Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #11

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Karinna said:
I just think being on a jury is such a daunting task for people that have no knowledge of legalities in very serious cases like murder. And they take that task seriously for the most part especially when trying to determine guilt or innocence of another human being.
I think you made a very good suggestion as well with a foreperson.
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I'm absolutely in agreement with the whole idea. You wouldn't get jurors posting on social media either.
 
Trooper said:
the coroner investigates, or not, as the case may be, but his brief now is to decide in what manner Warriena met her unexpected death. .Apart from the injuries she received from her fall, the coroner will investigate the matters leading up to that. ..

Tostee could attend the Coroners inquest, there is nothing that would stop him from doing so, legally. He doesn't have to make any statements, either. .. even if he wanted to, ( that is so remote a possibility ) it may not be germane to the Coroners inquest.
Until the coroner makes his decision, Warriena's death is adjudicated 'undecided'. .. it is unlikely that the coroner will call her death as murder.. He / she could if another suspect turns up but the recording doesn't indicate that. The coroner cant state that Gabe murdered her .

Until this matter takes place, Warriena's family do not have a death certificate, necessary for so many aspects of their lives from now on. Bills, wills, drivers licence, qualifications, debts, property, annuities, all the things one has to have a death certificate for have been delayed while this matter went to the criminal court.

And the manner of her death makes a difference, ... eg, he/she might call her death a suicide, .. ( I don't see any evidence to support that ) and that has a great bearing if she held insurance polices on her life. .. The Coroner could call it death by misadventure ( which I think he/she will ) accidental death, so to speak.. this covers a lot of the aspects of her death.
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Thankyou for explaining it all Trooper. So it's normal procedure. A interim death certificate can be supplied to Warrienna's family and amended when there is a cause of death determined.
 
SouthAussie said:
That is a heck of a find, Natalie. Considering his many, many references to jumping, falling, throwing, balcony, balcony, balcony, on the recording.


"Gable Tostee had a mock up on his phone showing a chalk outline of a body at the base of his apartment building.
The sketch was similar to the kind of outlines which feature in murder scenes in American crime fiction stories.
While eerily prescient, this fact was not included in the brief of evidence as it was considered irrelevant and probably created in jest."

https://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/329...-investigators-but-was-kept-from-trial/#page1
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Irrelevant though, according to the Prosecution...
 
Trooper said:
the coroner investigates, or not, as the case may be, but his brief now is to decide in what manner Warriena met her unexpected death. .Apart from the injuries she received from her fall, the coroner will investigate the matters leading up to that. ..

Tostee could attend the Coroners inquest, there is nothing that would stop him from doing so, legally. He doesn't have to make any statements, either. .. even if he wanted to, ( that is so remote a possibility ) it may not be germane to the Coroners inquest.
Until the coroner makes his decision, Warriena's death is adjudicated 'undecided'. .. it is unlikely that the coroner will call her death as murder.. He / she could if another suspect turns up but the recording doesn't indicate that. The coroner cant state that Gabe murdered her .

Until this matter takes place, Warriena's family do not have a death certificate, necessary for so many aspects of their lives from now on. Bills, wills, drivers licence, qualifications, debts, property, annuities, all the things one has to have a death certificate for have been delayed while this matter went to the criminal court.

And the manner of her death makes a difference, ... eg, he/she might call her death a suicide, .. ( I don't see any evidence to support that ) and that has a great bearing if she held insurance polices on her life. .. The Coroner could call it death by misadventure ( which I think he/she will ) accidental death, so to speak.. this covers a lot of the aspects of her death.
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I think that the Coroner can compel a person to speak (if there is an inquest). But in doing so, they are unable to use that evidence against that person.
So Tostee could sit there and say 'yes, I scared the heck out of her, and no I didn't care that she was drunk and terrified' ... he could pretty much say anything ... and it would not be able to be used against him.


Compelled answers, even if incriminating, are only inadmissible against the witness who gives them; they can be used against co-accused or others.

the Act expressly abrogates the common law privilege of protection against selfincrimination and enables coroners to compel a witness to give selfincriminating answers. However, it does so at the cost of preventing evidence given under direction or evidence derived from it being used against the witness in any other proceeding.

http://www.courts.qld.gov.au/__data...0/osc-state-coroners-guidelines-chapter-9.pdf
 
Trooper said:
Until the coroner makes his decision, Warriena's death is adjudicated 'undecided'. .. it is unlikely that the coroner will call her death as murder.. He / she could if another suspect turns up but the recording doesn't indicate that. The coroner cant state that Gabe murdered her .

Until this matter takes place, Warriena's family do not have a death certificate, necessary for so many aspects of their lives from now on. Bills, wills, drivers licence, qualifications, debts, property, annuities, all the things one has to have a death certificate for have been delayed while this matter went to the criminal court.
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Wow, I had no idea there would be no death certificate as yet. What a massive inconvenience to her family - as if they didn't have enough problems to deal with.
 
Fluffykins said:
Wow, I had no idea there would be no death certificate as yet. What a massive inconvenience to her family - as if they didn't have enough problems to deal with.
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I had a death certificate issued for my husband before the coroner's findings were finalised.
 
Fluffykins said:
Wow, I had no idea there would be no death certificate as yet. What a massive inconvenience to her family - as if they didn't have enough problems to deal with.
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she has temporary one, one that is issued as a measure until the actual one is issued. It can do some of the jobs that need to be done, but the temp one doesn't include a reason, if I can call it that, for her death, in the legal sense, it only acknowledges her death on a particular date and time. As the date and time have a lot of bearing on all of Warriena's unfinished life business.
 
It was called something like busy busy beavers, but I don't think that's it. Hey it still might be around somewhere along with the cabbage patch kids, care bears, simple simon, magic merlin etc lol


Karinna said:
Whack an egg? :D
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