Found Deceased Australia - Karen Ristevski, 47, Melbourne, Vic, 29 June 2016 - #8

[Karinna]

It was missing but Police have not revealed if it has been located in any of the searches.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Didi1201]

Murderers are the same as you and me, subject to gravity, time, weather.. the earth goes round the sun for them the same as it does for me ... time doesn't speed up , or slow down just because you are killing someone.. the clock ticks on relentlessly, if it's winter, the days are short, if it's summer the nights are short, a murderer gets no special dispensation..

Working backwards from Karen's burial location. .. the science of geographical profiling comes into play.. this was a particular branch of criminal profiling entered into in the aftermath of the Yorkshire ripper killings.. invented by a scientist who was a former RAF navigator in the 2nd world war..

He had to get his plane to the target, and get it home, to base within a time frame, crossing degrees of longitude, and latitude, racing the sun home, and flying towards it on the way out, but always with the home base clock ticking on a inflexible path.

What has this to do with Karen, in particular? .. Every crime has a home base. That is, every criminal has a place he/she calls home, and it is from this home that he/she ventures out, commits the crime, and returns back to base.. Even if the crime is committed in the home base itself, rooms have to be navigated, but more importantly, time has to be managed and apportioned to each task that must be achieved..

It is reasonable to assume that Karen's location of burial had to be in proximity to the killer's. This killer was burdened by time problems. He/she cannot drive the body over to South Australia and leave it buried in the desert, or take it up to the Murray River and leave it between Mildura and Renmark, far , far away from any hint of the original leaving place, Avondale.

Time has compelled this killer to do the quickest run he/she can. That means highway travel, but even then, time relentlessly rolled on, and the time taken on the out trip has eaten into the time left for the return trip.. There is only so much time to get rid of the body ( evidence) . and the sun comes up on another day, as usual, the dawn doesn't delay to assist a killer. ..

Geographically, taking into account where Karen lived, and where her reasonably suspected killer lives, and how much time in the normal day is possible to maintain a façade AND bury a body as far away from the home , in the winter, and subconsciously travelling in a direction already well known * ( Son at Diggers Rest, Brother at Toolern Vale, and in a time of stress one clings to the familiar )Mt Macedon is just about right on the money.

Brother VR lives in Hoppers Crossing, where was VRs phone pinging around 29th?

Can police get telco to provide contents of all calls/messages on KRs phone? I dont know if Australian telcos are required by law to keep records?


Sent from my HTC_M10h using Tapatalk

 

[Karinna]

No, it's my invention as a possible explanation of her staying the night at Diggers Rest, and seemed to chime with AR calling her a soulmate. But substitute a few drinks if you find it less offensive.

I'm sorry but i don't believe anything his delusional brain spews forth.
And also i don't drink LOL.

 

[Amalgam]

I just find it repugnant that people would assume KR was having an affair with AR who is a self confessed Ice addict. I doubt very much that KR would stoop to that level from what her friends and family have said about her. JMO

AR claimed the affair happened well over 15 years ago. He wasn't an ice addicted maniac then. By his own claims he was a pot head and he did verbally attack Borce over ignoring his pot abuse whilst living under his abuse, but the ice is more recent. An ex-acquaintance of AR has stated here that AR was against drugs when his peers at the time were partaking.

It has also been stated here that rumours of AR being molested by Karen were circulating amongst his social circle many years ago - this isn't something suddenly invented after Karen's death.

Taking all of that at face value (perhaps foolishly) It seems his decent into canbabis abuse & the alleged incest occurred at around the same time.

IF (and that is a big if) it happened, then AR's drug addled lifestyle these days could well be a symptom of such abuse.

As I see it, AR's being a self confessed ice addict could be a result of incest, or his invention of and lies about incest are just a product of his screwed up state. I lean towards the latter, but cannot discount the former.

 

[Armchair snoop]

Brother VR lives in Hoppers Crossing, where was VRs phone pinging around 29th?

Can police get telco to provide contents of all calls/messages on KRs phone? I dont know if Australian telcos are required by law to keep records?


Sent from my HTC_M10h using Tapatalk

In October 2015 the metadata retention scheme was launched. If you google it you can get the info.

 

[Karinna]

Drug addicts are sleazy no matter what substance they abuse IMO. They are participating in illegal activities. You can't trust them either because they lie and steal to support their habits, and some even get into distribution. And that is just my opinion having known of a few in my time, who completely screwed up their lives and whose family disown them because that was their best option.

 

[Amalgam]

Brother VR lives in Hoppers Crossing, where was VRs phone pinging around 29th?

Can police get telco to provide contents of all calls/messages on KRs phone? I dont know if Australian telcos are required by law to keep records?


Sent from my HTC_M10h using Tapatalk

There has been no disclosure of pings for Vasko's phone.

Records of all incoming and outgoing calls will exist (but not recordings of the calls, unless the phone was already bugged for some reason), and the content of all incoming and outgoing text messages will also be available to law enforcement. Phone pings will also be available. I'm sure all of this has been well scrutinised.

 

[JLZ]

AR claimed the affair happened well over 15 years ago. He wasn't an ice addicted maniac then. By his own claims he was a pot head and he did verbally attack Borce over ignoring his pot abuse whilst living under his abuse, but the ice is more recent. An ex-acquaintance of AR has stated here that AR was against drugs when his peers at the time were partaking.

It has also been stated here that rumours of AR being molested by Karen were circulating amongst his social circle many years ago - this isn't something suddenly invented after Karen's death.

Taking all of that at face value (perhaps foolishly) It seems his decent into canbabis abuse & the alleged incest occurred at around the same time.

IF (and that is a big if) it happened, then AR's drug addled lifestyle these days could well be a symptom of such abuse.

As I see it, AR's being a self confessed ice addict could be a result of incest, or his invention of and lies about incest are just a product of his screwed up state. I lean towards the latter, but cannot discount the former.

For all we know AR was traumatized before he came to Borce and Karen. Indeed from the little I've seen he seems more resentful of Borce's desertion of his mother and himself than of Karen's alleged violations.

 

[Didi1201]

So BR was proactive and asked neighbors for cctv footages to determine which way she went.
I had a look at google maps street view and there seems to be no house build at number 21 oakley dr, next to R house, she could have gone that way, remember there is park and river right behind.
Unless map is outdated and house was there at the time.

Sent from my HTC_M10h using Tapatalk

 

[sosocurious]

AR claimed the affair happened well over 15 years ago. He wasn't an ice addicted maniac then. By his own claims he was a pot head and he did verbally attack Borce over ignoring his pot abuse whilst living under his abuse, but the ice is more recent. An ex-acquaintance of AR has stated here that AR was against drugs when his peers at the time were partaking.

It has also been stated here that rumours of AR being molested by Karen were circulating amongst his social circle many years ago - this isn't something suddenly invented after Karen's death.

Taking all of that at face value (perhaps foolishly) It seems his decent into canbabis abuse & the alleged incest occurred at around the same time.

IF (and that is a big if) it happened, then AR's drug addled lifestyle these days could well be a symptom of such abuse.

As I see it, AR's being a self confessed ice addict could be a result of incest, or his invention of and lies about incest are just a product of his screwed up state. I lean towards the latter, but cannot discount the former.

Wasn't it said that AR's mother kicked him out.
He then went to live with his Borce and Karen.
I wonder why his mum kicked him out???
That was 15 years ago, right?
I wonder how long he remained at his fathers home?

 

[Amalgam]

In October 2015 the metadata retention scheme was launched. If you google it you can get the info.

That may be when such data retention was mandated by law, but mobile phone data pertaining to incoming and outgoing phonecalls, as well as for text messages (their content included) has been retained by telcos for a long time before then. I think the same applies to pings.

Retention of metadata post October 2015 might mean there is other juicy information the police will have had access to, though.

 

[Amalgam]

For all we know AR was traumatized before he came to Borce and Karen. Indeed from the little I've seen he seems more resentful of Borce's desertion of his mother and himself than of Karen's alleged violations.

I agree, but I am loathe to unilaterally write of his allegation of incest, and don't think his drug addled state can be used to cast aspersions, when it might be a result of what he alleges. I do lean towards thinking he invented the incest, but I cannot totally dismiss his allegation.

 

[Karinna]

Wasn't it said that AR's mother kicked him out.
He then went to live with his Borce and Karen.
I wonder why his mum kicked him out???
That was 15 years ago, right?
I wonder how long he remained at his fathers home?

Yes we don't know why that was but can only imagine. There comes a time in an adults life where they have to take responsiblity for their own lives and be accountable for their own actions. As adults we all have choices, and there comes a time in life where as an adult its time to stop blaming others, their parents etc. and stand on their own two feet. It seems to me AR was given help with his problems but he only has himself to blame for who he is today. IMO.

 

[suzyjackson]

With all due respect I can honestly say that the shoes were probably a little red flag. Whereby BR was able to mention the Coach bag together with the amount of cash in her wallet, detail the clothing and not footwear. Or maybe her footwear were at the front door and slipped into them when she went for a walk......again after so many years of marriage you would have a good idea.....no uncertainties. Twenty to twenty three years is a fine palette to someones behaviour.

If BR was involved then IMO the obvious thing to do about the shoes would be, once asked by the police about them, to remove a pair that Karen routinely wore and describe those ones. If SR later checked the shoes she would confirm that the particular pair were missing and their description woould be added to the bag etc.

It is a little puzzling that no shoes have ever been mentioned

 

[Adrianna]

Karen might have gone to visit AR and he offered her a joint. But maybe he laced it with something and she died. Or, maybe he spiked her drink and then killed her. I'm not saying Karen is a junkie.

In my humble opinion, I think AR would be one of the last people she would have gone to socialise with. Sadly she is not here to defend herself and it doesnt sit well with me, that we speak of her as having a joint she may have been offered.

 

[Amalgam]

Wasn't it said that AR's mother kicked him out.
He then went to live with his Borce and Karen.
I wonder why his mum kicked him out???
That was 15 years ago, right?
I wonder how long he remained at his fathers home?

I don't remember whether it was said that his mother kicked him out or not.

It was more than 15 years ago. It was stated here by an acquaintance that the rumours of invest were circulating 15 years ago, but AR claims it happened when he was 15 years old. I think he is 34 years old now.

 

[Karinna]

I agree, but I am loathe to unilaterally write of his allegation of incest, and don't think his drug addled state can be used to cast aspersions, when it might be a result of what he alleges. I do lean towards thinking he invented the incest, but I cannot totally dismiss his allegation.

BR & KR put him through rehab. He has two choices to rise above with help and make something of himself, or to die a drug addict and keep living a life of self destruction. There are no other options i can see. He is no longer a teenager.

 

[suzyjackson]

So BR was proactive and asked neighbors for cctv footages to determine which way she went.
I had a look at google maps street view and there seems to be no house build at number 21 oakley dr, next to R house, she could have gone that way, remember there is park and river right behind.
Unless map is outdated and house was there at the time.

Sent from my HTC_M10h using Tapatalk

IMO asking about the CCTV would be a shrewd move by someone who knows there wouldn't be any footage of KR. It gives the outward appearance of looking for her with no risk of anything incriminating showing up and can be reported back to the police as evidence of being worried about her

JMO

 

[Karinna]

In my humble opinion, I think AR would be one of the last people she would have gone to socialise with. Sadly she is not here to defend herself and it doesnt sit well with me, that we speak of her as having a joint she may have been offered.

I agree Adrianna, i find it disgusting personally.

 

[suzyjackson]

In my humble opinion, I think AR would be one of the last people she would have gone to socialise with. Sadly she is not here to defend herself and it doesnt sit well with me, that we speak of her as having a joint she may have been offered.

I agree, I think it's totally unlikley that she went there, apart from anything else there's most probably be a phone ping trail.