Found Deceased Australia - Stephanie Scott, 26, Leeton, NSW, 5 April 2015 - #1 *Arrests*

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fruity said:
It's hard to convey tone on a keyboard, so please take this as it is asked: conversationally, not as a challenge.

Are you a woman?
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Literally took the words right out of my mouth!
 
Freya1977 said:
I feel sick. This is a burned patch of ground.....and I dont know if it's my imagination, but I see an outline. :'(View attachment 72905
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I'm seeing branches which could have been pulled over to keep the fire going. Unless gloves were used I'm sure his DNA will be on those branches.

This creature must get life in prison and nothing less.
 
fruity said:
Again I ask: are you a woman?

Domestic violence is the leading cause of death and injury in women under 45 years old in Australia. If we widen that to include numbers for GBV, it is horrifying. And when it comes to domestic violence - to put it bluntly, Australians are pretty thick and our knowledge of it is only getting worse.

The attitude of men (as a whole, not specific individuals) about violence towards women NEEDS to change.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-18/charts-attitudes-to-violence-against-women/5750014
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Fruity in your statistics, how many of these men who kill and injure women are affected by alcohol and or drugs?
 
The more I think about the timeline, im fairly sure she sent that email to the bus company herself. With all else he was planning for that afternoon I dont think its likely vs would have bothered or known what to say to the bus company. Unless he was holding her hostage at the school, tho why waste time on the school premises and worry about emails. More likely he was lying in wait for her and maybe ambushed her as she was leaving. I guess we'll hear in due course whether Stephanie was there undisturbed for long enough to complete the lesson plan handover.
 
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ind-body-in-bush/story-e6frg6nf-1227299570374

Stephanie Scott: Police find body in bush
THE AUSTRALIAN APRIL 12, 2015 7:31AM

"The body of teacher Stephanie Scott will undergo forensic examination at a Sydney morgue as police piece together how the much-loved teacher died...
Her body was transported to Glebe morgue on Saturday to go through forensic testing... Police have not revealed how the 26-year-old died but confirmed
her body was found burned" ...
 
spiritualdreaming said:
Those stats are also 2yrs old....I can recall 6 people murdered all within a week in and around Melbourne, but yet your trying to say there is a decrease in the statistics [emoji53]
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Oh, well that's fine then, your Anecdotal evidence must mean a 30 year decline has suddenly gone into sharp reversal and there are people getting slain in the streets. I stand corrected.
 
I need to update my timeline with some important information. The witnesses saw the ute head back towards Leeton after dumping the laptop at 4pm Sunday. The ute did a U-turn. I will edit my theory about him going straight to Cocoparra after dumping the laptop (oops, seems I can't edit back that far).

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...orth-of-griffith/story-fni0cx12-1227299375456
Mr Halls said after dumping the laptop the man ran back to his car, did a U-turn and sped off towards Leeton.

Angeline said:
Timeline (please repost and edit this as more info comes to light, or if there's anything left out.)

Sunday, 5 April:

11AM: Stephanie seen by another teacher/colleague collecting keys for the classroom/working on lesson plan (depending on which news site you read.)

11AM - 7.20PM: Police will allege Stephanie was killed between these times. “Sometime between 12 and 1pm on Easter Sunday something has happened. She would not just disappear,’’ her mother said.

12PM: Aaron tries to call Stephanie but it goes to voice mail.

12:59PM: E-mail sent from Stephanie about wedding bus.

4PM: Locals allegedly saw Stanford throw the laptop into the irrigation canal, with his car parked on "the left hand side of Griffith Rd, facing west." The ute did a U-turn and headed back towards Leeton. A gasoline can is found nearby. The spot was 6.5km from where her car would be found abandoned.

7.55PM: Aaron calls the restaurant, "The Village", to cancel dinner booked for 7 or 8pm (inconsistent reports). He has already driven past the restaurant to look for her car, and hasn't seen her at home either. He texts some friends to check if they have seen her.



Monday 6 April:

AM: Aaron makes phone calls to her family in Canowindra, approx 3 hours away.

AM or PM: Stanford's neighbours allege that they saw him washing clothes and spoke with him over the fence. He told them: "I've been quite busy, I've been working 120 hours a week because someone was away sick." (I can't find anything about whether the neighbours heard him come home.)

3PM: After calling Stephanie's mother and sister, Aaron reports Stephanie as missing.


Wednesday 8 April:

AM: Stephanie's family hire a helicopter to search for her car, concerned she has run off the road.

7.30PM: Stanford arrives home and is arrested. Police had found a camera with images of a burned body in Stanford's car, blood in his car and her keys in his house.


Thursday April 9:

AM: A Channel 9 helicopter spots Stephanie's car in a vineyard in Wamoon, 8km from Leeton.


Friday 10 April:

10AM: Police divers recover Stephanie's laptop.

5PM: Police find Stephanie's body at Cocoparra National Park, 75km from Leeton. Body is removed at 1am.




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...brought-tears-happiest-day-life-together.html

http://www.theguardian.com/australi...hanie-scott-body-found-police-missing-teacher

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...297895294?sv=ed3c317c5adacff216e2cb879c26afc7

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-...eton-in-shock-over-stephanie-scott-death.html

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...fore-her-wedding/story-fni0cx12-1227294340843

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/stephanie...o-himself-say-neighbours-20150409-1mhkxa.html
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fruity said:
Accused man's mother and brother 'led police' to national park where Stephanie Scott's body was found.

www.9news.com.au/national/2015/04/11/11/41/a-sister-s-heartbreaking-wedding-poem#UERFPqSrhAH6AkeZ.99
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Thanks Fruity. From the above link:

" ... Scott's body is set to undergo forensic testing in a Sydney morgue with more details about her death expected to emerge soon" ... "police were led to the national park where the body was found by the mother and brother of the man accused of Scott's murder" ... :(
 
Of course, it is only speculation in this case that the person was drunk and or under the influence of drugs, but the following statistics indicate that alcohol is a significant factor in homicides.

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/rip/1-10/04.html

"Alcohol and homicide

Alcohol is also involved in a significant number of homicides. Recent research using the AIC's National Homicide Monitoring Program's (NHMP) database concluded that around half (47%) of all homicides in Australia between 2000 and 2006 were alcohol related (Dearden & Payne 2009). In this study, a homicide was classified as alcohol related if police had recorded the offender as having been drinking or drunk or toxicology reports showed the victim had consumed alcohol. In the majority of these homicides (60%), both the offender and victim had consumed alcohol. Other findings include:

male victims of homicide are significantly more likely than females to have consumed alcohol
alcohol-related homicides most frequently involvea male offender and victim who will likely know one another
almost half (44%) of all intimate partner homicides, and the majority (87%) of intimate partner homicides involving Indigenous people, are alcohol related
homicides occurring on weekends and in the hours between 6 pm and 6 am are more likely to involve alcohol
homicides in recreational settings are more likely to involve alcohol, although those incidents that occur in residential locations or on the street account for a greater proportion of alcohol-related homicides
alcohol is most frequently associated with those deaths involving physical altercations, blunt force injuries and stab wounds (Carcach & Conroy 2001; Darke & Duflou 2008; Dearden & Payne 2009)."
 
fruity said:
Again I ask: are you a woman?

Domestic violence is the leading cause of death and injury in women under 45 years old in Australia. If we widen that to include numbers for GBV, it is horrifying. And when it comes to domestic violence - to put it bluntly, Australians are pretty thick and our knowledge of it is only getting worse.

The attitude of men (as a whole, not specific individuals) about violence towards women NEEDS to change.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-18/charts-attitudes-to-violence-against-women/5750014
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Yes, there is excessive domestic violence and no one is arguing that (it isn't new, by the way). BUT **Domestic violence does not equate to murder**. There is no murder epidemic. There has never been a murder epidemic and there probably never will be a murder epidemic. That is my only point. Spreading unnecessary fear amongst women does not empower them, it weakens them.

Whether I am a man or a woman is completely irrelevant (or are you, perhaps, stereotyping?) As it happens, I'm not a woman, but I am married to one (and I don't beat her up, swear at her, rape her, shout at her, tell her she is ****). For the record, she is an Emergency Medicine Consultant ("Specialist"), so she sees the results of violence on a regular basis, and it isn't just men beating up women. The reality is that Domestic Violence (and violence generally) is much more pronounced in certain socio-economic groups relative to others. Less well educated people are more prone to engage in and be victims of domestic violence (and violence in general). Improve the educational level of the entire population and the problem will go away. Continue with a poorly educated population of drug and alcohol fuelled morons (who have more children than the well-educated segments of the population) and the problems will remain (and probably worsen as the demographics shift).

I don't know what the answer is, but the idea that all "Men" are somehow the problem is flawed. The issue is intelligence and education. One of those things can be fixed, and it might be enough.
 
metapraxis02 said:
Yes, there is excessive domestic violence and no one is arguing that (it isn't new, by the way). BUT **Domestic violence does not equate to murder**. There is no murder epidemic. There has never been a murder epidemic and there probably never will be a murder epidemic. That is my only point. Spreading unnecessary fear amongst women does not empower them, it weakens them.

Whether I am a man or a woman is completely irrelevant (or are you, perhaps, stereotyping?) As it happens, I'm not a woman, but I am married to one (and I don't beat her up, swear at her, rape her, shout at her, tell her she is ****). For the record, she is an Emergency Medicine Consultant ("Specialist"), so she sees the results of violence on a regular basis, and it isn't just men beating up women. The reality is that Domestic Violence (and violence generally) is much more pronounced in certain socio-economic groups relative to others. Less well educated people are more prone to engage in and be victims of domestic violence (and violence in general). Improve the educational level of the entire population and the problem will go away. Continue with a poorly educated population of drug and alcohol fuelled morons (who have more children than the well-educated segments of the population) and the problems will remain (and probably worsen as the demographics shift).

I don't know what the answer is, but the idea that all "Men" are somehow the problem is flawed. The issue is intelligence and education. One of those things can be fixed, and it might be enough.
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Thank you for your interesting opinion. What kind of education do you propose? Any ideas on how to improve intelligence? Do you really believe that a higher socio-economic level protects women/men from domestic violence? I could go on, but I understand that the purpose of this thread is sleuthing the perpetrator named in msm, the circumstances of this tragic murder in sympathy for the victims, etc. I do not want to 'derail' the discussion into academic debate - if you know what I mean. Many different WS's most likely from differing socio-economic levels and levels of education and intelligence - come here to express interest/opinions as we join together and sleuth this tragic murder. My opinion only.
 
Angeline said:
Yes, I must've remembered that at the same time you posted it as I just added more info to the timeline :)
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Great timeline. The article states witnesses saw he was driving his car when he dumped the items. Her car wasn't discovered till Wednesday which begs the question where was her car????
 
metapraxis02 said:
Whether I am a man or a woman is completely irrelevant
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No actually, it is not.

'Men' are not the problem as such. In a discussion about GBV it is the minimising and denial that are the problem, and men seem to be the ones doing that. As we can clearly see.

Domestic violence does not equate to murder, of course. However this thread is about much more than just men killing women. The context of violence against women is absolutely critical here, and we can't discuss the murder of this beautiful woman without acknowledging it. As I said earlier, it is the attitudes about violence towards women which have to change, whether those attitudes come from self proclaimed lovely men who are married or those who think it's okay to push a woman around a little to put her in her place. And whether they end in murder or not. Because we live in a society where violence-supportive behaviour is not widely recognised. And when it is, it is usually not addressed.

https://www.vichealth.vic.gov.au/~/...eventingviolence/ncas summary final.pdf?la=en
 
Fuskier said:
Thank you for your interesting opinion. What kind of education do you propose? Any ideas on how to improve intelligence? Do you really believe that a higher socio-economic level protects women/men from domestic violence? I could go on, but I understand that the purpose of this thread is sleuthing the perpetrator named in msm, the circumstances of this tragic murder in sympathy for the victims, etc. I do not want to 'derail' the discussion into academic debate - if you know what I mean. Many different WS's most likely from differing socio-economic levels and levels of education and intelligence - come here to express interest/opinions as we join together and sleuth this tragic murder. My opinion only.
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I'm not really wanting to derail it further, either. This has been a bit of a continued response to the idea promulgated earlier in the thread that there is a spate of murders and that women were feeling they need to live in fear of randomly being selected for slaughter. There aren't and they shouldn't.

(But no, I'm not saying demographics are some kind of universal protector against violence. But the facts are clear to anyone who wants to look that certain segments of society are at phenomenally greater risk. I could give examples of specific places, but I won't as I'm not out to offend. Education starts at the ground up, teaching right from wrong from an early age. It lies primarily with the parents. Intelligence is improved through the application of long term social policy to improve the influx of individuals that will have a high social value to society (rather than just focussing on economic factors). As much as it isn't PC to say it, if you are a violent unemployed drunk, we need a way to stop you fathering an above-average number of children. Until society faces that uncomfortable fact, it is going to struggle. Anyway, I'll say no more on the subject as it is OT)
 
inspector rex said:
Of course, it is only speculation in this case that the person was drunk and or under the influence of drugs, but the following statistics indicate that alcohol is a significant factor in homicides.

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/rip/1-10/04.html

"Alcohol and homicide

Alcohol is also involved in a significant number of homicides. Recent research using the AIC's National Homicide Monitoring Program's (NHMP) database concluded that around half (47%) of all homicides in Australia between 2000 and 2006 were alcohol related (Dearden & Payne 2009). In this study, a homicide was classified as alcohol related if police had recorded the offender as having been drinking or drunk or toxicology reports showed the victim had consumed alcohol. In the majority of these homicides (60%), both the offender and victim had consumed alcohol. Other findings include:

male victims of homicide are significantly more likely than females to have consumed alcohol
alcohol-related homicides most frequently involvea male offender and victim who will likely know one another
almost half (44%) of all intimate partner homicides, and the majority (87%) of intimate partner homicides involving Indigenous people, are alcohol related
homicides occurring on weekends and in the hours between 6 pm and 6 am are more likely to involve alcohol
homicides in recreational settings are more likely to involve alcohol, although those incidents that occur in residential locations or on the street account for a greater proportion of alcohol-related homicides
alcohol is most frequently associated with those deaths involving physical altercations, blunt force injuries and stab wounds (Carcach & Conroy 2001; Darke & Duflou 2008; Dearden & Payne 2009)."
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When it comes to violence against women, drugs and alcohol may aggravate the violence, but they don't cause it. It is the ingrained beliefs of the person that lead to it, and those beliefs exist whether the person is under the influence of drugs/alcohol or not.
 
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