Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #4

[sosocurious]

Tostee's father Gray also submitted documents to the court , in which he said his son's alcohol usage began increasing after he turned 23 years.
Gable seems to get into some difficult situations due to alcohol and sometimes legal issues arose, he wrote.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ostee-ashamed-of-himself-20141203-11z3v2.html

Tostee had been treated by a psychiatrist since 2009 for ...........................................http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...trict-conditions/story-fnj94j0t-1227127491700

Just a little curious what difficult situation may have required that Tostee had been treated and whether this treatment was in fact on going for the 5 years since 2009 or situation focused.

 

[sosocurious]

IMO if it had been ongoing treatment wouldn't his lawyers have made reference to him being under treatment of a psychiatrist from the get go.

 

[loveamystery]

Tostee's father Gray also submitted documents to the court , in which he said his son's alcohol usage began increasing after he turned 23 years.
Gable seems to get into some difficult situations due to alcohol and sometimes legal issues arose, he wrote.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ostee-ashamed-of-himself-20141203-11z3v2.html

Tostee had been treated by a psychiatrist since 2009 for ...........................................http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...trict-conditions/story-fnj94j0t-1227127491700

Just a little curious what difficult situation may have required that Tostee had been treated and whether this treatment was in fact on going for the 5 years since 2009 or situation focused.

That's the same phrase I was quoting from a different source. Why didn't you complete it?

Tostee has been treated by a psychiatrist since 2009 for “insecure social anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder and depression”, Judge Mullins said.

He also has a history of attention deficit disorder.
http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/accused-murderer-gable-tostee-to-be-granted-bail-to-live-at-his-parents-carrara-home-under-strict-conditions/story-fnj94j0t-1227127491700

Many other MSM omitted "been treated since 2009". It stood out to me as very relevant. That's why I searched back for the full statement. I knew it was there. It was made by the Judge at his bail hearing. They left it out because it doesn't fit their narrative. We're very used to this kind of thing in the US.

I'm not defending this guy. I just started reading about the case, so I'm sort of cramming. When I read something in an article and then no one else mentions it, it nags at me.

"Has been treated since 2009" means to me that he's been put on medication by a single doctor. We may well hear he has a long history of seeing psychiatrists. A doctor may have said "autism" at some point, and another diagnosed attention deficit disorder. We'll only get the full story under testimony.

 

[sosocurious]

That's the same phrase I was quoting from a different source. Why didn't you complete it?


Many other MSM omitted "been treated since 2009". It stood out to me as very relevant. That's why I searched back for the full statement. I knew it was there. It was made by the Judge at his bail hearing. They left it out because it doesn't fit their narrative. We're very used to this kind of thing in the US.

I'm not defending this guy. I just started reading about the case, so I'm sort of cramming. When I read something in an article and then no one else mentions it, it nags at me.

"Has been treated since 2009" means to me that he's been put on medication by a single doctor. We may well hear he has a long history of seeing psychiatrists. A doctor may have said "autism" at some point, and another diagnosed attention deficit disorder. We'll only get the full story under testimony.

I didn't complete it because it has been mentioned many times during the threads as recently as post #470 by Amee and reference attached.

My point being if he were either compliant or non - compliant with psychiatric intervention and/or medication as you mention, I just wonder why it was left to the prosecution to raise the possibility of a diagnosis (whatever it was) and not his legal team. Particularly if he has a long history as you mention.
IMO

 

[Amee]

That's the same phrase I was quoting from a different source. Why didn't you complete it?


Many other MSM omitted "been treated since 2009". It stood out to me as very relevant. That's why I searched back for the full statement. I knew it was there. It was made by the Judge at his bail hearing. They left it out because it doesn't fit their narrative. We're very used to this kind of thing in the US.

I'm not defending this guy. I just started reading about the case, so I'm sort of cramming. When I read something in an article and then no one else mentions it, it nags at me.

"Has been treated since 2009" means to me that he's been put on medication by a single doctor. We may well hear he has a long history of seeing psychiatrists. A doctor may have said "autism" at some point, and another diagnosed attention deficit disorder. We'll only get the full story under testimony.

thread #3 has a lot of talk regarding the Autism diagnosis. Isis spoke a lot about it. (she is Verified )

 

[SouthAussie]

"Has been treated since 2009" means to me that he's been put on medication by a single doctor.

RSBM: Being treated by/seeing a psychiatrist does not necessarily mean that a person is on medication. Especially if it is his confirmed OCD or social anxiety that he is being treated for.

A psychiatrist could have been seeing him once a month, once every few months, for all we know. To talk through his issues and develop different strategies to cope with his eccentricities or issues.

As you say, it may all come out in testimony .. if it is deemed relevant.

 

[SlinkiMalinki]

There were about 32 screams. Your theory doesnt hold up IMO, because then it would mean that the witnesses from below would have heard GT clearly say 'I would but you have been a bad girl.' and WR say ' Just let me go home.' as he would have been right on the edge of the balcony, so his words would be clear. There are no reports of the lower apartment witnesses hearing this I believe. So i believe it all happened inside. Thats how It ties in with the transcript.

The comment GT makes to WR to "shut her filthy mouth" was because he was embarrassed about the noise she was creating inside , so he would hardly drag her outside and over the balcony ledge to make a further ruckus as you claim.

The premise that he would do something like put someone's life at risk by seating them on a 14th story balcony ledge and letting them stay there whilst he went inside is an extremely long bow to draw, and IMO, implausible.

I didnt know until recently that these 2 other witnesses held supposed crucial testimony. Does anyone know what the relationship of the two female witnesses is? Ellis lives directly below, where was the other one durig the incident?

BBM
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ble-tostees-unit/story-fnihsrf2-1227051950766

THP, according to this news article, Ellis actually lives two floors down. There was mention of the neighbour directly under - who woke up to the kerfuffle ie. retiree Gabriele Collyer-Wiedner.

In an interview with police, Emily Ellis, who lives two floors under Tostee, said she walked out to her balcony after hearing “thudding and scuffling’’ from above.

“I then moved to the corner of my balcony and tried to look up to see what was happening above me,’’ she said. “I could see a girl climbing over the balcony from the unit above us. All I could see of her was her legs.
One minute she was above me and then the next she was in front of me and then she was on the ground down the bottom.

“I saw her fall all the way.”

Retiree Gabriele Collyer-Wiedner, who lives directly under Tostee, woke around 2am to what sounded like furniture crashing on the floor.

“After a little time there was a really loud bang from the unit above. It sounded like something really heavy being dropped on the floor,’’ she said.

“A short time after that I heard a female person shout the words ‘no, no, no’.”

Ms Collyer-Wiedner told police she stepped out to the balcony to see two legs dangling down.

“The person did not say anything and neither did I,” she said. “In a matter of seconds I saw the person fall from the balcony above mine … I screamed when the person was falling and I think that the person screamed as well.”

In a separate report, Emily Ellis apparently had other people with her at the time. http://www.3news.co.nz/world/witness-recounts-balcony-victims-final-moments-2014120211#axzz3NBELIXBE

Ms Ellis said she and two men, Ryan and Nick, heard a scared girl calling out from the balcony in the early hours of August 8, and went outside to investigate.

"I heard a girl say 'I just, I just want to go home, please let me go home' and she was quite scared," Ms Ellis told detectives, according to the Daily Mail.


Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/world/witness-recounts-balcony-victims-final-moments-2014120211#ixzz3NBESAnwi

 

[sosocurious]

Tiffany Noffke who lives above the apartment from which Ms Wright fell told Fairfax media she was home on Friday night when Ms Wright died.
It's horrible I heard screaming at 2.20 am it woke me up Ms Noffke said.

I wonder if she went on to her balcony and looked over?

Another resident called Tania told channel 9 Ms Wright had screamed several times before falling.
I heard her scream once and then she stopped. Then she screamed again and then she stopped again and then she screamed a third time and after that I heard a bang. Tania said.

She must have been close imo.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/youn...eath-in-surfers-paradise-20140809-102cap.html

 

[SouthAussie]

When you think about it, we have heard about several witnesses who heard and saw different aspects of what went on that night in the apartment and on the balcony. And they are just the people who did not mind speaking with MSM.

Considering that many people do not like to talk to the media, do not want to have their names and/or locations published, there are probably more witnesses to the events of the night that have made statements to the police. People living adjacent to the apartment. People who may have been on their balcony in nearby buildings.

And I think there were early reports about a person at a nearby bus stop who was at the scene quickly and first found Rrie. How about any boats on the river that could hear and see what happened that night? Noise travels quite far at night.

When the trial is on, we might be quite surprised at the people who may have witnessed what was going on, what happened. Especially if there were lights on in the apartment that allowed them to clearly see Rrie and Tostee struggling, or the silhouettes of them on the balcony with the light shining behind them.

 

[sosocurious]

When you think about it, we have heard about several witnesses who heard and saw different aspects of what went on that night in the apartment and on the balcony. And they are just the people who did not mind speaking with MSM.

Considering that many people do not like to talk to the media, do not want to have their names and/or locations published, there are probably more witnesses to the events of the night that have made statements to the police. People living adjacent to the apartment. People who may have been on their balcony in nearby buildings.

And I think there were early reports about a person at a nearby bus stop who was at the scene quickly and first found Rrie. How about any boats on the river that could hear and see what happened that night? Noise travels quite far at night.

We might be quite surprised at the people who may have witnessed what was going on, what happened. Especially if there were lights on in the apartment that allowed them to clearly see Rrie and Tostee struggling, or the silhouettes of them on the balcony with the light shining behind them.

I agree SA.
R'rie's screams woke more than one person.
Yes we might be quite surprised.

 

[sosocurious]

Another witness Adam who lives on the 17th floor said "by the sound of things it happened on my side of the building, right near my bedroom window."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...14-storeys-building-meets-man-dating-app.html

 

[sosocurious]

One witness who heard the screams was Waikato woman who had been staying in a near by apartment.
Delwyn Grooby told Fairfax she heard three distinct screams .
There was fear in her second scream that made me feel sick and frightened for her Grooby said.
In the silence that followed I prayed that someone had come to her rescue.
When the third scream came I really can't explain how I felt.

http://www.byronnews.com.au/news/sick-and-frightening-scream-balcony-death/2348688/

 

[loveamystery]

I didn't complete it because it has been mentioned many times during the threads as recently as post #470 by Amee and reference attached.

My point being if he were either compliant or non - compliant with psychiatric intervention and/or medication as you mention, I just wonder why it was left to the prosecution to raise the possibility of a diagnosis (whatever it was) and not his legal team. Particularly if he has a long history as you mention.
IMO

LOL. No, Amee does not include the entire sentence in that post and none of the links that she provided have it either.

Tostee has been treated by a psychiatrist since 2009 for “insecure social anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder and depression”, Judge Mullins said.

He also has a history of attention deficit disorder.
http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/...-1227127491700

The Judge said he was in treatment for 5 years, 2009-2014. <modsnip>

That doesn't sound like the report from a court ordered psych exam. That's the history Judge Mullins got from his doctor. There wasn't enough time for an evaluation.

MOO - Gable Tostee has a long psychiatric history, and we'll hear a lot about it during the trial. Back in 2004, when he was arrested for the forgery, there was some documentation claiming he had autism. The court didn't just take his word for it.

The prosecution had his records from the forgery charges. That's why they told the court he had autism. That diagnosis is 10 years old, so, of course, the Judge wanted more recent documentation.

There's nothing odd here at all.

MY point is that a long history of psychiatric treatment carries more validity than an "I'm in trouble, so I'll convince a doctor I have xyz" defense in a court of law.

 

[Amee]

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · Sep 7
We're in court this morning for the Gable Tostee bail application.
Justice Mullins says Mr Kimmins has not addressed his client's previous diagnosis of autism. #tostee
Mr Kimmins says he is instructed that Tostee has seen specialists in the past and can't provide a date of his last assessment.
Justice Mullins says Tostee's diagnosis of autism could explain his lack of sociability.
Justice Mullins: It's something that sort of jumped out at me ... that is wasn't addressed. #tostee
Justice Mullins says she won't grant bail at this stage but will adjourn for Mr Kimmins to get further material. #tostee
Justice Mullins says the autism should have been addressed by Tostee or his parents.

18 Nov 2014

Justice Debra Mullins told the court a psychiatrist diagnosed Tostee with social anxiety disorder, obsessive compulsive disorder and alcohol use disorder.

The psychiatrist said Tostee was not suffering from an autism spectrum disorder.

"How Mr Tostee has behaved - for example recording as a matter of routine all his encounters - [suggests] that you're dealing with someone that perhaps doesn't behave the way that you would treat as the norm," Justice Mullins said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-...erer-has-social-disorders-court-hears/5900308

 

[Amee]

LOL. No, Amee does not include the entire sentence in that post and none of the links that she provided have it either.

Tostee has been treated by a psychiatrist since 2009 for “insecure social anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder and depression”, Judge Mullins said.

He also has a history of attention deficit disorder.
http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/...-1227127491700

The Judge said he was in treatment for 5 years, 2009-2014. <modsnip>
That doesn't sound like the report from a court ordered psych exam. That's the history Judge Mullins got from his doctor. There wasn't enough time for an evaluation.

MOO - Gable Tostee has a long psychiatric history, and we'll hear a lot about it during the trial. Back in 2004, when he was arrested for the forgery, there was some documentation claiming he had autism. The court didn't just take his word for it.

The prosecution had his records from the forgery charges. That's why they told the court he had autism. That diagnosis is 10 years old, so, of course, the Judge wanted more recent documentation.

There's nothing odd here at all.

MY point is that a long history of psychiatric treatment carries more validity than an "I'm in trouble, so I'll convince a doctor I have xyz" defense in a court of law.

Actually I did post the whole sentence #788 in thread 3. It has been posted many times. I also posted the link to that thread yesterday....
Its also in this link as well that has been posted in this thread....

Gable Tostee's next court outing is on January 12, when he is due to appear at Southport Magistrates Court on the murder charge, as well as two separate overnight drunken incidents he allegedly committed in the months before his fateful Tinder date with Ms Wright.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ged-murder-Warriena-Wright.html#ixzz3NEfT3uhq

<modsnip>

 

[SlinkiMalinki]

When you think about it, we have heard about several witnesses who heard and saw different aspects of what went on that night in the apartment and on the balcony. And they are just the people who did not mind speaking with MSM.

Considering that many people do not like to talk to the media, do not want to have their names and/or locations published, there are probably more witnesses to the events of the night that have made statements to the police. People living adjacent to the apartment. People who may have been on their balcony in nearby buildings.

And I think there were early reports about a person at a nearby bus stop who was at the scene quickly and first found Rrie. How about any boats on the river that could hear and see what happened that night? Noise travels quite far at night.

When the trial is on, we might be quite surprised at the people who may have witnessed what was going on, what happened. Especially if there were lights on in the apartment that allowed them to clearly see Rrie and Tostee struggling, or the silhouettes of them on the balcony with the light shining behind them.

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...e-via-dating-app/story-fnj94idh-1227018529845
SouthAussie, this article mentions the witness recounting having been waiting at the bus stop, when they heard a loud scream followed by a bang.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

When you think about it, we have heard about several witnesses who heard and saw different aspects of what went on that night in the apartment and on the balcony. And they are just the people who did not mind speaking with MSM.

Considering that many people do not like to talk to the media, do not want to have their names and/or locations published, there are probably more witnesses to the events of the night that have made statements to the police. People living adjacent to the apartment. People who may have been on their balcony in nearby buildings.

And I think there were early reports about a person at a nearby bus stop who was at the scene quickly and first found Rrie. How about any boats on the river that could hear and see what happened that night? Noise travels quite far at night.

When the trial is on, we might be quite surprised at the people who may have witnessed what was going on, what happened. Especially if there were lights on in the apartment that allowed them to clearly see Rrie and Tostee struggling, or the silhouettes of them on the balcony with the light shining behind them.

The order, which was granted, involved the delivery of transcripts from the recordings and other electronic analysis from Tostee’s mobile phone as well as a copy of Ms Wright’s autopsy report and more than 50 witness statements.

The case will be mentioned again on January 12.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ler-gable-tostee/story-fnihsrf2-1227086234011

 

[SouthAussie]

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...e-via-dating-app/story-fnj94idh-1227018529845
SouthAussie, this article mentions the witness recounting having been waiting at the bus stop, when they heard a loud scream followed by a bang.

Thanks Slinki ... I notice that article is the one that mentions the cost of those fake ID cards .... $60 each, he made 500 of them.


"Mr Tostee is known to police, masterminding a $30,000 Schoolies fake identification racket in 2004.

Mr Tostee and his friends Ryan Lee Sara and Jeremy James Stahl produced at least 500 fake 18+ cards, which they sold for about $60 each, before they were caught.

The trio was placed on probation but a conviction was not recorded.

At the time Judge John Newton described Mr Tostee as intellectually gifted and advised him to better use his skills in the future."

 

[PrimeSuspect]

LOL. No, Amee does not include the entire sentence in that post and none of the links that she provided have it either.

Tostee has been treated by a psychiatrist since 2009 for &#8220;insecure social anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder and depression&#8221;, Judge Mullins said.

He also has a history of attention deficit disorder.
http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/...-1227127491700

The Judge said he was in treatment for 5 years, 2009-2014. <modsnip>

That doesn't sound like the report from a court ordered psych exam. That's the history Judge Mullins got from his doctor. There wasn't enough time for an evaluation.

MOO - Gable Tostee has a long psychiatric history, and we'll hear a lot about it during the trial. Back in 2004, when he was arrested for the forgery, there was some documentation claiming he had autism. The court didn't just take his word for it.

The prosecution had his records from the forgery charges. That's why they told the court he had autism. That diagnosis is 10 years old, so, of course, the Judge wanted more recent documentation.

There's nothing odd here at all.

MY point is that a long history of psychiatric treatment carries more validity than an "I'm in trouble, so I'll convince a doctor I have xyz" defense in a court of law.

Social anxiety disorder, ocd and depression is a far cry from being on the autism spectrum. It will be interesting if the court reveals who diagnosed him with autism back in 2004, if that indeed was the case.

I don't believe anyone will get to the bottom of why this man audio and video records his night escapades. It could be just a perversion of his, and if it's not against the law, he can continue to indulge himself.

We've read the transcript of the alleged recording made public, GT can hold a conversation better than most men imo. GT's goal was to bed as many women as he could, record them and if he found them 'comical', he uploaded them for the entertainment of other like-minded men.

I don't see the benefit in making GT the victim. The diagnosis of SAD, OCD and depression doesn't make him any less culpable, there are many people with the same disorders who don't seek out to hurt people. He is very clever, no denying that, and he deprived Rrie of her freedom, he assaulted and ridiculed her and this led to her death.

JMO

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Gable Tostee granted bail but banned from Tinder

Police argue Ms Wright was in fear for her life and was trying to escape Mr Tostee, who had threatened to throw her off the balcony earlier during an argument.

Justice Mullins said it would be easier for police to prove Mr Tostee was guilty of manslaughter than of murder.

"In view of the prosecution acknowledgment that [Mr Tostee] was not on the balcony when Ms Wright fell, the case for murder is not straight forward," Justice Mullins said.

"The toxicology and autopsy reports on Ms Wright are not yet available."

Justice Mullins said audio from the night - which was recorded on Mr Tostee's phone - would be the critical piece of evidence for a jury to determine whether he was guilty.

She said there was evidence Mr Tostee used Tinder to organise dates with women in the week after Ms Wright's death.


http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/gable-tostee-granted-bail-but-banned-from-tinder-20141119-11po6s.html