GUILTY Australia - Sarah Cafferkey, 22, Melbourne, 9th Nov 2012, #1

[koalabear]

And here we go again. Another man on Parole committing murder.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/moe-car-park-slaughter-beyond-belief-20121121-29pdx.html

 

[thegoogler]

I get that "twists and turns" to come kinda feeling for this case!

:rollercoaster:

Yeah I agree completely. That said, I've got that with the Jill Maher case, yet it seems the twists and turns for both of them may not come out until the trial?

 

[Ausgirl]

From the link, re the other parolee:
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/m...yond-belief-20121121-29pdx.html#ixzz2CpbQsRM3

"Your prior convictions combined with these two very serious offences indicate to me that you have a low prospect of any meaningful rehabilitation. In this case you have destroyed two lives, seriously affected the lives of a number of others and left yourself with little to hope for. Your conduct is to be condemned and the community is entitled to be protected from you."

Devries was ordered to serve 24 years before being eligible for parole.

But the murderer of a young girl gets 16 years? We need some kind of consistency with sentencing. We need a zero tolerance outlook on violent crime.

We Aussies might be a bit too laid back at times, but get us riled .. en masse, we can change the nation. We need protests. We need the public to express their anger at our people being harmed time and again by violent offenders permitted to walk free after sentences that are negligible compared to the suffering they've caused.

Or we'll end up like other countries, where the murderers seem to have more rights than the victims, sometimes. :furious:

I can't even visit the MAKO site anymore, as reading the sheer number of repeat offenders there causing untold harm over and over makes me so mad...

Pedos and killers - zero tolerance!

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Does anyone know if SC was fb friends with AW before AW's page disappeared? I see the SC link as less mysterious than that of TB. Still keen to know if TB is the housemate of AW or not.

I don't think so - did look at that. Of course SH and AW were.

Remember thinking that it was a bit unusual, because AW had quite a different group of friends etc. Even TB and SH - fair difference in age.

 

[fruity]

www.3AW.com.au. Yesterday Derryn Hinch's Drive program discussed parole decisions with Mr. Ari Freiberg from the Sentencing Advisory Council. It was revealed that Victoria Police Sexual Crimes Squad requested the Parole Board to revoke a certain offender's parole on two occasions this year. Police knew he was a significant risk. Victoria Police had their finger on the pulse, but the Parole Board did not. The offender subsequently attacked fatally. The Parole Board have much to answer for. IMO we concerned people should write to Victorian State MPs asking why the Parole Board did not listen to the requests from the Police and express outrage at parole board assessments of offenders' risk to women and girls. Why are they disregarding the rights of women and girls to be safe in the community? Are there 'women haters' on the parole board? My opinion only and fair comment.

Wow.

I hope that an inquiry is opened into the actions of the parole board, after the incidents involving two convicted criminals in Melbourne recently.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

From the link, re the other parolee:
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/m...yond-belief-20121121-29pdx.html#ixzz2CpbQsRM3

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I can't even visit the MAKO site anymore, as reading the sheer number of repeat offenders there causing untold harm over and over makes me so mad...

Pedos and killers - zero tolerance!

I'm with you, the MAKO site gives me the absolute horrors. Actual shivers. All those creepy faces staring out at you. And they aren't the sum total.:twocents:

 

[LegallyBrunette]

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/from-model-neighbour-to-accused-killer-20121121-29pe0.html

Very, very interesting about SC's recent, repetitive visits to SH's house at all times of the day and night. I have a feeling I know what's going on there, a possible motive for the killing and have mentioned it before (posts removed out of respect to the victim and family), make of it what you will...

This article just about sums it up doesn't it.

No mention from the neighbour about V living there as well (unless it's left out to protect her)

The neighbour made the understatement of the century -

"I saw her coming with a friend and visiting him and them leaving and then her and him coming back later that day. And she didn't leave at all again."

About 200 metres away from Hunter's home is the Young and Main Hotel (very convenient)

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/f...used-killer-20121121-29pe0.html#ixzz2CpmdMcFM

 

[Makara]

Was AW in fact the owner of the Point Cook house but did not live there at all? Did he lease the house to the two males seen by neighbours? One being TB and the other SH. Is TB the owner of the yellow commodore? Has he done a runner because he knows what happened to Sarah? Why was the commodore abandoned on the side of the road? That one doesn't make sense to me yet. if TB has done a runner, leaving his car abandoned would surely attract more attention to himself from the Police. Is he alive? :what:

It seems from MSM reports that SH was still a resident of Simpson Street in Bacchus Marsh where he allegedly murdered Sarah. Or at the very least he still had access to that property. IMO he did not live with the woman referred to as V, but was living on his own. It has been mentioned in MSM that many young girls, including Sarah visited him on many occasions. I do have my own opinions on that, which I'm unable to elaborate on here.

On another note, thank you for the great discussion on the Parole Board etc. I'm clueless about such things and I feel that I've been educated a little more after reading your posts.

MOO.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

With all due respect, I think that is way off the mark and completely unnecessary to turn this into a gender argument - there is just no evidence this is true but happy to be proven otherwise.

In reality, the public perception is that the parole is too lenient in general (regardless of whether the victim is male or female).

And that there should be longer initial sentences for crimes against women than for crimes against men - is that your argument? That you should get a shorter sentence for a crime against a male??

The women on those boards can be just as removed from reality, and often are. Quite often, they're worse. ( yes, I am female ]

 

[Kimster]

NOTE: I have removed the suggestions for a letter writing campaign because all campaigns, boycotts, etc. must be approved by the owners. I've asked them to review the posts and if they say they are allowed, I'll reapprove them at that time.

:cheers:

 

[cluciano63]

From the link, re the other parolee:
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/m...yond-belief-20121121-29pdx.html#ixzz2CpbQsRM3



But the murderer of a young girl gets 16 years? We need some kind of consistency with sentencing. We need a zero tolerance outlook on violent crime.

We Aussies might be a bit too laid back at times, but get us riled .. en masse, we can change the nation. We need protests. We need the public to express their anger at our people being harmed time and again by violent offenders permitted to walk free after sentences that are negligible compared to the suffering they've caused.

Or we'll end up like other countries, where the murderers seem to have more rights than the victims, sometimes. :furious:

I can't even visit the MAKO site anymore, as reading the sheer number of repeat offenders there causing untold harm over and over makes me so mad...

Pedos and killers - zero tolerance!

I can't help thinking that AU and the UK went too far in reversing their historical penal system/punishments, etc. and just went totally soft on violent crime. There has to be some middle ground. I will never understand how violent murder ever equals anything but a life sentence, ever, in any country. How can any judge or jury really believe that someone who could murder a person in a violent manner will be "better" in say, 15-20 years? I think the question should always be, do you want them to live next door to you when they get out? If the answer is no, leave them in forever.

JMO

 

[Curiousasacat]

I'm with you, the MAKO site gives me the absolute horrors. Actual shivers. All those creepy faces staring out at you. And they aren't the sum total.:twocents:

It's not a very nice site but I would like more women to read the following page from there. You never know, I learnt a few things.

Safety for women.

http://www.mako.org.au/safetyforwomen2.html


Also check out this advertising campaign that has just started in Canada.


http://www.theviolencestopshere.ca/dbtg.php


They're also running a marketing campagn- Don't be that guy.

Don't Be That Guy - a behavioural marketing campaign sends the message that sex without consent is sexual assault. We are sending a visual message to men between the ages of 18 and 25, graphically demonstrating their role in ending alcohol facilitated sexual assaults. Don't Be That Guy shifts the emphasis to men to take responsibility for their behaviour. Studies involving 18-25 year old men revealed that 48 per cent of the men did not consider it rape if a woman is too drunk to know what is going on.

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[LegallyBrunette]

I think we're all wondering that. Especially since there now seems to be 1 resident of PC not accounted for (as in, not mentioned in the media, not that I'm suggesting someone is on the run). It leads to those wonders about whether TB is that person and if so what role (if any?) they've played?

Yes I see your point too Fruity - it's not the hormones. Maybe it was to implicate someone else. Couldn't pretend he didn't know SC because too many people knew the truth. So, something happens to her but nothing to do with him because she's found elsewhere. Why he would have thought staying with his one friend was a good plan who knows. Wonder if he told the friend some BS story about having his flat painted or something.:twocents:

 

[LegallyBrunette]

It's not a very nice site but I would like more women to read the following page from there. You never know, I learnt a few things.

Safety for women.

http://www.mako.org.au/safetyforwomen2.html


Also check out this advertising campaign that has just started in Canada.


http://www.theviolencestopshere.ca/dbtg.php


They're also running a marketing campagn- Don't be that guy.

Don't Be That Guy - a behavioural marketing campaign sends the message that sex without consent is sexual assault. We are sending a visual message to men between the ages of 18 and 25, graphically demonstrating their role in ending alcohol facilitated sexual assaults. Don't Be That Guy shifts the emphasis to men to take responsibility for their behaviour. Studies involving 18-25 year old men revealed that 48 per cent of the men did not consider it rape if a woman is too drunk to know what is going on.

<modsnip>

With the greatest respect, any d.. head who would think that the woman being paralytic or unconscious constitutes consent, probably wouldn't give a tinkers about a campaign. You know that saying about putting brains into a statue

I would value such a campaign if it had a component to educate young women as well, i.e. don't get yourself so drunk that you are defenceless and a magnet to scumbags (not just for sexual assault but any kind of assault):twocents:

 

[MelbourneGirl]

I get that "twists and turns" to come kinda feeling for this case!

:rollercoaster:

I agree... Young girl, older crim guy - odd to begin with. Friends, bar man, neighbour knew she was with him that day but it took them over a week to find her and then him. He has multiple houses, others cars being used, he moved her body for no apparent reason, dumped her car then the one he used, obviously others knew something but no one else has been mentioned.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/so...captured-on-coward-camera-20121121-29pba.html

Unrelated article, but the last sentence relates; did SH 'wet himself'?? :floorlaugh:

Sounds about right. <modsnip>. :behindbar

 

[LegallyBrunette]

From another recent join, welcome.

MOO is that they weren't involved in that way, but he got it in his head that they should be and lost the plot. Who knows.

MOO too.

The self-described Casanova ...

uke:

http://www.smh.com.au/national/poli...he-murder-of-bubbly-sarah-20121120-29oh2.html

 

[LegallyBrunette]

This has been very good with the quick turnaround, once again a bit of a success of social media down here.

I have a few friends who went to school with this girl and their group of friends have gone nuts getting the info out and about.

Not supposed to talk about his history now that he's been charged, but let's hope it is taken into consideration if he's found guilty...which he should be given he has admitted it apparently.

If a person pleads guilty, or is tried and found guilty, any past history is before the judge for sentencing.

Jury aren't allowed to know during the trial - unless accused brings evidence as to his own character, then Crown can get consent of the Judge to put any prior history to the court.

The ringleader of the gang rapists in Sydney 12 years ago did that at trial - told the court he was of very good character. Judge gave permission for his prior history to be disclosed to the jury. He received a sentence of 55 years, 40 non-parole. Unfortunately, a series of appeals reduced it down to 28 years, 22 non-parole (Feb 2023).:justice:

Don't you just love your taxes paying for this:

THE rape gang ringleader Bilal Skaf could be a free man when he is 41 after the High Court upheld a ruling that he was not in the worst category of rapists.

Skaf, now 24, was originally jailed for up to 55 years for a number of attacks in south-west Sydney, but a series of appeals has cut his sentence to a minimum of 22 years, with a parole date of February 2023.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national...inking-sentence/2006/02/03/1138958911092.html

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Warning- don't read if you just had dinner!
This is just classic.

A post earlier this arvo was asking about prisoners' right of appeal from decisions of the Parole Board. I thought there probably would be a (limited) right of appeal to the Supreme Court, went looking for a case and found this one - Prisoner was appealing his residence and terms of supervision.

15 Sept 2006. Robin Angas Fletcher, Plaintiff v THE SECRETARY TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE First Defendant - and - THE ADULT PAROLE BOARD OF VICTORIA Second Defendant .

The plaintiff, Robin Angas Fletcher ("Mr Fletcher"), is a middle aged man and an invalid pensioner, who resides in a home erected in the grounds of Ararat Prison. He recently obtained a BA from Deakin University and is presently part-way through a law course, which he is studying by correspondence. He states that he is legally blind. . He is the subject of an Extended Supervision Order ("ESO") made pursuant to the Act.

On 4 March 1998, Mr Fletcher was sentenced in this Court to a total of 10 years&#8217; imprisonment on three counts of wilfully committing an indecent act with a child under the age of 16 years, one count of child prostitution, and one count of attempting to pervert the course of justice. Mr Fletcher pleaded guilty to the charges and Harper J, the sentencing judge, directed that he serve a minimum of eight years before being eligible for parole. He was eligible for parole in the latter part of 2005 and a decision was made to grant him parole in December that year, but it was later revoked. He completed his sentence on 12 June 2006.

It was submitted that the Act did not lawfully permit the Board to impose conditions that would lead to the detention of Mr Fletcher. In particular, condition (i) does not permit Mr Fletcher to leave his residential address, except in the company of a Corrections Victoria approved escort. It is said that in combining his present residence with that condition and the curfew, Mr Fletcher enjoys very few freedoms of movement.

The Board has information as to Mr Fletcher&#8217;s criminal activities, which led to his conviction and sentence, and as to his conduct in gaol. Indeed, parole was refused because of Mr Fletcher&#8217;s conduct and attitude, in particular, his attitude to treatment and, further, his activities in gaol, which, on one view, tended to show that he was a person who was prepared to advocate and maybe commit criminal offences which he justified by his religion.

79 The purpose of the Act, and the reason why it was passed, was because it was considered that the community should be protected from persons who had served custodial sentences for certain sexual offences, and who were considered to be a serious danger to the community

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/vic/VSC/2006/354.html

Fast forward 5 years. June 2011.

SELF-proclaimed black magic sex witch Robin Angas Fletcher will be placed under strict monitoring for the next five years with a ban on contact with children and restrictions on his religious practice. Supreme Court judge Justice Weinberg signed the supervision orders last night, just days before similar orders imposed on Fletcher were due to expire. He continues to be assessed as an unacceptable risk of reoffending and is subjected to a curfew and accommodation requirements.
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His original court case heard he dressed the girls in dog collars, bound their wrists and flogged them with a whip and a paddle. He believed that sexualising children and sado-masochism were a legitimate part of his religion.

The Department of Justice had applied to have his supervision order extended for 15 years, to 2026.

Justice Weinberg ordered the supervision order be reviewed every year and that Fletcher not have access to whips or chains capable of providing sexual stimulus, that his internet access to sites be approved by authorities and that he comply with electronic monitoring.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...rict-supervision/story-e6frg6n6-1226072027473

http://www.mako.org.au/tempfletcher.html

 

[enzeder]

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/so...captured-on-coward-camera-20121121-29pba.html

Unrelated article, but the last sentence relates; did SH 'wet himself'?? :floorlaugh:

It says that he did. What a vile individual. imo

On Tuesday, members of the Special Operations Group arrested Steven James Hunter over the murder of Sarah Cafferkey.

When they surrounded the Hawthorn flat and ordered him to surrender he immediately ran out and lay on the ground.

Then he wet himself.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/so...ward-camera-20121121-29pba.html#ixzz2CqKeoiPg