I started reading through this thread and I'm not sure if there was a conclusion or whether so much was removed to connect ACR (Australian Computer Resellers at 322 StirlingHwy) to BRE or not. It does explain a link to Claremont and close to where CG disappeared.
12-28-2016, 02:21 PM
#953OneSmallStepAtATime
Originally Posted by
Grok
Ok I will try this again because I stepped across the Sleuths Rules line and the post was deleted. Sorry Mod...I will stick to the facts just outlined in the report.
I find it interesting that there was a business on Stirling HWY called Australian Computer Resellers at the time that Ciara went missing. It is detailed in this report.
https://www.crimestopperswa.com.au/o...ilish-glennon/
I think it is ok to say the business name as it was in the report and no longer exists.
More information about Australian Computer Resellers can be found by searching the Australian Business Register.
www.abr.business.gov.au Well worth a look
12-28-2016, 03:03 PM
#976 CP345
Looks like ACR is now closed. Ended up in Cannington but was obviously in Claremont and some stage. I believe you can do advanced searches of the company database if you've paid for access. That probably needs to be done to see exactly what links BE had to this business. Hell of a coincidence if it's someone else. Common name or not.
12-28-2016, 02:57 PM
#972JBA512
Originally Posted by
CP345
It appears that the 'Edwards Family Trust' owned Australian Computer Resellers. The same company that the crimestoppers report on CG said she was last seen in front of. If this ownership is related to BE then this is no coincidence. Also means no vehicle would have been needed at all to transport the victims from the Claremont area immediately.
Do we know a location of ACR?
12-28-2016, 03:10 PM
#981nattymcgherkin
Well yes, but I searched Edwards Family Trust, which is the owner of Australian Computer Resellers, not just the name Edwards. I was just speculating because the postcode is so close to Kewdale and the business type is interesting. I also found a Mandurah Survey Services owned by Edwards Family Trust. His parents live/d in Mandurah. Just putting possibilities out there, like everyone else.
12-28-2016, 03:13 PM
#985 nattymcgherkin
Edwards Family Trust is also the owner of BEs Services. Plus another poster found a VinnComm. Looks like he had many ABNs. I dont think its that far-fetched.
2-28-2016, 03:32 PM
#990 FreeRadical
BE's Services had an entity name Brendan Edwards as Trustee for the Edwards family trust, later shortened to The Edwards Family Trust. I don't think it is associated with CSK.
There is a little bit about an Australian Computer Resellers here http://.reckon.com.au/Portals/0/R...rResellers.pdf
12-28-2016, 03:42 PM
#999 Grok
Hang on I retract my last comment..If BE's services has the same name as the edwards family trust how is that wrong, or did I miss something?
12-28-2016, 03:44 PM
#1000 Shredder86
Originally Posted by
Grok
Probably nothing. At the time Ciara went missing there was a business on Stirling HWY called Australian Computer Resellers. There was also a business in Cannington of the same name. The ABN is in EDWARDS FAMILY TRUST
http://abr.business.gov.au/SearchByA...bn=84053452200
The ABN however says it has only been registered since 2000 but obviously from the report there was a business of the same name in 1997
https://www.crimestopperswa.com.au/o...ilish-glennon/
Nice find! Could have been the nearby location the leased premises. He took them there? Hmm
12-28-2016, 03:44 PM
#1001 JoeDetective
Originally Posted by
Grok
Looks like it is eliminated then...Thanks....
Hold your horses, it wasn't likely the guy working for telstra also ran a PC store, but was this guy a relative who gave BE access?
12-28-2016, 03:58 PM
#1015 nattymcgherkin
Things are getting a bit confusing with the business names. To clarify:
Australian Computer Resellers is owned by Edwards Family Trust. No confirmation of ownership, just very coincidental.
A search of Edwards Family Trust brought up a business called "BE's Services". I thought this may be linked to our BE as someone mentioned he had a lawnmowing business. Another poster clarified it is owned by a B***dan Edwards so nothing to do with our BE.
Last edited by sillybilly; 12-28-2016 at 04:09 PM. Reason: inserted **** in place of full name
12-28-2016, 04:09 PM
#1024 Elyce
Originally Posted by
FreeRadical
BE's Services had an entity name Brendan Edwards as Trustee for the Edwards family trust, later shortened to The Edwards Family Trust. I don't think it is associated with CSK.
There is a little bit about an Australian Computer Resellers here
http://.reckon.com.au/Portals/0/R...rResellers.pdf
According to the reckon PDF, owner of ACR is/was recently another person. It states the business started in 1993, which is in line with the ABN details also posted here (that state it was cancelled in 1996). Perhaps the business changed hands recently? The PDF doesn't state they have always owned the business.
12-28-2016, 04:13 PM
#1028 stalker9
Originally Posted by
JoeDetective
that BE is not Brendan... right?
No - BE who was arrested. Definitely him
12-28-2016, 04:12 PM
#1027JBA512
Originally Posted by
Grok
Ok the previous poster didn't make that clear. So that BE has no relation to the suspected BE? If that is the case then definitely excluded...and sorry to waste everyones time..
12-28-2016, 04:14 PM
#1029
OneSmallStepAtATime
There are 2 listings on the ABN register for Australian Computer Resellers.
1. One has a cancelled ABN and has an entity name of Digital Frog Pty Ltd
The director of Digital Frog is Gordon Harris
http://www.manta.com/ic/mx1cv0p/au/digital-frog-pty-ltd
2. The other still has an active ABN and is linked to the Edwards Family Trust
Seems like 2 very separate businesses that at one point in time had the same trading name??
12-28-2016, 04:27 PM
#1038nattymcgherkin
Originally Posted by
stalker9
No - the father's name is not Brendan. (I think the computer business is just a coincidence, unfortunately)
The name Brendan has nothing to do with the computer store. That was to do with the other listing I found called BEs Services, which a poster clarified wasnt our BE as it was someone called Brendan.
12-28-2016, 04:40 PM
#1042 CP345
The registration was cancelled but that doesn't mean the business necessarily closed. The ownership structure may have changed. Unless it had closed and it was an empty building still leased...
12-28-2016, 04:50 PM
#1048 curious one
Sorry, can't find who mentioned that it was registered in 2000 - ABN's came in when the GST came in - so in July 2000 existing businesses needed an ABN to issue tax invoices.
It's more likely parents/extended family created the family trust - to protect assets, and divert income to family members for tax purposes. A trust could also be set up via someone's will. (Testamentory Trust)
Interestingly, someone who worked at ACR went to Gosnells high school from 1998 - 2002.
12-28-2016, 04:56 PM
#1051 AlwaysCurious77
This is what I can work out so far.
ACR (abbreviated by me but also the name they used) seems to have started in 1993. I *think * it was sold/changed ownership as it started to be run by Digital Frog Pty Ltd in 2007. (There is another reason I think this, based on finding the owner on LinkedIn).
So opened 1993
Registered for GST 2000
Sold? Changed hands 2007
Closed 2015
12-28-2016, 05:20 PM
#1061curious one
Australian Computer Resellers is a Perth-based retail computer store that has been trading in quality bargin priced new, nearly new, and refurbished computers and accessories since 1993.
We stock an excellent variety of desktop computer systems, notebook and sub-compact computers, desktop replacements, and computer accessories. If you have special computer needs we can custom build a computer to your specifications. Our in-house technician is available Mon-Fri to troubleshoot the computer issues of our valued customers.
https://www.wordofmouth.com.au/revie...ers-cannington
12-28-2016, 06:36 PM
#1094 CP345
I've ordered the more comprehensive report to get clarification on the ownership of the computer store. They were very quick to send me the invoice. Now just waiting on the report...
12-29-2016, 08:16 AM
#7 Coroner
Originally Posted by
rhythymz
Well, I am going to give this a go.....
Regarding Australian Computer Resellers, who MOD has said we can talk about, there is another person whose initials are also BRE and who is also a technician who could have been its owner.
He was in the Army in 1964 so he probably went to Vietnam.
I'm going with a VERY large coincidence re ACR and trust name
NEW THREAD #
12-29-2016, 08:33 AM
#11 rhythymz
Seems ACR specialised in gaming computers....
http://2012desktopcomputers.blogspot...rsdesktop.html
12-29-2016, 08:40 AM
#15 Fortune Cookie
Had a quick look at domain name owner for ACR. Came up with D & F (WA) PTY LTD with no ABN, only ACN which you can't search info for without paying ASIC.
12-29-2016, 12:32 PM
#47 thunderwombat
Hi all- post time poster so hopefully I don't stuff it up. Of course, admin please delete if I have overstepped the mark.
In a previous thread (I can't find it, sorry) someone mentioned that they had found BRE's parents on the electoral roll. Historical crime reasearch is a big interest of mine so I thought I'd see if there was anything interesting about his family on ancestry.com. If people are still living they are hard to research, but there are electoral rolls up until 1980. At the G** St, Huntingdale addresss previously mentioned, lived another BRE in 1980, same intitials but different first and middle names. B**** R****** Edwards (male) and E******** K**** Edwards (female). His occupation is listed as technician. The same people are on the 1972 Roll living in a caravan park at Margaret River. Occupation: technician.
I'll make it clear before someone points it out that this BRE is obviously not the suspect, who would have been 12 in 1980.
Please feel free to ignore, I'm more comfortable as a reader than a poster.
12-29-2016, 12:35 PM
#48Shortfusepsb
I believe that they are the parents of the charged BRE. Anyone care to clarify.
12-29-2016, 01:04 PM
#58 rati0nal
BRE (senior) wasn't just a technician, he was a technician for the Postmaster General, who was responsible for telephone lines.
12-29-2016, 02:20 PM
#77 nattymcgherkin
Trying to get further details about ACR off the D&B website. You can order comprehensive reports on business. After doing a search for ACR a list of similar business was found. When I clicked on the Deregistered ACR listing, the search just hangs and nothing shows up. All the other businesses I click on bring up a selection of reports you can choose to purchase. Weird or just another coincidence?
12-30-2016, 11:32 PM
#658 CP345
Originally Posted by
nattymcgherkin
Still can't access any info on ACR. Seems like it has been taken offline. I found info that there was also a store in Armadale at some time.
Really? Where did you find this? I'm starting to get quite suss as to why I didn't get a report that I paid for and to why my enquiry as to why has gone unanswered. I was hoping to find out who the trustee is and possibly beneficiaries.
Looks like they were in Claremont, then armadale, then cannington. I know they were in cannington from at least 2011 due to looking at archived web pages.
1. 2-30-2016, 11:56 PM
#665 CP345
Originally Posted by
nattymcgherkin
If you google search Australian Computer Resellers page 2 lists a linkedin profile for someone called CF who apparently was owner/operator of ACR for 8 years. I dont understand the link to Edwards Family Trust. Im not even sure of all 3 stores are related.
I think it was understood that the business was sold in 2007.
2. 12-30-2016, 11:59 PM
#666nattymcgherkin
Originally Posted by
CP345
I think it was understood that the business was sold in 2007.
Yes, but I thought that was to Digital Frog and they are operated by GH and BH.
12-31-2016, 09:47 AM
#707dilettante
Disappointed the family trust lookup appears a scam. I'm seeing a couple of things that suggest ACR and BE might be related but don't want to post without more proof.
Last edited by dilettante; 12-31-2016 at 09:52 AM.
01-07-2017, 11:29 AM
#735
I would lean towards someone 40+ having a family trust.
So parents or uncles would be the most likely and to give a key.
Seeing we don't know all the extended families initials its hard to rule out completely.
1. 01-01-2017, 12:12 PM
#993CP345
Originally Posted by
RETPI
In regards to ACR. A simple business names historical search shows that the EDWARDS involved in the business, came much after the CSK incidents.
It is a very common name and one of the co-incidences that often occur in these type of investigations.
It looks more and more likely from other sources to be unrelated but the simple names search you describe shows that they got an ABN set up in 2000. Is that the date you're referring to? Nearly every business had to get an ABN and register for GST in 2000 as that's when the GST started. I don't think this rules out the same people owning it before that. They just didn't need the ABN. If you've got other info on top of that that I couldn't find them I'm happy to stand corrected.
There is a little more that I'll add when I find it again.