Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #8

[Puggle]

Sorry Puggle. Don't mean to say you are incorrect. I am trying to point out that most everything that the ice-boy says is disputed by someone else who knows him. A relative, an old associate, an old friend .....

Thats ok SouthAussie .....

I personally dont have any reason to doubt what was written in aspect to him saying he worked at Maccas or whever it was (one of the big chain fast food) outlets .....
and feeling used up .....by having to hand over the majority of his money...

Maybe this was part n parcel of his rebelious outburst as a young teen .... maybe that's why he ended up going to live with his Dad ...

Im just thinking outloud .... anyones guess I suppose.

 

[possumheart]

I just feel sorry for the detectives.
Karen is dead.
This is about her.

I have been thinking more about AR and those toxic FB posts on 29/6/16 from 4.30am.

It was actually his girlfriend who suggested that he should bring up the "stuff that happened with Karen" and direct his anger towards Karen and Borce instead of her.

A lot of rage AR was carrying at the time of Karen's disappearance was because his girlfriend had just left him....he has 2 children from that relationship, so he also had that to cope with....all this happening at the same time (just all become too much, causing him to reach for more and more "ice".....I am not trying to make excuses for him or his behaviour, but it didn't help matters.

I've been going through some old posts from the previous threads here to jog my memory on things that I may have forgotten....in doing so, I also realised that he didn't even meet his father Borce until he was a teenager....after an abusive childhood with his mother that was mentioned on Thread 4....I also kept some notes from his FB page before all those posts were deleted...MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

I just feel sorry for the detectives.
Karen is dead.
This is about her.

Thank you! Yes.

 

[Puggle]

I just feel sorry for the detectives.
Karen is dead.
This is about her.

That is true .....

But I have to admit I have sympathy for every single person involved in this horrible nightmare... from her friends, fellow workers ....Her Family above all else..

And yes that includes AR.

 

[Armchair snoop]

I would say so ..... they would be looking at what (sorry) little critters particular to the area have been up too .... what stages of infestation ...

I would think the same forensic entomology examination could tell if a corspe has been left for a period of time at say X ....... and then moved to Y.

Been looking on net and found that in America they can determine how long a body has been in a certain place by the types of bugs on the body. A lot of it might as well be written in another language cause I don't understand half of it. Wonder if that is used in Aus?

 

[Puggle]

Been looking on net and found that in America they can determine how long a body has been in a certain place by the types of bugs on the body. A lot of it might as well be written in another language cause I don't understand half of it. Wonder if that is used in Aus?

Yeah I would think the process would be the same.

Hopefully all the other aspects of the invesigation and forensic evidence is falling into place ...... and Karen' murderer will face justice sooner rather than later.

 

[Armchair snoop]

Yeah I would think the process would be the same.

Hopefully all the other aspects of the invesigation and forensic evidence is falling into place ...... and Karen' murderer will face justice sooner rather than later.

Yes Puggle I know we all hope that.

 

[SouthAussie]

Been looking on net and found that in America they can determine how long a body has been in a certain place by the types of bugs on the body. A lot of it might as well be written in another language cause I don't understand half of it. Wonder if that is used in Aus?

Yes, there are people like this in Australia, snoop. Melanie Archer is one entomologist that I have heard about. She helps to solve crimes by helping determine how long a person has been deceased - through the study of insects.
And there are quite a handful of forensic scientists in all states who participate in similar activities, using soil samples and such.

Lots of links ... here are just a few:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-...pecialists-reveal-gritty-side-of-jobs/6681316
http://news.curtin.edu.au/stories/csi-curtin-researchers-helping-solve-crimes-chemistry/
http://www.adelaide.edu.au/adelaidean/issues/69723/news69743.html

 

[sosocurious]

Yes, there are people like this in Australia, snoop. Melanie Archer is one entomologist that I have heard about. She helps to solve crimes by helping determine how long a person has been deceased - through the study of insects.
And there are quite a handful of forensic scientists in all states who participate in similar activities, using soil samples and such.

Lots of links ... here are just a few:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-...pecialists-reveal-gritty-side-of-jobs/6681316
http://news.curtin.edu.au/stories/csi-curtin-researchers-helping-solve-crimes-chemistry/
http://www.adelaide.edu.au/adelaidean/issues/69723/news69743.html

Then there is the hands on research

Australia's first body farm:

"I am an old homicide investigator, and all that stuff that comes out of this work adds to the knowledge and the database of different things about decomposition. It can help solve crime. There are a myriad of things we look at to determine the last movements of the deceased, and it is critical to lock in death to a particular time," he said.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/aust...-to-donate-their-corpses-20150408-1mgod0.html

 

[Specialk72]

I did a uni course in forensics. Professors such as Maciej Henneberg who worked on the Daniel Morcombe remains, Professor Roger Byard just to name 2. So many aspects they look at. Weather, foliage growth, what's under the body and the foliage decomposition, animal life, state of decomposition, decomp fluid, so so much.....whether animals have chewed on the bones (sorry), larvae, or larvae casings....all play a role in determining how long she had been dead when she was placed there and whether or not that was her first resting place or if she was moved.



It's incredibly interesting

 

[SouthAussie]

Then there is the hands on research

Australia's first body farm:

"I am an old homicide investigator, and all that stuff that comes out of this work adds to the knowledge and the database of different things about decomposition. It can help solve crime. There are a myriad of things we look at to determine the last movements of the deceased, and it is critical to lock in death to a particular time," he said.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/aust...-to-donate-their-corpses-20150408-1mgod0.html

There is also a lady from Perth, I was looking for some references about her, who I know has flown around Australia to conduct similar work on current cases ... and is happy to testify at trials. Wish I could remember her name. From memory she has testified in at least one case trial that we have followed on here. Don't ask me which one though! :anguish:

 

[Didi1201]

Is it possible that one of them admits guilt to save other family member who did it?
Or LE still need story that would make sense?
In case SR or AR did it by accident and BR wants to protect kids

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[SouthAussie]

Is it possible that one of them admits guilt to save other family member who did it?
Or LE still need story that would make sense?
In case SR or AR did it by accident and BR wants to protect kids

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Personally, I think police have been very clear about what they think has happened. What the evidence they have is showing them.

And now we wait. Which is the hardest part.

 

[Didi1201]

Police can't be sure about what happened in the house the night before, say SR, VR and KR were in the house but there is no way of knowing for certain who did it when br and sr are backing each other and 3rd person is dead.

Some hard evidence is needed to convict and so far we don't have much, hence noone is charged yet


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[steve richardson]

The media has been very quiet today as opposed to recent days, it almost seems like the calm before the storm.

I am not sure of all involved but i dont think AR
is involved in any way as he was ruled out a long time ago by police and I haven't seen much following that to put him back into the fold.

Someone posted a few posts back if people thought BR followed and read posts here. I am 100% sure that he does and while he is no doubt not happy with some posts mine included when the two closest to someone missing dont talk to the media or police to assist the investigation people will submise and come to their own conclusions.
Happy to follow discussion here and to read how people think your involved and not to come out publicly to discount negative comments is baffling.Dont blame the posters views when its your lack of actions contributing towards making it happen.
Some people have questioned if SR is involved. I wouldn't want to comment on that unless I had solid proof as it doesnt bare thinking about but once again not assisting police or talking to the media makes people ask the question.
I just hope when someone is charged there is enough evidence shown to them that they put their hands up so it doesnt go through a court case because it will be one messy affair given what has transpired over the past months.

 

[SouthAussie]

Police can't be sure about what happened in the house the night before, say SR, VR and KR were in the house but there is no way of knowing for certain who did it when br and sr are backing each other and 3rd person is dead.

Some hard evidence is needed to convict and so far we don't have much, hence noone is charged yet


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You and I and everyone on here have very little idea about what evidence the police have. So while we may entertain various theories, we can be quite sure they know what has happened and are busy proving it so it will stand up firmly in court. They are not novices at this game.

They have had months and months of detailed investigation. By now they will know who was where, and when, they see what CCTV has shown them, they will have forensic evidence from the house and cars and their searches in the fields and forest, they know what the pings are telling them .... they have the whole picture, we have little snippets, only what they have decided to reveal.

There is absolutely no hint that Vasko was in the house at the time, nor any sign that Ant was there at the time, it seems that Sarah was not home till around 7pm, so that leaves Borce ... and Karen.



The head of the missing persons unit, Detective Inspector Stephen Dennis, says police are confident they’ll find out what happened to Mrs Ristevski.
http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...i/news-story/9a1e101a7939e6fdcded314cba546c88

Police consider the husband of Melbourne mother Karen Ristevski to be the key suspect for her murder, according to his lawyer. http://www.smh.com.au/victoria/find...secution-top-lawyer-says-20170223-gujq1x.html

And now that his wife’s body has been discovered, it is likely that Mr Ristevski will again face further questioning from detectives.
Investigators will already have drawn up an exhaustive list of Mrs Ristevski’s family, friends and associates they will now talk to once again.
They will be confident they know where the investigation is heading.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...r/news-story/6a7f94682f998390b348e7e19a7d9491

 

[sosocurious]

Police can't be sure about what happened in the house the night before, say SR, VR and KR were in the house but there is no way of knowing for certain who did it when br and sr are backing each other and 3rd person is dead.

Some hard evidence is needed to convict and so far we don't have much, hence noone is charged yet


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The night before????
VR???
In who's house.

 

[KG1]

The night before????
VR???
In who's house.

Read the post again - this is a hypothetical scenario only.

 

[Didi1201]

The night before????
VR???
In who's house.

Opps, i meant BR... Not VR


But we still don't know who was in the house tjat night, seems strange SR is not cooperative. You would think she would be more open about unless she knows something is fishy

Police can't be sure about what happened in the house the night before, say SR, VR and KR were in the house but there is no way of knowing for certain who did it when br and sr are backing each other and 3rd person is dead.

Some hard evidence is needed to convict and so far we don't have much, hence noone is charged yet


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[SouthAussie]

Opps, i meant BR... Not VR


But we still don't know who was in the house tjat night, seems strange SR is not cooperative. You would think she would be more open about unless she knows something is fishy



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Don't know if you had the chance to read this post (see link below) by Karen's cousin, Steve. He felt that something is off kilter about Sarah's situation, too.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ne-Vic-29-June-2016-6&p=12820411#post12820411


(Hope you don't mind me referencing your great post, Steve. It just gives a lot of food for thought.)