GUILTY Australia - Lisa Harnum, 30, killed in 15-storey fall, Sydney, 30 July 2011 #3

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Fuskier said:
I'm disappointed that the Court permitted, via the Defense, a strategy of invalidating any claims of abuse or controlling behaviour towards his victim by showcasing his current relationship & allowing a 'loud voice' from his current girlfriend in his own best interests.

This new relationship commenced after the murder. IMO the murderer knew what he had done to his victim - before he commenced this new relationship. Once charged with her murder, he knew a court case would eventuate and it would be in his best interests to show the Court that there is no abuse or controlling behavour in his new relationship.

The fact remains this had nothing to do with the murderer's relationship with the victim.

Lisa Harnum was unloaded over the balcony of the 15th floor to her certain death by the murderer. He was convicted of her murder.

RL's loud voice and dominant presence should not be allowed to overshadow Lisa's tragic murder or the wishes of Joan Harnum and family.
There appears to be no empathy for the tragic loss of life of Lisa Harnum IMO. There appears to be no remorse. Her interests appear to be as a 'loud' mouthpiece for the murderer.

There seems to be a disrespect for the Justice system and the authority of the Judge in the 'social culture' surrounding this murderer which is concerning.

Disturbing IMHO. :twocents:
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I am so totally with you on this Fuskier.
There are a couple of things:
I am not 100% convinced this relationship commenced after Lisa's death.
("Mrs Welcome said her daughter met Gittany about five years ago" Report dated Nov 2013. Means RL and SG met about 2008, well before Lisa's untimely demise. Relationship type arrangement is anybody's speculation.)

Secondly, the POI has a history, including violence, drugs, thumbing the Law, and, ear biting off, and a master of manipulation.

His current relationship IMHO has absolutely NO bearing on his relationship with Lisa.

Moreover, I view all this (outward appearance of a relationship) as a PLOY, (and nothing more) to extricate him from a rather sticky situation; that being incarceration.

As stupid as RL and her family appear to be; none of this should be showcased for all and sundry to know about.
Clearly RL has some attributes; 36, (half exposed) 24, 36, has neat legs, she supports the tobacco industry, can speak English, and has done what looks like pornographic photo shoots, etc;
RL claims to have stripped in Las Vegas, tongue kissed Woody Harrelson in New York and accepted diamond necklaces from strangers who took her to dinner: and then she dated Simon Gittany.
"Anytime I went out, being a female, it's pretty much paid for ... And being attractive has its advantages."
Ummm That's RL's own words. That ought have no bearing on Simon Gittany's current predicament.

As we are reminded it is not RL on trial here.
However we have been accidentally educated as to RL's modus operandi.

That she is ordered what to do and how to act by a manipulative, self preserving, narcissist, ear eating criminal is inconsequential here.

What IS of consequence is that the POI has Gas Lighted Lisa Harnom successfully and killed her, either in a fit of rage or not; either which way the end result was her death. Be it low medium or high range (I find those gauges deeply insultingly questionable)

IMO There should be a PENALTY for that action.
 
I'd like to introduce you all to an old friend ;)

Section 21A of the Crimes (Sentencing and Procedure) Act denotes factors that the Court must take into account when sentencing an offender. It details a whole gamut of "aggravating" factors (ie elements of the crime that worsens the objective seriousness of the offending act) and "mitigating" factors (ie predominantly subjective elements of the offending) that the Court addresses on sentencing. See it here
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/cpa1999278/s21a.html

Her Honour must address each item and analyse whether it applies to the facts of the case, and namely, what the Court has accepted as occurring or not occurring during the commission of the offence.

So, lets have a go at discussing which factors Her Honour will apply on Tuesday.

Sadly, for Gittany, it appears that there may be diddly squat in his favour for mitigation. He didn't plead guilty, doesn't admit the offence, therefore is unable to show contrition and rehabilitate accordingly. Dear oh dear, oh dear.
 
madamehdivision said:
I'd like to introduce you all to an old friend ;)
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Her Honour must address each item and analyse whether it applies to the facts of the case, and namely, what the Court has accepted as occurring or not occurring during the commission of the offence.

So, lets have a go at discussing which factors Her Honour will apply on Tuesday.

Sadly, for Gittany, it appears that there may be diddly squat in his favour for mitigation. He didn't plead guilty, doesn't admit the offence, therefore is unable to show contrition and rehabilitate accordingly. Dear oh dear, oh dear.
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As a mitigating factor in his sentencing , Gittany's choice to bung Rachel up as a good character reference was sadly misguided. She had all the insight of a talking Snickers Bar , didn't quite seem to grasp what was required of a character reference at all. Her perspective of Simon ('amazing" ) was more a window into her character rather than his.

Something odd about a bloke of 40 having no one else but a 24 yr old unemployed recent girlfriend to speak for him.. Where are the men he worked with? from his community?? his church?? ( he emphasized his fear of God ) played sports with, business partners , peers, etc? his sister didn't do much better. it was unfortunate that she used the phrase 'look at him, that's not him'.. which would make the judge wonder if she had identification problems.

As an aggravating factor, I thought it was rather neat that Tedeschi slipped in the danger Simon put every one in the vicinity of his triumphant offloading of Lisa's body. People in the café underneath, pedestrians, etc.. it was a masterful stroke, and a perfectly legitimate one too.
 
I think the defence has also tried to claim leniency on the basis that the media coverage has been punitive in its own right. I hope that is well and truly ignored as an argument.


Seeing Wood's name on a placard yesterday has me thinking his little walk past on verdict day may have been less coincidental than otherwise thought.

I still don't understand the whole protest at this late stage of the game. I also don't understand some of the statements they were using to illuminate his innocence!!! The handbag for example - for me, that was very very damning. That doesn't coexist with suicide by any stretch.

I don't think there will be any discounts - beyond time already served. The real question will be where in regards to the seriousness of the case of murder the judge finds the crime lies.

And that will be where the basis of appeal will try to attack I think. I don't think he would have a chance with overturning the judgement.
 
The media interest was solely due to the fact that it was a judge only trial..Gittany's choice. If it had been a judge and jury trial all sorts of press limits would have been instigated. He can hardly complain about it.. because there was no jury to influence, there was a lot of leeway.

I laughed a bit, too, Icu.. all those placards were stuff their $289,000.00 barristers should have chased down.

Gordon Woods little cameo appearance now has a lot more significance that it did at the time , I agree.

no I cant see any mitigating factors.. certainly no less than 20 years, that's the standard in NSW for murder. no parole.
 
icu nurse said:
I think the defence has also tried to claim leniency on the basis that the media coverage has been punitive in its own right. I hope that is well and truly ignored as an argument.


Seeing Wood's name on a placard yesterday has me thinking his little walk past on verdict day may have been less coincidental than otherwise thought.

I still don't understand the whole protest at this late stage of the game. I also don't understand some of the statements they were using to illuminate his innocence!!! The handbag for example - for me, that was very very damning. That doesn't coexist with suicide by any stretch.

I don't think there will be any discounts - beyond time already served. The real question will be where in regards to the seriousness of the case of murder the judge finds the crime lies.

And that will be where the basis of appeal will try to attack I think. I don't think he would have a chance with overturning the judgement.
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No disrespect meant for yourself ICU Nurse:
But understanding the protest together with their placards, together with lack of any manner of empathy, sympathy, even understanding for Lisa Harnum's death, maybe outside a normal persons thinking.
This Ruse may be simply and no more than a reflection upon Stupidity, and Ignorance along with general Derision towards Law and Decency evidenced by perpetrators of same. All in unadulterated baseness.
Any normal person would see this theatrical performance for what it is. A mere pantomime. A deadly pantomime nevertheless. A pantomime that has no consideration (or insight) for a murdered person.
 
Trooper said:
As a mitigating factor in his sentencing , Gittany's choice to bung Rachel up as a good character reference was sadly misguided. She had all the insight of a talking Snickers Bar , didn't quite seem to grasp what was required of a character reference at all. Her perspective of Simon ('amazing" ) was more a window into her character rather than his.

Something odd about a bloke of 40 having no one else but a 24 yr old unemployed recent girlfriend to speak for him.. Where are the men he worked with? from his community?? his church?? ( he emphasized his fear of God ) played sports with, business partners , peers, etc? his sister didn't do much better. it was unfortunate that she used the phrase 'look at him, that's not him'.. which would make the judge wonder if she had identification problems.

As an aggravating factor, I thought it was rather neat that Tedeschi slipped in the danger Simon put every one in the vicinity of his triumphant offloading of Lisa's body. People in the café underneath, pedestrians, etc.. it was a masterful stroke, and a perfectly legitimate one too.
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Being a suspicious person in this case, and viewing RL (and SG) as fellow narcissists, I can only guess that she must have already been given some financial incentive (or a promise of financial gain in the future) to be his girlfriend and to support him as she has been doing (even suggested by his lawyers re the placards) because I do not believe that RL is the type of girl that could give any man unconditional love without the promise of some sort of financial gain (if you have read about her past exploits). Otherwise, it does not make sense - unless she has serious mental problems or he has been feeding her possible drug addiction.
 
Trooper said:
The media interest was solely due to the fact that it was a judge only trial..Gittany's choice. If it had been a judge and jury trial all sorts of press limits would have been instigated. He can hardly complain about it.. because there was no jury to influence, there was a lot of leeway.

I laughed a bit, too, Icu.. all those placards were stuff their $289,000.00 barristers should have chased down.

Gordon Woods little cameo appearance now has a lot more significance that it did at the time , I agree.
no I cant see any mitigating factors.. certainly no less than 20 years, that's the standard in NSW for murder. no parole.
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BBM I cannot help but to wonder whether Gordon Woods' cameo appearance was organised in advance by RL (or if it was of his own volition)? It seems to be unlikely otherwise.
 
Estelle said:
BBM I cannot help but to wonder whether Gordon Woods' cameo appearance was organised in advance by RL (or if it was of his own volition)? It seems to be unlikely otherwise.
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Maybe Gordon was lonely...colleagues of mine say they see him pedaling around Sydney all forlorn and aimless.. perhaps.. like a homing pigeon he wanted to be close to another bloke who chucked his girlfriend from a great height... its ( hopefully ) a rather unique membership.

come to think on it... wasn't Gordon a bit of a gym freak too?? perhaps a former :sick::sick::sick:customer of Gittany and his 'health supplement high achiever pills??'
 
Excellent coverage by you guys today *round of applause and a standing ovation*

I wasn't able to get here but have started ploughing through the 400 odd threads... some of the things you guys got up to while the tweets were being fed in deserve to go viral - the placard Makara is a masterpiece!
And some great sleuth comments and keeping the focus on Lisa - Great job everyone.
I'll be here on the 11th - wouldn't miss it.

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Estelle said:
BBM I cannot help but to wonder whether Gordon Woods' cameo appearance was organised in advance by RL (or if it was of his own volition)? It seems to be unlikely otherwise.
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Is there a statistician on board :lookingitup:

- what are the odds of the one and only Gordon Wood having a 'random' hairdressers appointment near the Courthouse - arriving in time to be recognized by the media - in a case which mirrors his own - on the same day as Simon Gittany?

A gazillion to one? I must be close.



and I cant resist another post of this....

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Fuskier said:
There seems to be a disrespect for the Justice system and the authority of the Judge in the 'social culture' surrounding this murderer which is concerning.

Disturbing IMHO. :twocents:
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RSBM

I’m sorry, but I’m going to say it …. their behaviour is very low-class IMO (and disturbing!). If you feel an injustice has been done, you quietly take it to the highest level that you can for redress. You act with some class – you may gather more supporters that way – well, ones with any power and influence anyway.


Roll on Tuesday :waiting:

(I actually think that is pretty soon for a Justice who is meticulous in carefully documenting the reasons for her judgements. Although she has probably done a lot of prep work already, I think someone will be burning the midnight candle this weekend.)
 
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ancee-lisa-harnum/story-fni0cx12-122681938662

Simon Gittany facing 20 years' jail for the 'cold and calculating' murder of fiancee Lisa Harnum
AMY DALE THE DAILY TELEGRAPH FEBRUARY 07, 2014 12:00AM

BALCONY killer Simon Gittany could spend 20 years in jail for the "cold and calculating" murder of his fiancee - a killing he almost successfully portrayed as suicide, his sentencing was told yesterday...

"Were it not for the observations of (witness) Joshua Rathmell and were it not for the pinhole camera which captured the offender dragging the deceased back inside … it was a cold and calculating way of killing her in a manner which would have enabled him to pass it off as suicide," Mr Tedeschi said...
 
SouthAussie said:
RSBM

I’m sorry, but I’m going to say it …. their behaviour is very low-class IMO (and disturbing!). If you feel an injustice has been done, you quietly take it to the highest level that you can for redress. You act with some class – you may gather more supporters that way – well, ones with any power and influence anyway.


Roll on Tuesday :waiting:

(I actually think that is pretty soon for a Justice who is meticulous in carefully documenting the reasons for her judgements. Although she has probably done a lot of prep work already, I think someone will be burning the midnight candle this weekend.)
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Lest we become besotted with this campaign trying to portray SG as a lovely family man, best boyfriend, priest material, as nauseam:

His true character is somewhat different. His family also referred to in this report.


SIMON Gittany, the man infamously convicted of throwing his fiancee from a Sydney high-rise balcony, bit off part of a policeman's ear while being arrested in 1994, records show.

Gittany, 40, pleaded not guilty to murdering his fiancee Lisa Cecilia Harnum by throwing her off their inner-city balcony on July 30, 2011.

He was convicted in a Sydney Supreme Court on Wednesday of killing her and will be sentenced next year.

Often unemployed and living at a Merrylands home with his mother, Gittany was in sight of Sydney police back in 1993.

Court documents reveal he attacked a police officer who went to his family home to arrest him over stolen goods.

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http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/gittany-bit-policemans-ear-20131128-2yayt.html
 
SouthAussie said:
Hmmmmm ...... will be interesting to hear the 'explosive news' advertised to be in the interview on Sunday night.
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What a huge twist in timing, that show was to be on AFTER the sentencing trial. In the preview I heard Mrs Harnum reading out 'explosive text messages' & Lisa telling not to send her text messages because they are being read by him & how he had two personalities. The reporter also that RL was an impressive woman with a mature head on her shoulders. I'm intrigued with this timing turnaround.
 
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