Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #8

[Didi1201]

OK, SR was there night before and was part of heated discussion re business.
Did br and kr sleep together in the same room that night?
Did sr see her mum kr in the morning before she left the house, presumably sometime before 10am?

Why we can't see any video of BR speaking, has he always used someone to speak to media. I think there would be a lot of giveaways there, innocent man would be more media friendly and would use media to his advantage...seriously, if you are completely clean you would look baffled and be like 'i dont know what happened to my wife, its mind-boggling etc', but he looks more like he is covering up or that he knows something and is trying to make sure he doesn't stuff up by saying something wrong. He thinks too much but isnt surprised 6by her disappearance and when body was found he went to his lawyer, wouldn't you be the first to rush to the place if you clean?

VR is more casual about it with his China, United States and fake passport theory, he is innocent but knows about it



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[Adrianna]

The media has been very quiet today as opposed to recent days, it almost seems like the calm before the storm.

I am not sure of all involved but i dont think AR
is involved in any way as he was ruled out a long time ago by police and I haven't seen much following that to put him back into the fold.

Someone posted a few posts back if people thought BR followed and read posts here. I am 100% sure that he does and while he is no doubt not happy with some posts mine included when the two closest to someone missing dont talk to the media or police to assist the investigation people will submise and come to their own conclusions.
Happy to follow discussion here and to read how people think your involved and not to come out publicly to discount negative comments is baffling.Dont blame the posters views when its your lack of actions contributing towards making it happen.
Some people have questioned if SR is involved. I wouldn't want to comment on that unless I had solid proof as it doesnt bare thinking about but once again not assisting police or talking to the media makes people ask the question.
I just hope when someone is charged there is enough evidence shown to them that they put their hands up so it doesnt go through a court case because it will be one messy affair given what has transpired over the past months.

Steve thanks for this....

I find it odd that SR stopped speaking to the media, I would have thought she would have made many appeals for information on her mother. They also had people like Samuel Johnson from Love your Sister, who spoke out and could have been encouraged to make another appeal im sure, the media would have published that for sure.

Why BR is reading this is behind me, he is not going to read nice things said about him, in most minds he is the main suspect, is he guilty? I am not sure. But if I was him I would be spending time doing things other than reading here. Not healthy IMO.

 

[JC40]

Innocent people tell the truth.
They take polygraphs, although not 100% reliable and inadmissible in court. It shows however, they have nothing to hide.
They don't leave room for doubt.
Early in the investigation they are not happy with LE when no progress is made.
They do anything asked of them.
They don't care what anyone else says about them. They only care for the missing, and what they maybe going through.
They pester Police.
The reach out for the missing in whatever format they can gain access to.
They make a plea to the public.
They scream it from the highest building.
They make a nuisance of themselves.

And, on and on it goes...

 

[Phil23]

Police can't be sure about what happened in the house the night before, say SR, VR and KR were in the house but there is no way of knowing for certain who did it when br and sr are backing each other and 3rd person is dead.

Some hard evidence is needed to convict and so far we don't have much, hence noone is charged yet

Police should have a wealth of data as to where everyone is/was from mobile phone data.

Just keeping that all under wraps for the time being until other gaps are filled.

 

[Armchair snoop]

Yes, there are people like this in Australia, snoop. Melanie Archer is one entomologist that I have heard about. She helps to solve crimes by helping determine how long a person has been deceased - through the study of insects.
And there are quite a handful of forensic scientists in all states who participate in similar activities, using soil samples and such.

Lots of links ... here are just a few:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-...pecialists-reveal-gritty-side-of-jobs/6681316
http://news.curtin.edu.au/stories/csi-curtin-researchers-helping-solve-crimes-chemistry/
http://www.adelaide.edu.au/adelaidean/issues/69723/news69743.html

Fascinating stuff, gives me more confidence that the cuffs will go on soon.

 

[Itsapuzzle]

I'm still curious as to why AR said KR was gonna leave the marriage when KR turned 21, and all this happened not long after that ...... and no sign of violence on KR does make me wonder about some pre-planning ..... food for thought, or maybe AR is just off his rocker, but very odd statement to make 🤔

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[SouthAussie]

I'm still curious as to why AR said KR was gonna leave the marriage when KR turned 21, and all this happened not long after that ...... and no sign of violence on KR does make me wonder about some pre-planning ..... food for thought, or maybe AR is just off his rocker, but very odd statement to make ��

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I think it is not so unusual for marriages to break up, once the children are non-dependent. You see it happen around you. It is sad but true. People can stay together for the 'sake of the children', keeping up appearances, portraying a united family unit, to give them the stability of having two parents at home. Then one day the children are out and about, not home, or rarely home ... and two strangers are looking at each other each day, thinking 'I don't love you any more'. And it all falls apart, to the surprise of many.

I think this could be the case here. Karen was moving and growing, busy with her work, expanding her life, assisting Samuel Johnson and his sister in their efforts to raise awareness about breast cancer ...... Borce was Uber driving.

Whether Karen disclosed this to Ant or not, who knows? But she may well have done so. And she may have told Sarah in the weeks prior to her disappearance. Hence the rumours of them 'not getting along' at that time. And she may well have told Borce on that day she went missing. imo

 

[SouthAussie]

Johnson's sister Connie, whose public fight with terminal cancer has been documented through the family-run charity foundation 'Love Your Sister', echoed her brothers sentiments.
'Sam and I are thinking of Karen’s family and praying for the safe return of this beautiful, gentle and loving woman,' she wrote online.

She said that when Johnson was unicycling across the country - in an attempt to break the Guinness World Record and raise money for breast cancer awareness - Ms Ristevski was a huge support.
'....... Karen kindly donated mastectomy-friendly frocks from her own designer range so I could feel good at all the fundraisers,' she shared to the foundations 300,000-strong 'village' of supporters online. 'We’ve laughed together, dressed and undressed together, and shared our highs and lows.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-Ristevski-return-home-police-fear-dead.html

 

[Itsapuzzle]

I think it is not so unusual for marriages to break up, once the children are non-dependent. You see it happen around you. It is sad but true. People can stay together for the 'sake of the children', keeping up appearances, portraying a united family unit, to give them the stability of having two parents at home. Then one day the children are out and about, not home, or rarely home ... and two strangers are looking at each other each day, thinking 'I don't love you any more'. And it all falls apart, to the surprise of many.

I think this could be the case here. Karen was moving and growing, busy with her work, expanding her life, assisting Samuel Johnson and his sister in their efforts to raise awareness about breast cancer ...... Borce was Uber driving.

Whether Karen disclosed this to Ant or not, who knows? But she may well have done so. And she may have told Sarah in the weeks prior to her disappearance. Hence the rumours of them 'not getting along' at that time. And she may well have told Borce on that day she went missing. imo

H'mm, SouthAussie, then we have a possible motive.


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[SouthAussie]

H'mm, SouthAussie, then we have a possible motive.


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Yes, in a culture (his) where the woman's greatest feat is meant to be "married".

What a blow to his ego, if Karen's intent to leave him was the case.
And how would he support his lifestyle?
What about the $1.1 million house that was in Karen's name only?
What about the shop Bella Bleu where Karen was sole shareholder?
Not to mention Karen's share of inheritance that had perhaps bailed her out of some immediate debt, and was continuing to assist with their lifestyle, or was tucked away safely for the future.
Could his Uber driving bring in the income to measure up to the lifestyle he was accustomed to?

 

[JLZ]

Just having a look at the photo of the fork in the tree where KRs body was found. It appears very clean and looks as if a few inches of soil has been removed. Obviously for forensics, I wonder if this will enable them to determine how long the body has been there??

I was also struck by the cleanliness if that's the word but I thought that soil had been added within the fork and possibly to one side. The cavity was shallower than I'd have expected.

 

[JLZ]

Could his Uber driving bring in the income to measure up to the lifestyle he was accustomed to?

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I very much doubt it. I've read Uber drivers complaining that it didn't cover their expenses, though to be fair I think they'd taken out a loan to buy their vehicle. Apparently (according to a previous poster) Borce said that he did it irregularly and for the satisfaction of getting people safely home. I wondered whether he used it as a pretext for getting away from home when it suited him without having to explain. As in, a possible mistress somewhere.

On the other side, it's my impression that couples who develop a business together have stronger than average marriages. I'd like to know just how much involvement BR had in the Bella Bleu business--how much of his time it occupied.

 

[sleepinoz]

Don't forget the other business he gained control over in March

Company documents show Ms Ristevski’s company, Warrant Brands, is one of a series of business ventures in which she and husband Borce Ristevski have been involved, which include failed plans to sell pecan nuts to China and to sell a line of clothing using the name of former tennis star Mark Philippoussis.
Paperwork declaring Mr Ristevski had taken over from his wife as the sole director of *Warrant Brands, which is linked to her Bella Bleu fashion label, was filed with the Australian Securities & Investments Commission in March.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...s/news-story/b1b9688adeee6dbd340e17d35eec2de6

 

[SouthAussie]

Don't forget the other business he gained control over in March

Company documents show Ms Ristevski’s company, Warrant Brands, is one of a series of business ventures in which she and husband Borce Ristevski have been involved, which include failed plans to sell pecan nuts to China and to sell a line of clothing using the name of former tennis star Mark Philippoussis.
Paperwork declaring Mr Ristevski had taken over from his wife as the sole director of *Warrant Brands, which is linked to her Bella Bleu fashion label, was filed with the Australian Securities & Investments Commission in March.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...s/news-story/b1b9688adeee6dbd340e17d35eec2de6

I also read that he was director of Bella Bleu ... but Karen was sole shareholder. I wonder if the same arrangement applied to Warrant Brands?

 

[Didi1201]

Yes, in a culture (his) where the woman's greatest feat is meant to be "married".

What a blow to his ego, if Karen's intent to leave him was the case.
And how would he support his lifestyle?
What about the $1.1 million house that was in Karen's name only?
What about the shop Bella Bleu where Karen was sole shareholder?
Not to mention Karen's share of inheritance that had perhaps bailed her out of some immediate debt, and was continuing to assist with their lifestyle, or was tucked away safely for the future.
Could his Uber driving bring in the income to measure up to the lifestyle he was accustomed to?

With married couples it makes no difference whether house is in her name only or joint or that she is the only shareholder in company, everything is split in half, even superannuation.

This is very common scenario in Australia , once kids grow up marriages break up and big chunk of those that stay together are probably cheating or dissatisfied, I know many of our family friends who are like that.
vr kr probably stopped having sex long time ago, then you got financial issues to add and you have relationship that is heading towards end.

Cops will know if she had secret lovers, not sure if they can read her whatsapp messages as they are encrypted, many people here use some kind of messaging apps instead of sms





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[they'll get you]

the most dangerous time in an abusive relationship is when the victim tries to leave — a phenomenon experts refer to as separation assault.

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[matey]

To put it in a nutshell, who would benefit most from Karen's death?
Who had the motive, means and opportunity to murder Karen?

On paper, BR "fits the bill" but if investigators had evidence that he was an alleged perpetrator, wouldn't they have charged him by now?
In reality the person who "fits the bill" on paper is not always ultimately found responsible for the alleged crime.

 

[purpleandgreen]

BBM. It depends what is in people's wills.

With married couples it makes no difference whether house is in her name only or joint or that she is the only shareholder in company, everything is split in half, even superannuation.

This is very common scenario in Australia , once kids grow up marriages break up and big chunk of those that stay together are probably cheating or dissatisfied, I know many of our family friends who are like that.
vr kr probably stopped having sex long time ago, then you got financial issues to add and you have relationship that is heading towards end.

Cops will know if she had secret lovers, not sure if they can read her whatsapp messages as they are encrypted, many people here use some kind of messaging apps instead of sms





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[sosocurious]

With married couples it makes no difference whether house is in her name only or joint or that she is the only shareholder in company, everything is split in half, even superannuation.

This is very common scenario in Australia , once kids grow up marriages break up and big chunk of those that stay together are probably cheating or dissatisfied, I know many of our family friends who are like that.
vr kr probably stopped having sex long time ago, then you got financial issues to add and you have relationship that is heading towards end.

Cops will know if she had secret lovers, not sure if they can read her whatsapp messages as they are encrypted, many people here use some kind of messaging apps instead of sms





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I agree Didi
Married couples no dependent children. The starting point 50/50
I guess businesses could make the break down a little more difficult.
With all assets and liabilities having to be disclosed including taxes.
I guess those owed would get their cut before any split of the money.

Secret lovers or not the split would be the same, wouldn't it?
imo

 

[Didi1201]

BBM. It depends what is in people's wills.

Wills? By law all possessions are divided 50:50 unless some sort of prenuptial​ agreement was signed but that scenario is unlikely, they have been together 20+ years.

Nobody has been charged in relation to KR murder, does it mean everyone in R family have their passports and can freely leave the country?



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