Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #6

[Deleted member 249471]

Perhaps the investigators were able to link the phone number in the ad to RB. During the inquest, they mentioned they believed RB had a cell phone and asked the women if they saw him with a phone (all said no). The ad was in 1994. Maybe he stopped using phone at some point.

For sure! I believe the phone number must've given something away once the police started properly investigating after 2019.

This is the contact given in the 1994 ad: M.F. Remakel, Box L51, Lennox Head, NSW 2478. Tel (066) 864 788.

(066) xx xxxx is the former phone number format. It changed to (02) 66xx xxxx format on 18 August 1997.

Although the PO BOX is listed as Lennox Head, the phone code specifically covers Ballina (including Lennox Head), Casino, Coffs Harbour, Grafton, Lismore, Murwillumbah.

Ballina seems important given the inquest is being held there now and it's where his family was located then.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

On his Arrivals card when he first arrived in Australia, his handwriting is different. No circles above the "I"s. Would be interesting to compare the two side by side.

Yes not always on WW name but is it on Belgium?

I don't understand what you are asking? Please explain.

the word Belgium does the ‘I’ have the circle? You mentioned no circle on the WW passenger card. So asking if it was on the Belgium sorry for not explaining properly

 

[Itsapuzzle]

Had a look on google maps and it looks like there’s a path at the side of the house but I can’t see a laneway as such Google Maps

I haven't seen a pic of the exterior of Marion's house back in '97, maybe that front fence is an addition over the years. H'mm, would be curious to know.

 

[KiwiNZ]

My thoughts when they did say that was that there was someone/someones by the Remakel name prior to that.

I will try and find it, it was in the podcast as a statement from the police, I believe, it was said a few times - they gave a date and then said no trace of that name in Australia since that date ... I was always thinking well what about before then lol

 

[Estelle]

Yes not always on WW name but is it on Belgium?
the word Belgium does the ‘I’ have the circle? You mentioned no circle on the WW passenger card. So asking if it was on the Belgium sorry for not explaining properly

I don't remember seeing it there but don't have access to it now.

 

[centred]

The way I understand it. The Remakel name was used to obtain a QLD driver's licence. He probably pretended he had never had one before and did the driving test again.

We must remember what WW ? does for a living .....a license was a breeze ..

 

[Estelle]

I will try and find it, it was in the podcast as a statement from the police, I believe, it was said a few times - they gave a date and then said no trace of that name in Australia since that date ... I was always thinking well what about before then lol

Do you know the date that this licence was issued please?

 

[Estelle]

We must remember what WW ? does for a living .....a license was a breeze ..

So he faked one?

 

[centred]

confused by prison/travel timeline:

1976-06 Willy Wouters false impersonation, Paris, 1 year sentence

But during next year (1 year sentence he…)

1976-07-28 FD and Dianne depart Australia
1976-09-30 to 1977-01-24 Willy Wouters financial frauds in Brugges, Brussels and several other towns (3)
1977-03-17 FD and Dianne return to Australia

Also,

1978-03 Willy Wouters Tournai forgery 3 or 5 years prison (3)

BUT during 3-5 year sentence he died this…

1978-08-13 FD and Dianne return to Australia from Belgium, address 5/48 Towns Road, Vaucluse, Sydney
1979-04-02 FD and Dianne child 1 born in Sydney

This has been bugging me too ..

 

[Itsapuzzle]

I wonder if this is why in Sally's recollection she mentions that one of the tellers seemed to know something about Marion but was shifty about it (I can't remember exactly what she said). If they knew that Marion had changed her name and weren't allowed to divulge that information maybe that rattled them.

H'mm, that's just become a little bit more interesting now that we know RB was banking with the Commonwealth Bank - it turned out Marion was with the Colonial State Bank, but h'mm, RB was with Commonwealth. Completely interesting now.

 

[Estelle]

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[Deleted member 249471]

Regarding the laneway at Marion's house... Sally said there is a path that leads from the street to the side of the house where the front door is located. You enter at the middle. RB called it a laneway. You could also call it a lane, path, sidewalk, footpath, driveway or any other name.

It seems RB is claiming he'd been to Marion's house and the inquest was simply verifying it. Was he really there or could he have heard it on the podcast?

A bigger mystery is why he would admit to being at Marion's? Is this why he is also admitting to storing her boxes? Have they found some of her belongings at his house? Uh oh.

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

I don't remember seeing it there but don't have access to it now.

Note it’s not on Willy but is on Belgium this is from 1969

 

[Estelle]

De Hedervary Frederick( RENOV PUBS ), BE0858473358, Financiële informatie - Infobel België - Telefoongids

This was created in 1968 the year before he visited Australia for a three month holiday. He lists three of his aliases as if there are three men doing it. Did he set this up so that Australian authorities would accept his application for resident status? Had he chosen these names back then?

Financial information
Registered officeRue des Francs 46 1040 Brussels BRUSSELS-CAPITAL
Date of creation 01/10/1968
VATBE0858473358
Fiscal year
Administrators
Frederick De Hedervary
Willy David-coppenolle
Ric Blum
Nacebel classificationDesigning and conducting advertising and promotional campaigns for others through the various media
Other linksPublications in the Belgian Official GazettePublications annual accounts NBBEmployer Directory

 

[Estelle]

Note it’s not on Willy but is on Belgium this is from 1969

Yes there it is!

 

[KiwiNZ]

Do you know the date that this licence was issued please?

No they just said the license was issued long before Marion went missing ... no date was given, they either said long before or well before ... was the wording they used

Think it was on day one of the inquest in the opening statement when they talked of RB

 

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so strange that they advertise lol

do you think that's how he got the W/Bury and RR passport

I kind of felt like they didn't know about the RR name that JO mentioned, you would have thought it would have come up in her interview but I felt like the lawyer was a little taken back

 

[centred]

I am considering taking stock as I am finding we know the fraudster has a pattern and a certain MO

As much as i love going down rabbit holes and its fascinating mystery and we love a mystery to be solved . A mini series or another epic novel would be worthy fodder i guess.

I was reminded today that this is about MB and what happened to her .

So I am going back to tin tacks to try to get a better idea what went down after MB changed her name with intent to go on a trip .

I don't know if she was married before she left or married on the trip but her card does say she is and a house wife , she intended to stay at a certain hotel and stay for a short amount of time and then return overseas .
We know MB knew the person she was to marry was FNR

We know her funds were drained and accounts closed and where that was done .
We do not know anything about her since .

Now his MO

He left the country a few days before her
He flew back as Richard L Westbury a few days before her

His MO usually involves him coming back as someone else to do certain things and set up
the next step .....obviously when the sting is done the victim does not know who or where to find the stinger and on he goes as Rich West and various abbreviations of that name at least until and up too the last witness ...

The problem i have is we know what happened when things did not go plan as with our 2 witnesses but we do not know what happens when it is a success .

So I thought on this and wonder if the ones that went right and worked for him he kept
in his life and juggled those few between trips and may still do with some .

So is it possible Marion is still alive somewhere because he managed to forge and fake a life for them and she was just another wife so to speak , of course there is the possibility she did pass away under a new identity at some stage .

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

Omg I’ve just realised the two obvious search results for DH surnames on google are the children of man of many names snd wife #2.. didn’t click on the ‘other file’ in NAA until now.

 

[KiwiNZ]

So I thought on this and wonder if the ones that went right and worked for him he kept
in his life and juggled those few between trips and may still do with some .

So is it possible Marion is still alive somewhere because he managed to forge and fake a life for them and she was just another wife so to speak , of course there is the possibility she did pass away under a new identity at some stage .

Good point DW doesn't seem to mind he is gone for long periods of times or away for a few nights so it seems.

he could be juggling many wives, I doubt it, but it is possible.