Found Deceased Australia - Stephanie Scott, 26, Leeton, NSW, 5 April 2015 - #1 *Arrests*

[Angeline]

Oh yeah, I remember seeing something about a witness account of a man walking along the road with a backpack on Monday. It was the same witness who saw him dump the laptop on Sunday. At first I thought it was sloppy reporting by the Daily Telegraph but the times and dates are completely different so they may have got it right:

Timeline (please repost and edit this as more info comes to light, or if there's anything left out.)

Sunday, 5 April:

11AM: Stephanie seen by another teacher/colleague collecting keys for the classroom/working on lesson plan (depending on which news site you read.)

11AM - 7.20PM: Police will allege Stephanie was killed between these times. “Sometime between 12 and 1pm on Easter Sunday something has happened. She would not just disappear,’’ her mother said.

12PM: Aaron tries to call Stephanie but it goes to voice mail.

12:59PM: E-mail sent from Stephanie about wedding bus.

4PM: Locals allegedly saw Stanford throw the laptop into the irrigation canal, on Griffith Rd. "His car was parked on the left hand side of Griffith Rd, facing west." A gasoline can is found nearby. The spot was 6.5km from where her car would be found abandoned.

7.55PM: Aaron calls the restaurant, "The Village", to cancel dinner booked for 7 or 8pm (inconsistent reports). He has already driven past the restaurant to look for her car, and hasn't seen her at home either. He texts some friends to check if they have seen her.


Monday 6 April:

AM: Aaron makes phone calls to her family in Canowindra, approx 3 hours away.

AM: Mr Lyons said he had seen a man walking along Griffith Rd towards Leeton on Monday morning. He said the man, wearing a backpack and T-shirt, closely resembled an image of Mr Stanford’s identical twin brother, who lives in Adelaide.
(http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...orth-of-griffith/story-fni0cx12-1227299375456)

AM or PM: Stanford's neighbours allege that they saw him washing clothes and spoke with him over the fence. He told them: "I've been quite busy, I've been working 120 hours a week because someone was away sick." (I can't find anything about whether the neighbours heard him come home.)

3PM: After calling Stephanie's mother and sister, Aaron reports Stephanie as missing.


Wednesday 8 April:

AM: Stephanie's family hire a helicopter to search for her car, concerned she has run off the road.

7.30PM: Stanford arrives home and is arrested. Police had found a camera with images of a burned body in Stanford's car, blood in his car and her keys in his house.


Thursday April 9:

AM: A Channel 9 helicopter spots Stephanie's car in a vineyard in Wamoon, 8km from Leeton.


Friday 10 April:

10AM: Police divers recover Stephanie's laptop.

5PM: Police find Stephanie's body at Cocoparra National Park, 75km from Leeton. Body is removed at 1am.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-together.html

http://www.theguardian.com/australia...issing-teacher

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...e2cb879c26afc7

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-s...ott-death.html

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1227294340843

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/stephanie-...09-1mhkxa.html

 

[Xantara]

My guess is that his computer will reveal a lot about him and his motives.

That's bit delayed for the police to remove a computer... Usually it's one of the first things they take.

 

[Amee]

NSW investigators will make inquiries with their counterparts in The Netherlands to check if the 24-year-old had any relevant history.

On Sunday, his house was no longer considered a crime scene

http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...y-of-nsw-teacher/story-e6frfku9-1227299512015

 

[they'll get you]

I agree. One thing that leads me to think it was pre-planned is the fact that he LIVED with his brother & mother. I don't believe it has been reported where they were that day, but he would have needed the house to himself and as such had an idea of their movements ahead of time. The business with the cars still isn't adding up for me and I too feel like there was some kind of rouse to get her to follow him.

He might have said I've got a wedding present for you at home.

 

[they'll get you]

Easter fires (paasvuren) are held in rural areas in the northern and eastern parts of the Netherlands.

http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paasvuur&prev=search

Oh my.

 

[emirates1957]

Except that they simply aren't. Look at the stats back close to thirty years and the murder rate has dropped year on year. I'll accept that there is a lot of general violence (particularly domestic), but the murder rate is miniscule, and I'm pretty sure it didn't just go ballistic in 2014 after dropping more-or-less continuously for the previous quarter century, so the 2013 vs 2014 figures is neither here nor there.

And simple maths shows that the murder rate used by the NTS article is still tiny (one can extrapolate the figures out for a whole year -- which is what I did to figure out the annual and lifetime risk numbers).

In Australia, you are at far more risk of dying due to pretty much any other cause than being murdered. This isn't PNG or Iraq or South America. I don't know why people want to kid themselves into thinking it is.

With all due respect metapraxis02, tell that to somebody who has lost a loved one or touched by domestic violence. Percentages mean absolutely nothing, all most embarrassing to mention those figures.

 

[Xantara]

NSW investigators will make inquiries with their counterparts in The Netherlands to check if the 24-year-old had any relevant history.

On Sunday, his house was no longer considered a crime scene

http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...y-of-nsw-teacher/story-e6frfku9-1227299512015

The mother and brother are currently in hiding in a motel near Leeton, from where they have reportedly spent many hours assisting police. I wonder whether they will ever return to that house? Or Leeton indeed? Or even remain in Australia after this?
Whilst I think people value the fact that they are helping the police, it will be very awkward for them to mix with the same community again is what I am thinking.

 

[Fence Sitter]

Oh yeah, I remember seeing something about a witness account of a man walking along the road with a backpack on Monday. It was the same witness who saw him dump the laptop on Sunday. At first I thought it was sloppy reporting by the Daily Telegraph but the times and dates are completely different so they may have got it right:

Timeline (please repost and edit this as more info comes to light, or if there's anything left out.)

Sunday, 5 April:

11AM: Stephanie seen by another teacher/colleague collecting keys for the classroom/working on lesson plan (depending on which news site you read.)

11AM - 7.20PM: Police will allege Stephanie was killed between these times. “Sometime between 12 and 1pm on Easter Sunday something has happened. She would not just disappear,’’ her mother said.

12PM: Aaron tries to call Stephanie but it goes to voice mail.

12:59PM: E-mail sent from Stephanie about wedding bus.

4PM: Locals allegedly saw Stanford throw the laptop into the irrigation canal, on Griffith Rd. "His car was parked on the left hand side of Griffith Rd, facing west." A gasoline can is found nearby. The spot was 6.5km from where her car would be found abandoned.

7.55PM: Aaron calls the restaurant, "The Village", to cancel dinner booked for 7 or 8pm (inconsistent reports). He has already driven past the restaurant to look for her car, and hasn't seen her at home either. He texts some friends to check if they have seen her.


Monday 6 April:

AM: Aaron makes phone calls to her family in Canowindra, approx 3 hours away.

AM: Mr Lyons said he had seen a man walking along Griffith Rd towards Leeton on Monday morning.

He said the man, wearing a backpack and T-shirt, closely resembled an image of Mr Stanford’s identical twin brother, who lives in Adelaide.
(http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...orth-of-griffith/story-fni0cx12-1227299375456)

AM or PM: Stanford's neighbours allege that they saw him washing clothes and spoke with him over the fence. He told them: "I've been quite busy, I've been working 120 hours a week because someone was away sick." (I can't find anything about whether the neighbours heard him come home.)

3PM: After calling Stephanie's mother and sister, Aaron reports Stephanie as missing.


Wednesday 8 April:

AM: Stephanie's family hire a helicopter to search for her car, concerned she has run off the road.

7.30PM: Stanford arrives home and is arrested. Police had found a camera with images of a burned body in Stanford's car, blood in his car and her keys in his house.


Thursday April 9:

AM: A Channel 9 helicopter spots Stephanie's car in a vineyard in Wamoon, 8km from Leeton.


Friday 10 April:

10AM: Police divers recover Stephanie's laptop.

5PM: Police find Stephanie's body at Cocoparra National Park, 75km from Leeton. Body is removed at 1am.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-together.html

http://www.theguardian.com/australia...issing-teacher

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...e2cb879c26afc7

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-s...ott-death.html

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1227294340843

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/stephanie-...09-1mhkxa.html

He really said he was working 120 hours a week.... Is that even possible lol????

So the same man saw him on Sunday dump the ipad and then again on Monday walking towards town with a backpack.
Police dont know where she was murdered or where the car was previously. Im guessing theres a spot along that road somewhere that all of this was carried out.
After she was murdered she was transported to where he burnt her.
ARGH I DONT KNOW!!!!!

 

[Fence Sitter]

Does someone have a current map with
Where her remains where found
Where the ipad was found
Where the car was found?

 

[they'll get you]

The mother and brother are currently in hiding in a motel near Leeton, from where they have reportedly spent many hours assisting police. I wonder whether they will ever return to that house? Or Leeton indeed? Or even remain in Australia after this?
Whilst I think people value the fact that they are helping the police, it will be very awkward for them to mix with the same community again is what I am thinking.

Especially if they were hiding potential problems with their son.

 

[suzyjackson]

I think VS is probably on the Aspergers spectrum, perfectly capable of holding down a job but socially inept.
Seems odd that a normal 24 year old would choose to live with his mother in a small town.
He was cunning enough to try and hide any evidence, so I can't see him leaving Stephanie's car at his house overnight, I think the car was just missed.
It will not surprise me if we find out this guy spent most of his life playing fantasy games on computer.
Would be fascinating to know more about his identical twin.

I was just going to post something similar.

I see that VS is a big guy, maybe if he's mentally incapacitated in some way he didn't know his own strength and hurt/strangled Stephanie accidentally His thoughts are then to get rid of any evidence, burn the body, hide the car, dump the ipad but he doesn't have the smarts to do any of these things properly.

The mum and family realise pretty early that it could be him and help the police in an attempt to help VS and almost save him from himself.

It may be a cultural difference but to me the description of oneself as a professional gamer means that you play games almost as a job (and I know people do actually make a living from it), there's no suggestion that you are involved in the development side of things and, at the risk of stereotyping, a lot of the people who do this could be classed as social inadequates.

Maybe this isn't a known thing for the Australian posters but as a European I don't find it unusual at all and might well fit with someone acting out something from a game.

JMO

 

[suzyjackson]

This case reminds me a little of the Joanna Yeates case in the UK where 32yo Vincent Tabak was found guilty of her murder. He was born in Holland and had had little experience with women in his younger years. He met his first girlfriend in the UK on a dating site in his late 20s and had a secret interest in violent *advertiser censored*. It appeared to many that he had aspie traits as he was a late developer, and a loner misinterpreting Joanna's friendliness with flirtatiousness. He tried to kiss her and when she screamed, he strangled her then hid her body.

I wonder if the police have VS' computer and have found anything revealing on it (assuming he had a computer).

Snap Estelle, I made an almost identical post too (it was a few pages back, I know this is a fast moving thread so don't expect you to have seen it).

It was almost the first thing I thought when I read about poor Stephanie

 

[Liadan]

120 Hours is crazy !!!
I once worked 106 hours in a week and was nearly dead by the end of it- is this his 'alibi' so busy with work too he was busy to carry out a murder ?! More likely stalking females using his cleaning work as an excuse to scope out his prey. Revolting vile creature.

 

[Trooper]

I get the overwhelming nuance out of Leeton that the Detectives and local police force, etc are a bit gobsmacked with this Vincent. They seem to be getting nothing, nothing from him, bits and pieces from the mum and bro.. its as if Vincent has dropped from the sky. Whatever moves forward they make have nothing to do with Vincent, he appears to be completely out of the loop and all enquiries and investigatory work is moving along with out his input...as if he has already been dismissed as a useless prevaricator and not worth the time of day... a lot of effort being put in by the local constabulary in protecting the Mum and Bro, too.. keeping them way under the radar. Not a peep of leaked info or anything resembling info out of anyone from Leeton in regards to VS..

No one has bobbed up from Griffith or Leeton having shared a quiet beer with VS or even an online buddy, nothing nothing nothing.... this bloke is something else.......

 

[Ragman]

There was a house fire on Errey Rd Leeton around 2am Easter Monday morning. It was reported that the owner was away camping with family over the long weekend.

 

[suzyjackson]

I agree. One thing that leads me to think it was pre-planned is the fact that he LIVED with his brother & mother. I don't believe it has been reported where they were that day, but he would have needed the house to himself and as such had an idea of their movements ahead of time. The business with the cars still isn't adding up for me and I too feel like there was some kind of rouse to get her to follow him.

Not only would he have needed to know what his family were going to be doing he would also needed to have known what Stephanie planned, to me that's not likely. I think this was an opportunistic crime.

 

[catswhiskers]

As much as it would be nice if they tried to keep quiet about the School being a crime scent, I very much doubt in a town the size of Leeton a forensic van and officers could properly examine the school without being noticed by somebody, including Media and townsfolk.

Yes, I imagine that has already happened in the past week - I was thinking more in terms of if the actual murder took place in some part of the school. I think it would be very difficult for students and parents could just carry on and use whatever area/room/facility as usual. Anyway - it's just conjecture on my part obviously, and perhaps not relevant at all.

 

[alioop]

I have found archived real estate pictures of the house showing the yard, front and rear and the inside. It has a carport and a garage so 2 places to hide her car. You can see the big hills hoist clothesline which would hold a lot of washing.

http://www.domain.com.au/property/for-sale/house/nsw/leeton/?adid=2010990863

For easy comparison, I have linked an article below that if you scroll nearly to the end there is a photo of the crime scene house.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...-man-over-murder/story-fni0cx12-1227296382068

 

[they'll get you]

Does someone have a current map with
Where her remains where found
Where the ipad was found
Where the car was found?

This may help. Half way down this there is a map. Some of the info on locations is there.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/body-of-leeton-teacher-stephanie-scott-found-police-20150411-1mitdn.html

 

[alioop]

Also have been thinking about his mother and brother talking to police when VS got home. The police would have spoken to him and arrested him. Maybe his family spoke to him and asked him what he knew. Perhaps it was obvious to his family from his reaction that he was responsible. Family know how to read each other and tell when they are lying.

This could be why, even without any prior trouble in the Netherlands, they assisted police as they were not in denial.

Edit. Maybe he had some injuries that Stephanie inflicted in self defence. Stephanie would have likely put up a fight if she could. Maybe he had scratches like Gerard Baden Clay had on his face and neck. Or maybe he had some burns from the fire.