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Inquest told Gareth Train's email threats left out of briefing to Queensland police before Wieambilla shootings
NSW Police were aware of Gareth Train's email threats that police would be "dealt with" if they went to his property but didn't inform Queensland officers before they attended the Wieambilla property in 2022, an inquest has heard.www.abc.net.au
Gareth Train's threatening emails not included in briefing to Queensland police the day of Wieambilla shootings, inquest hears
The court has previously been told that in the police system a summary of an investigation is known as a 'narrative'.
The narrative relating to Nathaniel Train included reports that Gareth Train was "paranoid" and had a "dislike for police".
Queensland police were made aware of these reports, and the fact that Nathaniel Train was a licensed firearm holder.
However, when passing on information about the Trains, Detective Senior Constable Montgomery attached the first narrative in the system, which was created 11 days earlier, but not the most recent 'narrative' that had been submitted at around 10.30am on the morning of the shooting.
This narrative included reports about Gareth Train's emails.
Probably impossible the way things are divided up by state here, but you’d think a federal missing persons register (along with the national firearms register) wouldn’t be the worst thing.So the police in charge of activating the welfare check knew from the extant "narrative" that
- Train was paranoid
- Train disliked / hated police
- Train(s) were armed
But not yet that
- Gareth Train had recently made direct criminal threats concerning what he might do to police who came onto his property
Armed with that first section of analysis but without knowing about the recent direct threats, the decision was made to send 4 junior officers.
I'm guessing that a "narrative" system update that prioritizes and redflags critical info so it's seen first and not simply in the order in which it appeared is required.
Terrible situation, made still more shocking somehow by the chronology of this inquest, IMO.
So a NSW police officer performed CPR on Nathaniel Train when he had an heart attack at school, and saved his life, and then Nathaniel turned and was complicit in killing a police officer in the siege on his brother’s property over a year later.
Sgt Thorpe was the officer who performed CPR on Nathaniel when he had his cardiac arrest at the school on Aug 10th 2021 ( some , may say too well IMO ) His wife also worked with Nathaniel.
Lots more in article
I personally think some of this testimony from the woman close to Nathaniel is a bit questionable…. All of my own comments and wonderings are italicised here.
“The woman said Nathaniel had tried to convince her to come to Queensland, and when she pleaded with him to return to New South Wales where he lived, he told her, "he was in the place God told him he had to be".
I cannot imagine he asked her to come to QLD.
“Communication cut off months earlier.”
“The court heard the woman cut off communication from Nathaniel in May 2022…” if she broke up with him or cut off comms, why did she go on to make a missing persons report in December? You’re either communicating or you’re not. If you’re done with someone, why not just leave them alone?
“…and dropped off some of his belongings to the Wieambilla property, but did not enter and did not see any of the Trains.”
Why didn’t she enter the property? Was she concerned about her safety?
You go all the way up to Tara to drop off your ex’s belongings and you don’t bother like even opening the gate or making sure the items make their way into the house safely?
She said she was constantly concerned about Nathaniel's welfare and mental health, but her concerns escalated when his brother, Gareth, forwarded a message from Nathaniel, which stated he was "well and going out bush camping for a few months".
If she was so concerned about his wellbeing and mental health, why did she go no contact from May 2022 and then break into his email account and start forwarding some of the emails to police? I wonder if she was a bit of a Nancy Drew type and wanted to know what he was up to due to curiosity and a sense that she was entitled to know about his mysterious new life?
Wieambilla inquest hears haunting final message to woman who reported Nathaniel Train missing
The next morning, she learned all three Trains were dead and heard news reports of what unfolded on the property. The inquest continues.
I wonder if it’s truly accurate that this woman learned about their deaths the next morning. I’m quite sure that unfolding and breaking news related to the siege was broadcast 24/7.
Surely she knew that was their property on the news the evening before? I mean, she had been there to drop off Nathaniel’s items. She knew what the property looked like….
Thanks for your feedback. I think Nathaniel’s ex partner’s behaviour was a bit odd, in retrospect.What an incredibly bizarre interpretation of events. Sounds strangely familiar.