Australia - Todd Mooney, 54, Kirra Mooney, 10, died in shed fire, Biggenden Qld, 20 Dec 2022

[Ellery84]

That's not arson causing death, that's deliberate. Homicide using fire as your murder weapon.

This is just MOO but I think.... that either one or two weapons may have been used.

It would presumably difficult for a 24 year old woman working alone to subdue a grown man and a 10 year old child. Allegedly.

I hope I’m my heart that fire wasn’t the weapon. Allegedly. Gosh this case is so terribly sad.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

The autopsies seemed to make it clear that they were murdered.

Were there any injuries on their bodies, or remnants of cloth showing they'd been tied up, or could they detect petrol on or in their bodies.

It had to be more than just the fire.

And yes, somehow they were unable to escape

 

[iamshadow21]

This is just MOO but I think.... that either one or two weapons may have been used.

It would presumably difficult for a 24 year old woman working alone to subdue a grown man and a 10 year old child. Allegedly.

I hope I’m my heart that fire wasn’t the weapon. Allegedly. Gosh this case is so terribly sad.

Yeah, I suspect, if it wasn't the fire that killed them, they were found with gunshot or blunt trauma injuries.

My brain keeps spinning scenarios that aren't helpful, but all seem more likely than them being unimpeded and uninjured and just not getting out.

I also have an awful feeling that Todd may have been the target, and she might not have known Kirra was there. It was a big shed. I could see her attacking Todd and torching the place to cover it... and Kirra being in another area of the building and being unable to get out.

I really hope I'm wrong. I hope it was something like a gun, and quick as a flash, or if it was the fire, that it was the smoke. Swift unconsciousness. I hope for that kind of grim mercy, rather than the fire directly.

 

[Ellery84]

Please delete if not allowed.

The funeral notice published by Kirsten Robinson:

Bec and family would like to invite the community, their family and friends to honour the lives of Todd and Kirra Mooney.

Funeral to be held at Des Alan Funerals in the Chapel at 7 Phoebe Crescent, Bundaberg on Friday 20th January 2023 at 9am

The family appreciates everyone’s kindness and words of comfort but out of respect for family and friends there is a strict NO MEDIA PRESENCE and any media who arrive will be made leave.

 

[iamshadow21]

Please delete if not allowed.

The funeral notice published by Kirsten Robinson:

Bec and family would like to invite the community, their family and friends to honour the lives of Todd and Kirra Mooney.

Funeral to be held at Des Alan Funerals in the Chapel at 7 Phoebe Crescent, Bundaberg on Friday 20th January 2023 at 9am

The family appreciates everyone’s kindness and words of comfort but out of respect for family and friends there is a strict NO MEDIA PRESENCE and any media who arrive will be made leave.

I really hope the media respect this.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I really hope the media respect this.

I wouldn't put anything past some media.

I wouldn''t even be surprised, if they couldn't get near the funeral, that they might send a drone to take pics.

 

[iamshadow21]

I wouldn't put anything past some media.

I wouldn''t even be surprised, if they couldn't get near the funeral, that they might send a drone to take pics.

I'm up to just after New Year on the Moscow threads, so just after the arrest and Maddie and Kaylee's Celebration of Life. Media were barred from their service, but there was at least one reporter with a camera crew set up just outside the front door of the building, reporting live.

I know US and Australia are a bit different with media, but we're not much better. Worse in some ways, <modsnip: Criticizing a WS-approved source.>. Unfortunately, 'if it bleeds, it reads'.

 

[Ellery84]

I wouldn't put anything past some media.

I wouldn''t even be surprised, if they couldn't get near the funeral, that they might send a drone to take pics.

Can almost hear the Clickety Clack of the desk staff keyboards, as flights to Bundaberg are hastily booked for eager journalists, and for those not so eager, but alas sent by their respective editors anyway.

 

[YaYa_521]

MOD NOTE:

Discuss the case, not the credibility of the sources. We have a lot of approved sources here - it's your choice how much credence you give to each of them, but don't clog the thread with that discussion.

 

[mussopossum]

I first heard about it within a few hours of her being named.
But just on another forum, not main stream media so of course I couldn't post it here.

The news outlets quite often have their own investigative journalists, or know more than they're able to publish.

I feel sympathy for her family. It must be a terrible shock

I feel sorry for Kristen's sister Sam who changed her name obviously to avoid any unwanted attention however Daily Mail then not only publishes the name she changed to but also where her business is.

Also the knowing the woman is just next door whom your sister allegedly murdered her child and to be husband that must hit hard too

 

[Ellery84]

I feel sorry for Kristen's sister Sam who changed her name obviously to avoid any unwanted attention however Daily Mail then not only publishes the name she changed to but also where her business is.

Also the knowing the woman is just next door whom your sister allegedly murdered her child and to be husband that must hit hard too

Personally I wouldn’t have published the sisters name, I would have just said her business location is next door to Bakery business one of the victims. But jmo.

It’s a small town, they may not have many shopfronts in the entire town.

Jmo - It’s probably just a big coincidence.

(I have actually read since that the sister doesn’t actually operate her beauty salon from that location, but when I look at her business Facebook profile it says otherwise - publishing the address directly next to where the Bakery is.)

Either way, is it the sister Sam’s fault that the other sister Kristen is an accused double murderer, thief and arsonist? Were the two sisters even on speaking terms at the time of the alleged incident? I found nothing much in Kristen’s many social media platform linking her to her sister or even suggesting that she has a sister.

MOO

I think they (the two sisters) were estranged.

 

[mussopossum]

There are probably things we don't know, that the police do. Things I have considered since this story broke include - why were an adult man and his daughter who is closer to teenage than to a babe in arms, unable to escape?

I strongly suspect that we are not being told something like - she barricaded them in. And then lit the place up. That's not arson causing death, that's deliberate. Homicide using fire as your murder weapon.

Very much MOO.

IMO only... I am reading into the below police reports and IMO I wonder if the two were already dead before the fire.

From watching this and other initial reports from police interviews.
How did it turn from a tragic accident to murder? The detective then quotes in particular the post-mortem of the human remains.
They say in this report on 7 news "police will not confirm how the two were killed" however today (29th DEC) 22 SES VOL were called in to search bushland for clues.
SES member Brian Lowe then goes on to say "searching for possibly a knife, a gun, an iron bar.
A detective then goes on to say "We have had ballistics experts out here as well...

MSN

This report also quotes that "State Emergency Service (SES) volunteers are searching the area for evidence, including possible weapons.
Detective Inspector Pettiford said investigations had "not concluded yet".
"We're looking for anything – whether it be a firearm, a knife – just anything unusual that may have been thrown into the grass," he said.
"We believe there is a third party involved."
SES North Burnett controller Brian Lowe said 22 volunteers were part of the forensic search team.

"We look for something that shouldn't be there — possibly a knife, a gun, an iron bar. We don't know … there's a lot of questions unanswered."

​

 

[Ellery84]

MSM has stated that Kristen Olsen (who refers to herself by the moniker “Krispin” in at least two of her social media profiles) drove down from Cairns to Maryborough to relocate in the months before the alleged murders occurred.

<modsnip - images/content from the Social Media account of someone who is not a victim or POI>

 

[mussopossum]

This is just MOO but I think.... that either one or two weapons may have been used.

It would presumably difficult for a 24 year old woman working alone to subdue a grown man and a 10 year old child. Allegedly.

I hope I’m my heart that fire wasn’t the weapon. Allegedly. Gosh this case is so terribly sad.

The fact that a detective quoted in an interview that the Ballistics team have been at the scene...

What is the role of ballistics?


Ballistics is the forensic science dealing with firearms and firearm projectiles. Specifically, the field of ballistics is concerned with identifying specific marks a firearm makes on a bullet, the angle of trajectory at which a bullet travels after being fired, and the damage a bullet causes when it strikes a surface.

 

[Ellery84]

This report also quotes that "State Emergency Service (SES) volunteers are searching the area for evidence, including possible weapons.
Detective Inspector Pettiford said investigations had "not concluded yet".
"We're looking for anything – whether it be a firearm, a knife – just anything unusual that may have been thrown into the grass," he said

BBM

I wonder why police and SES were looking for a firearm and a knife specifically?

I am going to hypothesise that post-mortem results revealed or suggested that the cause of death of each of the tragic victims was consistent with a weapon of some sort.

All MOO.

 

[Ellery84]

The fact that a detective quoted in an interview that the Ballistics team have been at the scene...

What is the role of ballistics?


Ballistics is the forensic science dealing with firearms and firearm projectiles. Specifically, the field of ballistics is concerned with identifying specific marks a firearm makes on a bullet, the angle of trajectory at which a bullet travels after being fired, and the damage a bullet causes when it strikes a surface.

Gosh, that would have been quite a mission for the ballistics team, considering the extent of the damage to the shed as a result of fire.

I wonder if there has been an inter-agency response here, due to the complexity of the crime and the fact that the crime scene was in such bad shape? Jmo.

 

[mussopossum]

Gosh, that would have been quite a mission for the ballistics team, considering the extent of the damage to the shed as a result of fire.

I wonder if there has been an inter-agency response here, due to the complexity of the crime and the fact that the crime scene was in such bad shape? Jmo.

Who knows,

 

[mussopossum]

BBM

I wonder why police and SES were looking for a firearm and a knife specifically?

I am going to hypothesise that post-mortem results revealed or suggested that the cause of death of each of the tragic victims was consistent with a weapon of some sort.

All MOO.

From those exact police interviews and reports it is something I strongly considered might have happened.

 

[Ellery84]

* Trigger warning *

This is a hard post to write, but it might share some insight into a possible life-altering event for Kristen Olsen.

On her personal Instagram page, Kristen writes “be as you are, the journey gets lighter”
“Forever in our hearts” “Blake Rick Dallas Houston”. The post is dated 19 March, 2021.

The screen-shot is attached to this post.


My first search of this person came up with a drink driving offence, as linked in the Courier Mail.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/news...s/news-story/972fdd3843d66331e8baa84e222b5199

But then a tragic twist - see below from 7 News...

7 News Wide Bay video:

Aired 12 Nov 2020:

Facebookhttps://m.facebook.com › ... › VideosHeartbroken family speak out for first time since father took his own life | Facebook

According to 7 News: In February 2020, Blake Rick Dallas Houston was seriously assaulted with a baseball bat. Amongst other injuries, he had 11 fractures including fractures to his skull, and nerve damage. Sadly, Blake Rick Dallas Houston, a young father and presumably someone important to Kristen Olsen, committed suicide on October 21, 2020.

The loss of any young person is incredibly tragic. I wonder what impact this loss had on Kirsten?

 

[ScottToorak]

* Trigger warning *

This is a hard post to write, but it might share some insight into a possible life-altering event for Kristen Olsen.

On her personal Instagram page, Kristen writes “be as you are, the journey gets lighter”
“Forever in our hearts” “Blake Rick Dallas Houston”. The post is dated 19 March, 2021.

The screen-shot is attached to this post.


My first search of this person came up with a drink driving offence, as linked in the Courier Mail.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/news...s/news-story/972fdd3843d66331e8baa84e222b5199

But then a tragic twist - see below from 7 News...

7 News Wide Bay video:

Aired 12 Nov 2020:

Facebookhttps://m.facebook.com › ... › VideosHeartbroken family speak out for first time since father took his own life | Facebook

According to 7 News: In February 2020, Blake Rick Dallas Houston was seriously assaulted with a baseball bat. Amongst other injuries, he had 11 fractures including fractures to his skull, and nerve damage. Sadly, Blake Rick Dallas Houston, a young father and presumably someone important to Kristen Olsen, committed suicide on October 21, 2020.

The loss of any young person is incredibly tragic. I wonder what impact this loss had on Kirsten?

was the fire victim a suspect in the bashing of her friend who subsequently took his own life?