, Como

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Probably after doing apprenticeship at Ley St, Como finishing in 1988 does extra courses at Telecom technical School in William St, North Perth (which specialises in handset repairing)

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[Spinnaker]

Please find below early part of Grok's excellent timeline - just checking best way to add additional points.

Born 1968	Assault - Rape - Missing - Murdered
1972 Margaret River Caravan Park Edwards Family EROLL
1974 Approx Huntingdale Primary School
1985 Year 12 Gosnells High School Nickname "Bogsy" Link
G Family Mosman Park La Petite Cabine (the little cabin) 616 Stirling Hwy- Moved to Glyde street before 1987 (Unlikely connection to BRE)
1986 BRE Telecom Worker, as was his father 18 Years Old	Sharon Fulton (39) Missing Last Seen March 21 Lived: Duncraig Relationship: Married with four children Worked: Stay at home mother Schools: Details: Sharon was last seen at the WA Sound and Coordination Centre in Wangara about 9.30am on March 18, 1986. She was dropping off her three-year-old son. She was supposed to attend a gathering at a friend’s house in Bayswater at 11am that day but never arrived. Link Link
1986	Cheryl Renwick (33) Missing Last Seen May 26/27 Lived: South Perth Relationship: Worked: Schools: Details: Cheryl was last seen at her unit in South Perth. Wearing: Dark tartan skirt, pink skivvy, brown boots
1986	Barbara Western (age) Murdered Last Seen August 27 found in bushland north-east of Canning Dam Lived: Relationship: Worked: Schools:
1986	Birnies - Known Killings 6 October 1986–5 November 1986 - Apprehended November 1986
1987 19 Years Old	Sally Greenham (43) Missing Last Seen August 19 Lived: Geraldton Relationship: Worked: Schools: Details: Sally was from Geraldton and was seen (allegedly) alighting from a taxi, early hours of the morning (Aug 20) Adelaide Terrace Perth (a3)
1988 February 19 - 144 Gay St Huntingdale EROLL Various Reports: State address as 142 20 Years Old	Wednesday February 15 Huntingdale -Woman (18) finds intruder in her bedroom, attempted rape. Kimono found at scene (a1) Link Lived: Huntingdale Relationship: Worked: Schools: Details: A women (18) was woken to find a man on top of her, she screamed and he fled. The police found a Kimono at the scene which was stolen off a clothes line previously.
1988	Julie Cutler (22) Missing Last Seen Monday 20 June 12.30am Parmilia Hotel Mount St Perth (a3) Link Lived: Fremantle Relationship: Boyfriend Worked: Hilton Hotel Schools: Iona Presentation College 75-82 University: Curtin University English Literature and Arts (WAIT) Then living at East Vic Park Details: During May or June a car tail-gated Julie's and she was sure the car tried to run her off Stirling Highway. She reported this incident to the police. On the night Julie went missing she was at a work function. Julie left the Parmilia Hotel left around 12.30am. Two days later her car (Two-tone grey 1963 Fiat sedan) was found at Cottesloe in surf. Wearing: Black evening dress with a high collar and gold buttons on the shoulder and black patent shoes
1988 June - 28 Challenger Rd Madora Bay Purchased (Father)
1989 21 Years Old	Women was abducted from car at Cottesloe Hotel and taken in a Station Wagon to Lakeway Drive-In, she escaped and the perpetrator recaptured the women. No mention of rape (a2)
1990 EC and BRE Relationship During 1990s 22 Years Old
1991 BRE & EC Living Albert St Osborne Park 23 Years Old
1991 April - 10 Fountain Way Huntingdale Purchase BRE & ECE Married
1991 15 May - BRE on Madora Bay EROLL
1991	Kerry Turner (18) Murdered Last Seen Sunday 30 June East Vic Park (a3) Link Lived: Bickley Worked: Child Care Worker Schools: Details: Kerry was out with a friend at Pinnocchio's Night Club. Kerry caught a taxi from Murray St around 4 am but didn't have the fare. When the driver discovered she couldn't pay the fare, he driver dumped her at the Causeway. Kerry was seen hitch hiking and a second taxi picked her up and dropped her on Shepperdton Rd at around 5 am. Kerry was last seen speaking and getting into a blue (possible model) Datsun 260C. Sadly she was found on July 1991 hidden behind a log in bushland in the Canning Dam area Wearing:
1991 November 8 - BRE on Madora Bay EROLL
1992 March 20- BRE on Madora Bay EROLL 24 Years Old	Two women were raped after being out in Claremont, near the Swanbourne Train Station. Assume in two difference instances. (a2) Link
1993 January 21 - BRE on 10 Fountain Way EROLL 25 Years Old

 

[Spinnaker]

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