Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #4

[Ausgirl]

LOL. No, Amee does not include the entire sentence in that post and none of the links that she provided have it either.

Tostee has been treated by a psychiatrist since 2009 for “insecure social anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder and depression”, Judge Mullins said.

He also has a history of attention deficit disorder.
http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/...-1227127491700

The Judge said he was in treatment for 5 years, 2009-2014. <modsnip>

That doesn't sound like the report from a court ordered psych exam. That's the history Judge Mullins got from his doctor. There wasn't enough time for an evaluation.

MOO - Gable Tostee has a long psychiatric history, and we'll hear a lot about it during the trial. Back in 2004, when he was arrested for the forgery, there was some documentation claiming he had autism. The court didn't just take his word for it.

The prosecution had his records from the forgery charges. That's why they told the court he had autism. That diagnosis is 10 years old, so, of course, the Judge wanted more recent documentation.

There's nothing odd here at all.

MY point is that a long history of psychiatric treatment carries more validity than an "I'm in trouble, so I'll convince a doctor I have xyz" defense in a court of law.

I see the point you're trying to make -- but let me fill you in on a couple things:

Wayyyy back before we had any of this information - maybe in thread #1?? -- GoddessIsisRising, our *verified* psychologist, expressed a lot of doubt about reports re the autism thing, due to the way it was worded when presented to the court by his lawyer ("partially autistic"). IE, she said the terms were NOT proper diagnostic terms, and thought perhaps it was bogus.

Turns out, the autism thing wasn't mentioned by his parents at all in the brief for this case. Which, if valid, it really ought to have been. Maybe that's why the judge got a bit suss and wanted this claim -- made by his lawyer - looked at.

And turns out ----- Isis was RIGHT. So how'd his lawyer get to thinking Tostee has autism in the first place? Why raise it as an issue, if he wasn't going to use it? I call shenanigans. By Tostee, or by his lawyer - or both.

MSM doesn't make clear how recently the proper psych assessment was done, but you'd think IF it had been done PRIOR to this case, it'd have been presented up front and not months later . Perhaps the assessment was done while he was in prison, that seems to make the most sense. If it was an old one - why was it withheld at the time the lawyer was trying to claim autism?

So ya see, it's not as simple as all that. Tostee is a worm on a hook, and I fully expect him to do his best to wiggle off of it - and you might see nothing "odd" in the above? But here, we must agree to disagree.

Personally, I think Tostee is pretty good at faking stuff to help himself get out of trouble. Like the autism. Psychopaths are GREAT at pretending. Several people here have, for example, questioned the social anxiety thing, seeing as how he spends SO MUCH TIME in nightclubs, and on the internet picking up total strangers time after time after time. If you *know* anyone with this disorder, you'll probably have a clear idea of *why* it's being doubted.

I am not verified, as I do not practice psychology. But I *do* have a psych degree, and in my unverified but informed *opinion* he reeks of psychopathy. And should not be underestimated.

 

[Ausgirl]

And FWIW *in my opinion* the judge who gave an 18 yo, legally ADULT, Tostee community service and NO recorded conviction for .......

- masterminding a criminal enterprise supplying KIDS with the means to purchase alcohol to the tune of 30 grand. At 60 bucks a go, that's FIVE HUNDRED under-age drinkers.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...n-via-dating-app/story-fnihsrf2-1227018955203

- creating forged currency -- and the maximum penalty for manufacturing counterfeit currency in Aus is 14 years in jail.

........... appears to feel very sorry for Gable Tostee, a "talented" young man who deserved a second chance to use his power for good, instead of evil. SUCKERED. Is what that judge was.

And I would *love* to know whether that was the origin of the autism angle.

Interestingly enough, some time ago Tostee did one of those internet quizzes on autism, on the BBF. He scored under 30 = not autistic. He damn well KNEW he wasn't.... so why'd it get brought up in court? Throwin' what he can, seein' if it sticks.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...oast-for-wedding/story-fnihsrf2-1227019228229

 

[SouthAussie]

I truly don't think that any of his diagnoses will play a part in his trial. He is an alcoholic or binge drinker, and that chosen path never has allowed a person to escape culpability, as far as I know.

There are no excuses for a person of his size to do what he did to little, feisty, but very drunk Rrie. All over social media, people are saying that his tackling her and throwing her to the floor then forcing her out to the balcony was unwarranted. There was an exit door just a few metres away. That was the direction he should have taken (especially as she was pleading for him to let her go home, at that point). If the majority of social media users see it that way, I feel that a jury will see it that way.

If he (imo) keeps flooding social media with his opinions, he may get a judge-only trial ... and a judge will see it that way too, I think.


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[Amee]

South Aussie thank you, your comment reminded me of the following:

With Mr Tostee maintaining his silence to detectives, Dr Goldsworthy said it was &#8220;pretty stupid&#8221; that the man under investigation would make comments on social media.

&#8220;If you&#8217;re not prepared to speak to the police, then I don&#8217;t think you should be going on those forums where he was allegedly commenting,&#8221; he said.

&#8220;The two actions don&#8217;t gel and it makes it look disingenuous when he doesn&#8217;t talk to the police.&#8221;

http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/the-to...mysterious-balcony-death-20140814-104910.html

Mr Goldsworthy, who is also a barrister, said Tostee&#8217;s persistent use of social media after his arrest in August had done him no favours and the bail condition would &#8220;probably be beneficial to him&#8221;.

He said the police may consider using counterterrorism social listening tools to track Tostee&#8217;s online activities.

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...ficult-to-police/story-fnje8bkv-1227129035025

 

[sleepinoz]

South Aussie thank you, your comment reminded me of the following:

With Mr Tostee maintaining his silence to detectives, Dr Goldsworthy said it was &#8220;pretty stupid&#8221; that the man under investigation would make comments on social media.

&#8220;If you&#8217;re not prepared to speak to the police, then I don&#8217;t think you should be going on those forums where he was allegedly commenting,&#8221; he said.

&#8220;The two actions don&#8217;t gel and it makes it look disingenuous when he doesn&#8217;t talk to the police.&#8221;

http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/the-to...mysterious-balcony-death-20140814-104910.html

Mr Goldsworthy, who is also a barrister, said Tostee&#8217;s persistent use of social media after his arrest in August had done him no favours and the bail condition would &#8220;probably be beneficial to him&#8221;.

He said the police may consider using counterterrorism social listening tools to track Tostee&#8217;s online activities.

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...ficult-to-police/story-fnje8bkv-1227129035025

BBM - Yes you would think that Tostee, or whoever commented, thinking he was of Superior Intelligence would be aware of the dangers and think harder about the situation.

 

[Ausgirl]

Reading this. Thinking: check. check. check.



Sociopath Traits

According to ICD-10 criteria, presence of 3 or more of the following qualifies for the diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder (~sociopathy):

Callous unconcern for the feelings of others.
Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, and obligations.
Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them.
Very low tolerance to frustration, a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence.
Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment.
Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible rationalization for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.

http://www.md-health.com/Sociopath-Traits.html


Also: http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

 

[SouthAussie]

Reading this. Thinking: check. check. check.



Sociopath Traits

According to ICD-10 criteria, presence of 3 or more of the following qualifies for the diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder (~sociopathy):

Callous unconcern for the feelings of others.
Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, and obligations.
Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them.
Very low tolerance to frustration, a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence.
Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment.
Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible rationalization for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.

http://www.md-health.com/Sociopath-Traits.html


Also: http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

Whoa ... that is seriously the same. :scared:

imo

 

[marlywings]

And FWIW *in my opinion* the judge who gave an 18 yo, legally ADULT, Tostee community service and NO recorded conviction for .......

- masterminding a criminal enterprise supplying KIDS with the means to purchase alcohol to the tune of 30 grand. At 60 bucks a go, that's FIVE HUNDRED under-age drinkers.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...n-via-dating-app/story-fnihsrf2-1227018955203

- creating forged currency -- and the maximum penalty for manufacturing counterfeit currency in Aus is 14 years in jail.

........... appears to feel very sorry for Gable Tostee, a "talented" young man who deserved a second chance to use his power for good, instead of evil. SUCKERED. Is what that judge was.

And I would *love* to know whether that was the origin of the autism angle.

Interestingly enough, some time ago Tostee did one of those internet quizzes on autism, on the BBF. He scored under 30 = not autistic. He damn well KNEW he wasn't.... so why'd it get brought up in court? Throwin' what he can, seein' if it sticks.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...oast-for-wedding/story-fnihsrf2-1227019228229

Just adding a little to your post. This in particular..... such a talent for making counterfeit money that he stunned federal investigators.. That must have been one very slick operation he had going to stun the feds who have seen a lot of counterfeiting rackets over the years. And it seems he was progressing from the ID racket to making counterfeit money.

The talented artist was only a teen when he came to police attention in 2004, found to be the mastermind of a sophisticated fake 18+ ID racket that earned him and two mates $30,000.

But it was a reproduction of a $50 note found on his computer that shocked police. Mr Tostee was said to have &#8220;exceptional skills&#8221; in art and had been meticulous in ensuring the fake IDs were of a high quality.

He pleaded guilty to forgery, possessing an instrument for making counterfeit money and beginning to make counterfeit money. Mr Tostee was given a good behaviour bond for his role as manager of the &#8220;business&#8221;.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...oast-for-wedding/story-fnihsrf2-1227019228229

 

[Ausgirl]

Whoa ... that is seriously the same. :scared:

imo

Particularly revealing to me was his self-serving behaviour immediately following Warriena's death, the 'evolution' of his story as seen in his conversation with his dad in the car, along with the utter callousness displayed in that, the fact the all of his public rationalisations have been focussed entirely on himself, and the impact the incident has had on him.

There's a ton more I can only truly speculate on - parasitic lifestyle, manipulation (though I think this is well displayed in the transcript, personally).... but the above things are out of his own mouth, or presented by himself to the public.

I only suspect, but not without reason, that he's manipulated the courts before.. I mean, there IS NO CURE for autism. So *how* does he have it 10 years ago (when he was in court for the counterfeiting thing), and doesn't have it now?

Even if he *was* diagnosed (there's nothing on record to say he was, but I'm giving the court the benefit of a doubt in that I presume it wanted *documentation* to prove the claim...) ---how did he manage that? Think about it. How did he convince a professional that he has autism when, as it turns out, he does not?

That would be the glibness part of it, right there.

 

[Ausgirl]

BBM - Yes you would think that Tostee, or whoever commented, thinking he was of Superior Intelligence would be aware of the dangers and think harder about the situation.

It's enough to rustle one's jimmies.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Reading this. Thinking: check. check. check.



Sociopath Traits

According to ICD-10 criteria, presence of 3 or more of the following qualifies for the diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder (~sociopathy):

Callous unconcern for the feelings of others.
Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, and obligations.
Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them.
Very low tolerance to frustration, a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence.
Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment.
Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible rationalization for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.

http://www.md-health.com/Sociopath-Traits.html


Also: http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

Proof of this Ausgirl -

Justice Mullins said audio from the night - which was recorded on Mr Tostee's phone - would be the critical piece of evidence for a jury to determine whether he was guilty.

She said there was evidence Mr Tostee used Tinder to organise dates with women in the week after Ms Wright's death.

http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/gable-tostee-granted-bail-but-banned-from-tinder-20141119-11po6s.html


GT goes on Tinder a week after Rrie's death??!! GT can organise and pick up dates!!

 

[sleepinoz]

Quote Originally Posted by Ausgirl View Post
I see the point you're trying to make -- but let me fill you in on a couple things:

Wayyyy back before we had any of this information - maybe in thread #1?? -- GoddessIsisRising, our *verified* psychologist, expressed a lot of doubt about reports re the autism thing, due to the way it was worded when presented to the court by his lawyer ("partially autistic"). IE, she said the terms were NOT proper diagnostic terms, and thought perhaps it was bogus.

Turns out, the autism thing wasn't mentioned by his parents at all in the brief for this case. Which, if valid, it really ought to have been. Maybe that's why the judge got a bit suss and wanted this claim -- made by his lawyer - looked at.

Jimmy Russel;11343808]Wrong.

"Mr Tostee's parents did not mention his autism in their affidavits and defence barrister Tony Kimmins said he only became aware of Mr Tostee's prior diagnosis on Friday."

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...en-caused-by-fingernails-20140908-10e13a.html

RSBM

BBM - That's what Ausgirl said in her post - your point?

 

[Ausgirl]

Proof of this Ausgirl -

Justice Mullins said audio from the night - which was recorded on Mr Tostee's phone - would be the critical piece of evidence for a jury to determine whether he was guilty.

She said there was evidence Mr Tostee used Tinder to organise dates with women in the week after Ms Wright's death.

http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/gable-tostee-granted-bail-but-banned-from-tinder-20141119-11po6s.html


GT goes on Tinder a week after Rrie's death??!! GT can organise and pick up dates!!

So the judge has seen *proof* of this -- I did not know that!!!! Thanks for the link.

Now think back to what Tostee said about his use of Tinder that week. Outright porky pies. If there was any doubt in anyone that he is a damn liar.. there's the pudding, innit.

Couldn't crack a smile, but he... so not going there

 

[Jimmy Russel]

Callous unconcern for the feelings of others.

He has expressed his concern numerous times.

Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, and obligations.

You don't know this.

Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships, though having no difficulty in establishing them.

Again you don't know this. Could easily be attributed to many other factors, if true. Are you suggesting that because he has been with a lot of women that he is a sociopath?

Very low tolerance to frustration, a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence.

He has never been charged or convicted of a violent offence. His demeanour with Warriena was generally very calm and non-aggressive.

Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment.

The logical fallacy here is you have a false pretense - that he is guilty. He hasn't been to trial yet.

Also, have you not read his apology letter to the NSW police? That is full of guilt and "profit from experience".

Markedly prone to blame others or to offer plausible rationalization for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.

An innocent person would also offer plausible rationalization.

 

[SouthAussie]

Personally, I consider driving while almost 5 times over the limit, and continuing to drive on rims after running over police spikes, a violent act. He was driving on public roads, with many innocent people sharing those roads. People that could have easily been hurt by that wild driving ... thank goodness they weren't. Doesn't make the act any less violent though imo.

Many people have been seriously hurt, even killed, during police chases. If a person wasn't fleeing the police in their vehicle, innocent bystanders and drivers wouldn't have been harmed in some/too many cases. That is why evading the police in a car chase is so highly illegal and the penalties are severe. :jail:

 

[Jimmy Russel]

RSBM

BBM - That's what Ausgirl said in her post - your point?

I was referring to this part "defence barrister Tony Kimmins said he only became aware of Mr Tostee's prior diagnosis on Friday."

 

[Jimmy Russel]

So the judge has seen *proof* of this -- I did not know that!!!! Thanks for the link.

Now think back to what Tostee said about his use of Tinder that week. Outright porky pies. If there was any doubt in anyone that he is a damn liar.. there's the pudding, innit.

Couldn't crack a smile, but he... so not going there

Evidence and proof are very different things.

 

[sleepinoz]

I was referring to this part "defence barrister Tony Kimmins said he only became aware of Mr Tostee's prior diagnosis on Friday."

So what Ausgirl said was correct not Wrong (same point different words) -

Maybe that's why the judge got a bit suss and wanted this claim -- made by his lawyer - looked at.

 

[Ausgirl]

Wrong.

"Mr Tostee's parents did not mention his autism in their affidavits and defence barrister Tony Kimmins said he only became aware of Mr Tostee's prior diagnosis on Friday."

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...en-caused-by-fingernails-20140908-10e13a.html



If he had social anxiety then that would explain his alcohol use disorder.

<modsnip>

HE WAS described by his lawyer as &#8220;partially autistic&#8221;

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...oast-for-wedding/story-fnihsrf2-1227019228229

And how does social anxiety, presumably self-medicated with alcohol use disorder, *explain* the observations of multiple bar owners and staff, who say he had a habit of drinking water all night so he could pick up the drunk chicks? Or the women who've come forward to the media, saying how charming and talkative he is? Not one has mentioned he was also drunk.

 

[Jimmy Russel]

So what Ausgirl said was correct not Wrong (same point different words) -

It was not presented by his lawyer, the article says his lawyer only became aware on the day.