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Timeline of Victims we know of so far - Apologies if spelling of surnames are incorrect - there are certainly some patterns forming!!!!

*Stated on MBFB page: with all of the other ladies, he got them to withdraw the cash funds from their bank accounts themselves then hand over to him - He has scammed women in Amsterdam, Germany, Yugoslavia, Italy and France*


1960 / 1961 ? – Jeanine LeRoy - Born in Lille?? - married - 2 children ( possibly 3) - divorced - still alive - family knew him


1964? – Nicole Renaud born in Lille– married for weeks/ months - still married to her when he married IK - family knew him
* 1964 - Claims he left Tournai and went to work as a photographer in Brussels
* Note of car accident Jan 1965 causing injury to wife of WW in Brussels- is this the charge of involuntary injury on April 1965 he has on his documents? / 1974 - NR death in Lille - the same yr he gets out of prison in Lille


1969 - married – Ilona Kinczel - family knew him - Nicole R warns IK of him - her death Melbourne 1977
*death of her mother and her brother - 1977 - Belgium
*1977 - November - An extraordinary meeting held in Knokke-Heist General Hospital, Belgium Frederick DeHedervary resigned from the European Furniture Factory


1976 February - Diane Walker - victim? accomplice? - family knew him -
married Wayside Chapel Sydney - 1 x son born APRIL 1979 and 1 x daughter born Luxembourg April 1981


Late 1970's / early 80's - Monique Cornelius - affair -
she claims the affair ended when she overheard him talking in the phone booth at airport when she picked him up and realised he was married - DdeH and son fly back into Aust for 3 months January 1981 and back out again in time for MdeH birth in April 1981 - and Monique claims she was looking after 'a little boy that looked just like him" at one point and "Eric" was still writing to her in August 1981

1980's -


1990 - ?

1991- ?

1992 _?

1993 - ?

1994 - ? FR advert placed

1995 -?

1996 -?

1997 – Feb - Marion Barter = FAMILY DIDNT KNOW HIM - ONLY ONE SO FAR TO HAVE CHANGED THEIR NAME WITH A PASSPORT TO MATCH (using Initials of someone both he and Monique knew)


1998 - Ginette Gaffney Bowen - met AH through her Lonely Hearts Advert -he suggested they start a coin trading business together and for her to sell her Sydney house and he buy an apartment in Paris - blackmailed her with nude photos he took of her - ran a child care from her home - possible sightings of AH ?

1999 - Janet Oldenburgh - relative knew him - met him in 1996 through her ex-husband coin collecting in Ballina with their mutual friend Barry Cooper & reconnected 1999 when she was going through divorce - He gave her a job going through his emails and correspond with his coin clients, made her bid at auctions in place of him.

1999 - AH testifies he spend 1 night in Belgium with his brother

2000's -

* Date unknown - over 2 decades ago according to newspapers = After reacquainting with E.Reid, AH talks about a Melbourne woman that he had recently robbed & giving a fake mobile number

2000 - ?

2001- ?

2002 - “LINDA” -SINGLE – Sydney RSVP dating - French business man –named Bernard Dupont - it looked like a younger version of AKA – she didn't respond to it as thought it was a scam

2003 - ?

2004- ?

2005 - Rosemary Zillig - relative knew him

2006 – Ghislaine Dubois-Danlois - places Lonely Hearts advert in paper - relatives knew him

2007 - ?

2008- ?

2009 - ?

2010 - Andree Flamme - relative knew him

2011 -

2012 - CL – relative knew him

2013 - 2020's -

So far that is at least 1 a year on average

* "family knew him" - at least one member of the victims family knew of AH
 
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VisitorDog said:
Thanks everyone, I think what I’m trying to figure out is while we’ve seen the passenger card images, do the police have access to other immigration records - eg that get recorded at the time of the passport check with customs. I’m only thinking of the UK but remember back then that it was sometimes more of a wave through if you had a British passport. Not always somebody typing or scanning anything.
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KiwiNZ said:
he seems to like the Amsterdam airport and the baggage storage, maybe he wanted Marions baggage there, had a mate who would take care of his victims baggage. Possible she returned with only enough clothes for 8 days, would pick up baggage on their return or so the story went
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He certainly does appear to avoid Belgium’s airports. There are at least 3 airports in Belgium that serve Tournai. Alternatively he could go to Lille Lesquin airport (30 mins away from Tournai) but he might get bashed there.

Perhaps he doesn’t like getting those down their nose dirty looks from border officials in Belgium as he is such a poor & crippled pensioner. It’s humiliating. Better to go to Amsterdam and get the train and sneak into Belgium that way.
 
mishy66 said:
Timeline of Victims we know of so far - Apologies if spelling of surnames are incorrect - there are certainly some patterns forming!!!!

*Stated on MBFB page: with all of the other ladies, he got them to withdraw the cash funds from their bank accounts themselves then hand over to him - He has scammed women in Amsterdam, Germany, Yugoslavia, Italy and France*


1960 / 1961 ? – Jeanine LeRoy - Born in Lille?? - married - 2 children ( possibly 3) - divorced - still alive - family knew him


1964? – Nicole Renaud born in Lille– married for weeks/ months - still married to her when he married IK - family knew him
* 1964 - Claims he left Tournai and went to work as a photographer in Brussels
* Note of car accident Jan 1965 causing injury to wife of WW in Brussels- is this the charge of involuntary injury on April 1965 he has on his documents? / 1974 - NR death in Lille - the same yr he gets out of prison in Lille


1969 - married – Ilona Kinczel - family knew him - Nicole R warns IK of him - her death Melbourne 1977
*death of her mother and her brother - 1977 - Belgium
*1977 - November - An extraordinary meeting held in Knokke-Heist General Hospital, Belgium Frederick DeHedervary resigned from the European Furniture Factory


1976 February - Diane Walker - victim? accomplice? - family knew him -
married Wayside Chapel Sydney - 1 x son born APRIL 1979 and 1 x daughter born Luxembourg April 1981


Late 1970's / early 80's - Monique Cornelius - affair -
she claims the affair ended when she overheard him talking in the phone booth at airport when she picked him up and realised he was married - DdeH and son fly back into Aust for 3 months January 1981 and back out again in time for MdeH birth in April 1981 - and Monique claims she was looking after 'a little boy that looked just like him" at one point and "Eric" was still writing to her in August 1981

1980's -


1990 - ?

1991- ?

1992 _?

1993 - ?

1994 - ? FR advert placed

1995 -?

1996 -?

1997 – Feb - Marion Barter = FAMILY DIDNT KNOW HIM - ONLY ONE SO FAR TO HAVE CHANGED THEIR NAME WITH A PASSPORT TO MATCH (using Initials of someone both he and Monique knew)


1998 - Ginette Gaffney Bowen - met AH through her Lonely Hearts Advert -he suggested they start a coin trading business together and for her to sell her Sydney house and he buy an apartment in Paris - blackmailed her with nude photos he took of her - ran a child care from her home - possible sightings of AH ?

1999 - Janet Oldenburgh - relative knew him - met him in 1996 through her ex-husband coin collecting in Ballina with their mutual friend Barry Cooper & reconnected 1999 when she was going through divorce - He gave her a job going through his emails and correspond with his coin clients, made her bid at auctions in place of him.

1999 - AH testifies he spend 1 night in Belgium with his brother

2000's -

* Date unknown - over 2 decades ago according to newspapers = After reacquainting with E.Reid, AH talks about a Melbourne woman that he had recently robbed & giving a fake mobile number

2000 - ?

2001- ?

2002 - “LINDA” -SINGLE – Sydney RSVP dating - French business man –named Bernard Dupont - it looked like a younger version of AKA – she didn't respond to it as thought it was a scam

2003 - ?

2004- ?

2005 - Rosemary Zillig - relative knew him

2006 – Ghislaine Dubois-Danlois - places Lonely Hearts advert in paper - relatives knew him

2007 - ?

2008- ?

2009 - ?

2010 - Andree Flamme - relative knew him

2011 -

2012 - CL – relative knew him

2013 - 2020's -

So far that is at least 1 a year on average

* "family knew him" - at least one member of the victims family knew of AH
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Very interesting timeline mishy66, thank you! All those ? years - nothing going on??? Sends shivers!

Several trips to Europe in 1995 (as discussed during inquest) are VERY suspicious IMO. Someone was being scammed then, almost certainly IMO. Who/where are they? The ad in 1994 was written in french, which suggests french speaker(s) responded. Could it be someone from that community disappeared while their friends think they relocated to Europe?
JMO
 
mishy66 said:
1964? – Nicole Renaud born in Lille– married for weeks/ months - still married to her when he married IK - family knew him
* 1964 - Claims he left Tournai and went to work as a photographer in Brussels
* Note of car accident Jan 1965 causing injury to wife of WW in Brussels- is this the charge of involuntary injury on April 1965 he has on his documents? / 1974 - NR death in Lille - the same yr he gets out of prison in Lille
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Haven’t heard entire L Richards series yet but at one point she mentions Nicole as missing. (When I listened to last episode first by mistake.) I don’t remember that!!
 
mishy66 said:
Timeline of Victims we know of so far - Apologies if spelling of surnames are incorrect - there are certainly some patterns forming!!!!

*Stated on MBFB page: with all of the other ladies, he got them to withdraw the cash funds from their bank accounts themselves then hand over to him - He has scammed women in Amsterdam, Germany, Yugoslavia, Italy and France*


1960 / 1961 ? – Jeanine LeRoy - Born in Lille?? - married - 2 children ( possibly 3) - divorced - still alive - family knew him


1964? – Nicole Renaud born in Lille– married for weeks/ months - still married to her when he married IK - family knew him
* 1964 - Claims he left Tournai and went to work as a photographer in Brussels
* Note of car accident Jan 1965 causing injury to wife of WW in Brussels- is this the charge of involuntary injury on April 1965 he has on his documents? / 1974 - NR death in Lille - the same yr he gets out of prison in Lille


1969 - married – Ilona Kinczel - family knew him - Nicole R warns IK of him - her death Melbourne 1977
*death of her mother and her brother - 1977 - Belgium
*1977 - November - An extraordinary meeting held in Knokke-Heist General Hospital, Belgium Frederick DeHedervary resigned from the European Furniture Factory


1976 February - Diane Walker - victim? accomplice? - family knew him -
married Wayside Chapel Sydney - 1 x son born APRIL 1979 and 1 x daughter born Luxembourg April 1981


Late 1970's / early 80's - Monique Cornelius - affair -
she claims the affair ended when she overheard him talking in the phone booth at airport when she picked him up and realised he was married - DdeH and son fly back into Aust for 3 months January 1981 and back out again in time for MdeH birth in April 1981 - and Monique claims she was looking after 'a little boy that looked just like him" at one point and "Eric" was still writing to her in August 1981

1980's -


1990 - ?

1991- ?

1992 _?

1993 - ?

1994 - ? FR advert placed

1995 -?

1996 -?

1997 – Feb - Marion Barter = FAMILY DIDNT KNOW HIM - ONLY ONE SO FAR TO HAVE CHANGED THEIR NAME WITH A PASSPORT TO MATCH (using Initials of someone both he and Monique knew)


1998 - Ginette Gaffney Bowen - met AH through her Lonely Hearts Advert -he suggested they start a coin trading business together and for her to sell her Sydney house and he buy an apartment in Paris - blackmailed her with nude photos he took of her - ran a child care from her home - possible sightings of AH ?

1999 - Janet Oldenburgh - relative knew him - met him in 1996 through her ex-husband coin collecting in Ballina with their mutual friend Barry Cooper & reconnected 1999 when she was going through divorce - He gave her a job going through his emails and correspond with his coin clients, made her bid at auctions in place of him.

1999 - AH testifies he spend 1 night in Belgium with his brother

2000's -

* Date unknown - over 2 decades ago according to newspapers = After reacquainting with E.Reid, AH talks about a Melbourne woman that he had recently robbed & giving a fake mobile number

2000 - ?

2001- ?

2002 - “LINDA” -SINGLE – Sydney RSVP dating - French business man –named Bernard Dupont - it looked like a younger version of AKA – she didn't respond to it as thought it was a scam

2003 - ?

2004- ?

2005 - Rosemary Zillig - relative knew him

2006 – Ghislaine Dubois-Danlois - places Lonely Hearts advert in paper - relatives knew him

2007 - ?

2008- ?

2009 - ?

2010 - Andree Flamme - relative knew him

2011 -

2012 - CL – relative knew him

2013 - 2020's -

So far that is at least 1 a year on average

* "family knew him" - at least one member of the victims family knew of AH
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has it been mentioned anywhere whether NR passed before or after his release?
 
mishy66 said:
Note of car accident Jan 1965 causing injury to wife of WW in Brussels- is this the charge of involuntary injury on April 1965 he has on his documents? / 1974 - NR death in Lille - the same yr he gets out of prison in Lille
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I see, @mishy66. I'm sorry I didn't read more carefully what you'd written and/or wait in the Richards' podcast until she covers it.
 
Several more thoughts after rereading your great timeline @mishy66.

> Whether DdH is victim or accomplice or both, she better count herself lucky she's alive. Based on her predecessors, their parents and her parents.
> Somewhere along the line, AKA figured out that it was easier to scam women than to marry them.
> Based on the timeline, I still find it hard to believe AKA didn't take money from or abuse MC in some way. Unless her purpose was sex and to babysit the son while AKA was up to other mischief.
> What was AKA doing in the 1980s? Focusing his efforts on getting D's inheritance? Capitalizing on the Walker connections? After using up his wife's family's resources, did he turn to his scams on women?
 
KiwiNZ said:

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To support whole-of government initiatives, the Department has various movement records information sharing arrangements in place. Those initiatives involve border security, law enforcement, entitlement and identity verification, validations actions, eligibility determinations and various notifications.
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Thank you, I’m thinking the police have more corroborating information then (assuming they checked in time / checked at all….)
 
Observe_dont_Absorb said:
One false move and she'd have been a goner. Or she's got some serious exemption clause / indemnity? The children? Are his children his Achilles heel?
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I doubt his children mean a hill o' beans to him. I'd say D may have funds he can't get to but can only live off of. A trust? Also, D and kiddies are his cover. His blind. He may think they make him invulnerable, as the "perfect" family.
 
mishy66 said:
Timeline of Victims we know of so far - Apologies if spelling of surnames are incorrect - there are certainly some patterns forming!!!!

*Stated on MBFB page: with all of the other ladies, he got them to withdraw the cash funds from their bank accounts themselves then hand over to him - He has scammed women in Amsterdam, Germany, Yugoslavia, Italy and France*


1960 / 1961 ? – Jeanine LeRoy - Born in Lille?? - married - 2 children ( possibly 3) - divorced - still alive - family knew him


1964? – Nicole Renaud born in Lille– married for weeks/ months - still married to her when he married IK - family knew him
* 1964 - Claims he left Tournai and went to work as a photographer in Brussels
* Note of car accident Jan 1965 causing injury to wife of WW in Brussels- is this the charge of involuntary injury on April 1965 he has on his documents? / 1974 - NR death in Lille - the same yr he gets out of prison in Lille


1969 - married – Ilona Kinczel - family knew him - Nicole R warns IK of him - her death Melbourne 1977
*death of her mother and her brother - 1977 - Belgium
*1977 - November - An extraordinary meeting held in Knokke-Heist General Hospital, Belgium Frederick DeHedervary resigned from the European Furniture Factory


1976 February - Diane Walker - victim? accomplice? - family knew him -
married Wayside Chapel Sydney - 1 x son born APRIL 1979 and 1 x daughter born Luxembourg April 1981


Late 1970's / early 80's - Monique Cornelius - affair -
she claims the affair ended when she overheard him talking in the phone booth at airport when she picked him up and realised he was married - DdeH and son fly back into Aust for 3 months January 1981 and back out again in time for MdeH birth in April 1981 - and Monique claims she was looking after 'a little boy that looked just like him" at one point and "Eric" was still writing to her in August 1981

1980's -


1990 - ?

1991- ?

1992 _?

1993 - ?

1994 - ? FR advert placed

1995 -?

1996 -?

1997 – Feb - Marion Barter = FAMILY DIDNT KNOW HIM - ONLY ONE SO FAR TO HAVE CHANGED THEIR NAME WITH A PASSPORT TO MATCH (using Initials of someone both he and Monique knew)


1998 - Ginette Gaffney Bowen - met AH through her Lonely Hearts Advert -he suggested they start a coin trading business together and for her to sell her Sydney house and he buy an apartment in Paris - blackmailed her with nude photos he took of her - ran a child care from her home - possible sightings of AH ?

1999 - Janet Oldenburgh - relative knew him - met him in 1996 through her ex-husband coin collecting in Ballina with their mutual friend Barry Cooper & reconnected 1999 when she was going through divorce - He gave her a job going through his emails and correspond with his coin clients, made her bid at auctions in place of him.

1999 - AH testifies he spend 1 night in Belgium with his brother

2000's -

* Date unknown - over 2 decades ago according to newspapers = After reacquainting with E.Reid, AH talks about a Melbourne woman that he had recently robbed & giving a fake mobile number

2000 - ?

2001- ?

2002 - “LINDA” -SINGLE – Sydney RSVP dating - French business man –named Bernard Dupont - it looked like a younger version of AKA – she didn't respond to it as thought it was a scam

2003 - ?

2004- ?

2005 - Rosemary Zillig - relative knew him

2006 – Ghislaine Dubois-Danlois - places Lonely Hearts advert in paper - relatives knew him

2007 - ?

2008- ?

2009 - ?

2010 - Andree Flamme - relative knew him

2011 -

2012 - CL – relative knew him

2013 - 2020's -

So far that is at least 1 a year on average

* "family knew him" - at least one member of the victims family knew of AH
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Illuminating to see it listed out like this. Lots happened in 77.

The knowing of families is interesting. He’s apparently not concerned about being caught via a connection. I wonder whether it’s because it was harder back then to prove that it was a crime. Without coercive control recognised and that they apparently gave him money of their own volition I wonder whether it added an extra layer of feeling untouchable.
 
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