Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, 31 May 2019 #4

[ChatteringBirds]

Reality is brutal when you realize how many times someone is found like this yet there are multiple people they could turn out to be.

 

[mussopossum]

Reality is brutal when you realize how many times someone is found like this yet there are multiple people they could turn out to be.

Sure is

I would like to know how they could have assessed that it belonged to a 20 year old male though in the first day. How is that even possible without proper testing and a specialist

 

[SouthAussie]

Sure is

I would like to know how they could have assessed that it belonged to a 20 year old male though in the first day. How is that even possible without proper testing and a specialist

I guess we don't know if an expert gave a visual estimation on the first day, before the jawbone was sent for forensic testing.

Scientists can determine the approximate age of a person by the size of their teeth.
What Teeth Can Tell Us

Males have a square jawline and the line between the outer edge of the jaw and the ear is vertical. Conversely, in females the jaw is much more pointed and the edge of the jaw slopes gently towards the ear.
Identifying the sex of a skull

 

[Chiatos]

It is a long distance but very possible. The Bundaberg missing diver's bone was found a similar distance away and this distance was traveled in a much shorter time. https://www.smh.com.au/national/missing-queensland-diver-s-leg-found-hundreds-of-kilometres-south-in-nsw-20191221-p53m5n.html#:~:text=The leg bone of missing,south on a NSW beach.&text=Mr Page had been free,when he failed to surface.

OK, but do sea currents flow from BB to Umina Beach?
And: Umina Beach is located in the delta of the Hawkesbury river ....

 

[BusterXP]

OK, but do sea currents flow from BB to Umina Beach?
And: Umina Beach is located in the delta of the Hawkesbury river ....

Umina is 33.5 deg S.
"The East Australian Current (EAC) is the southward western boundary current that is formed from the South Equatorial Current (SEC) crossing the Coral Sea and reaching the eastern coast of Australia. At around 15° S near the Australian coast the SEC divides forming the southward flow of the EAC. It is the largest ocean current close to the shores of Australia. The EAC reaches a maximum velocity at 30° S where its flow can reach 90 cm/s. As it flows southward it splits from the coast at around 31° to 32° S. By the time it reaches 33° S it begins to undergo a southward meander while another portion of the transport turns back northward in a tight recirculation. At this location the EAC reaches its maximum transport of nearly 35 Sv (35 billion liters per second).[1] The majority of the EAC flow that does not recirculate will move eastward into the Tasman Front... "
East Australian Current - Wikipedia

 

[Alerasienna]

So possible thinking point would love your views on matter.
Is there a possibility that the guy who had gone off his meds and had mental health concerns and was the same guy who deliberately hit the young man on the bike back in June 2019. Is it possible he could have had something to do with Theos case in May 2019

 

[SootyForrest]

Can you share a link to the news article about the incident you’re describing?

 

[Alerasienna]

Can you share a link to the news article about the incident you’re describing?

Man accused of fatal hit and run resprayed van, court told
ok so back story on this and why i am asking this question. None of this may be relevant but felt it was worth a thought anyway.
I recently watched a TikTok video from a woman who claims she used to say hello to a man around Byron Bay.
This man was mentally unstable, she claims he had gone off his medication weeks earlier, and had even come to her workplace yelling at her. She claimed this same man was found to have been involved in a hit and run saying he knew this young guy rode his bike at same time and implied it was deliberate.
This immediately peaked my interest and so referred back to when Theo went missing. It was around the same time, within a month.

 

[SootyForrest]

Ok, the news article is behind a paywall. And i cannot find an article that isn’t behind one as the Echo article has been deleted.
Can you share it from a different source?
And do you have the TikTok video?

 

[HinterlandObserver]

So possible thinking point would love your views on matter.
Is there a possibility that the guy who had gone off his meds and had mental health concerns and was the same guy who deliberately hit the young man on the bike back in June 2019. Is it possible he could have had something to do with Theos case in May 2019

Was this the Accident in main arm involving a delica van you’re referring to?
https://www.tweeddailynews.com.au/news/police-identify-van-involved-in-hit-and-run-death/3780922/

MAN CHARGED AFTER NORTHERN RIVERS FATAL HIT AND RUN | NBN News

 

[Alerasienna]

Was this the Accident in main arm involving a delica van you’re referring to?
https://www.tweeddailynews.com.au/news/police-identify-van-involved-in-hit-and-run-death/3780922/

MAN CHARGED AFTER NORTHERN RIVERS FATAL HIT AND RUN | NBN News

Yes thats the one

 

[Alerasienna]

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I just thought if this guy had been spiraling out of control for awhile and hanging around the coffee shops and town maybe she wasnt the only one he spoke to and watched and followed.
I dont know the town, have never been there, and dont know any of the locals or these people so unsure if this is a common thing atound town. I only know what ive read about Theos case.

 

[HinterlandObserver]

Thanks. Sorry im new to the site and didnt know how to do this.

That’s ok great find.
A white delica van is entirely inconspicuous in Byron bay. It’s the campers weapon of choice to be honest, they are literally everywhere so if one was parked near rec grounds in Tennyson st it could have easily not been noticed there or leaving town if involved in some way.
The driver involved came forward two months later in Coffs Harbour.
Which then also lends possibility of the sighting by the side of the road near there to be potentially legit. Could have been a bungled disposal attempt as he was spotted?

Definitely a strange incident. May or may not be related but certainly worth exploring.

 

[Alerasienna]

That’s ok great find.
A white delica van is entirely inconspicuous in Byron bay. It’s the campers weapon of choice to be honest, they are literally everywhere so if one was parked near rec grounds in Tennyson st it could have easily not been noticed there or leaving town if involved in some way.
The driver involved came forward two months later in Coffs Harbour.
Which then also lends possibility of the sighting by the side of the road near there to be potentially legit. Could have been a bungled disposal attempt as he was spotted?

Definitely a strange incident. May or may not be related but certainly worth exploring.

Absolutely, i totally agree. And Theo seemed to be quite a friendly guy who would have maybe talked to anyone. And would be totally vunerable being a young backpacker wandering alone lost at night. And given how this guys train of thought was going while in psychosis. It got me thinking he may have been building up to that point for a while.

 

[HinterlandObserver]

Absolutely, i totally agree. And Theo seemed to be quite a friendly guy who would have maybe talked to anyone. And would be totally vunerable being a young backpacker wandering alone lost at night. And given how this guys train of thought was going while in psychosis. It got me thinking he may have been building up to that point for a while.

I wonder if the man knew French as a side note.

IMO, whether or not Theo was with the phone (which I’m doubting), it is certainly a possibility that someone who seems to be a local of sorts and in that state may have known the route to Cosey corner that the phone took and possibly even the camps and their inhabitants. And if paranoid and or under the influence could have done it at speed.
Paranoia could also explain the “doubling back” on Cowper st, and the constant checking of maps that doesn’t make sense.
Theo could have been restrained in a vehicle at the rec grounds, Someone might have gone on a paranoid mission with his phone, maybe they returned back to the van and left the next day after the last ping?

It’s not the most outrageous concept at all.

Bringing it back to the posts above about current, I wonder what they are like between Coffs and Umina. If there was potential it may have been him by the side of the road before somehow making it to the ocean?

 

[Alerasienna]

I wonder if the man knew French as a side note.

IMO, whether or not Theo was with the phone (which I’m doubting), it is certainly a possibility that someone who seems to be a local of sorts and in that state may have known the route to Cosey corner that the phone took and possibly even the camps and their inhabitants. And if paranoid and or under the influence could have done it at speed.
Paranoia could also explain the “doubling back” on Cowper st, and the constant checking of maps that doesn’t make sense.
Theo could have been restrained in a vehicle at the rec grounds, Someone might have gone on a paranoid mission with his phone, maybe they returned back to the van and left the next day after the last ping?

It’s not the most outrageous concept at all.

Bringing it back to the posts above about current, I wonder what they are like between Coffs and Umina. If there was potential it may have been him by the side of the road before somehow making it to the ocean?

I also dont think Theo had his phone. To show that the path went around the camps, no backpacker would have known to do that. But another camper or local would have.
And in the lighthouse podcast the homeless man that workers knew by nickname left the camp before the search party got to the bush area. This camp was supposedly where Theo entered the beach. Or at least his phone did anyway.
Could it be the same man? If he was from Coffs Habour he may have stayed at Byron camping on and off. And given his mental state it does seem a feasible thing to do to camp out. His psychosis may indicate a non compliance with medication, maybe because of paranoia, conspiracy theories?? Would be interesting to know the person in questions movements for couple of months prior to the hit and run.

Im not sure of currents along that coast. I would assume that would be local knowledge. But also very feasible to go into the water and never be found. But i think the water is not the direction this case takes.

 

[HinterlandObserver]

I also dont think Theo had his phone. To show that the path went around the camps, no backpacker would have known to do that. But another camper or local would have.
And in the lighthouse podcast the homeless man that workers knew by nickname left the camp before the search party got to the bush area. This camp was supposedly where Theo entered the beach. Or at least his phone did anyway.
Could it be the same man? If he was from Coffs Habour he may have stayed at Byron camping on and off. And given his mental state it does seem a feasible thing to do to camp out. His psychosis may indicate a non compliance with medication, maybe because of paranoia, conspiracy theories?? Would be interesting to know the person in questions movements for couple of months prior to the hit and run.

Im not sure of currents along that coast. I would assume that would be local knowledge. But also very feasible to go into the water and never be found. But i think the water is not the direction this case takes.

Hypothetically fits.. If not the same person, the missing homeless man may know him and or what happened and fled to avoid it all.

 

[SootyForrest]

Byron Bay and the surrounding area has a lot of unhinged people around on a daily basis. Very interesting story and what a detail of the guy being arrested in Coffs Harbour.

If this was the guy and he was continuously driving around, i would bet they met at a coffee place that has free parking. Like the places around the hostel he was staying.

 

[HinterlandObserver]

Wake Up! Byron Bay
25 Childe St, Byron Bay NSW 2481
(02) 6685 7868
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There are about 3 to 4 beach access/car parks along that road, one exactly across the road from wake up (see maps link).

That’s definitely possible they could have even met in passing that way as I believe it’s still free to park there, and campers often move from one free parking spot to another.
There’s also a cafe and restaurant either side of wake up.

 

[Alerasienna]

Absolutely agree. And maybe Theo getting kicked out of the bar proved to be an opportunistic grab. Whos to say they hadnt met and talked at coffee shop or casually in passing. Certainly wouldnt have raised any alarm bells for Theo to be offered a ride back to hostel by someone he had talked to before.