Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #12

[Manny83]

You'd think if you were completely clean your story wouldn't be full of holes! And I know the media has been pretty questionable but still

 

[thylacine7]

That could be where the inconsistencies lay, didn't the owner of the cafe not remember seeing him that day

Yep a staff member (not sure whether it was the owner) said something like that they remember having seen him around, but not on that day. I can't find that exact reference, though I think it's in one of the Australian articles currently blocking me thanks to the paywall.

Other articles more freely available quote a member of staff who can't remember whether they were there or not because of how much time had passed since.

Doesn't of course mean he wasn't, maybe he sat outside the whole time and MS paid for the coffees... but then good ol' Colin kept banging on about Bill having paid for the coffees with his credit card, suggesting it was BS not MS that paid (and were anyone to clarify that it was actually MS could cast potential doubt on BS ever having been there).

Or... BS did pay and the quoted staff member just wasn't behind the till at the time (though surely the police would have clarified that sort of thing if/when investigating that report).

etc etc. Reasonable doubt at the very least, certainly as far as we're concerned, considering we only have what's in MSM.

 

[Wexford]

Really hard to say because we don't have all the facts. I just get a bit sus when he's around the day wt goes missing. The wt case and the historical allegations when dealt with separately, I'd be much more willing to say innocent. But when you put the two together? Not so sure

Interestingly.....the Bowraville case is claimed to have fallen down for similar reasons, because the two cases that went to court were tried separately. If the jury had been able to hear evidence from both cases that went to court together the result could have been very different. Jubelin is not going to let that happen again Im sure.

 

[sosocurious]

Yes Colin has informed msn of a few inconsistencies and given explanations.
But I do wonder what is/are the inconsistencies that lead to the home and office being raided and BS being declared a person of interest, that we do not know about.

 

[Makara]

i agree with this 100%. Why would a taskforce set up to investigate a probable homicide then be laying charges for an historical sex offence. Normally CSA is investigated by a CSA team.

I my not doubting the veracity of the allegations, but I think the historical investigation and charges are part of the police "strategy". And the judge saw that a mile away, which is why he made it very clear, in a public court, that uncharged acts and/ or investigations cannot be taken into consideration for bail on the charged acts.

BBM: Task force Rosann was not set up to investigate a probable homicide. It was set up on 17 September 2014 to investigate the disappearance of William. The Homicide Squad joined the task force in December 2014, three months after William disappeared. A police strike force will include police squads from any number of specialised fields, all working together on the investigation at hand. Of course the strike force is strategic in their investigation. Defense lawyers also use strategy to get their (quite often) slime ball clients off the hook. It's all a game really and who ever plays the game the best, wins.

Sex crime investigators included on Strike Force

By Ben Cooper
Sept. 17, 2014,

A STRIKE Force including sex crimes investigators has been established following William Tyrell’s disappearance, five days after the three-year-old went missing near Kendall.

Police made the announcement on Tuesday during an afternoon update at Kendall Showground.

Strike Force Rosann is based at Port Macquarie and includes detectives from the Mid-North Coast and Manning-Great Lakes Local Area Command.

But it also includes officers from the State Crime Command and Forensic Services Group, in the strongest sign police are now focusing more on the investigation of how, or why, the little boy disappeared. The State Crime Command, under its Serious Crime Directorate, investigates sex crimes as well as disappearance cases.

http://www.portnews.com.au/story/2563297/strike-force-established-in-search-for-william-tyrell/


Was William murdered? Homicide detectives now lead investigation into disappearance of Spiderman-loving toddler who vanished from his front yard three months ago

Published: 11:28 EST, 21 December 2014 | Updated: 07:58 EST, 22 December 2014

Homicide detectives have joined the investigation into the disappearance of toddler William Tyrell, the three-year-old who disappeared from his grandmother's front yard more than three months ago.

In a major turn for the investigation, murder squad officers are now leading inquiries - meaning the case is no longer a missing persons investigation.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-toddler-three-months-ago.html#ixzz3drGUPVLI

State Crime Command
The State Crime Command (SCC) is made up of 12 squads headed by a Squad Commander, and a number of support units. Each squad specialises in particular types of crime.

Sex Crimes Squad.
The Sex Crimes Squad was established to ensure provision of a specialist sexual assault response to support Local Area Commands across NSW.

It is acknowledged that the roles and functions of this Squad are closely aligned with JIRS. As such, this will entail a close and ongoing working relationship between the two Squads.

Joint Investigation Response Squad.
JIRS was established to ensure provision of a specialist child protection service to support Local Area Commands across NSW. Child Protection is offered in partnership with the NSW Department of Community Services (DoCS) and NSW Department of Health (Health).

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/about_us/structure/operations_command/state_crime_command

BBM.

 

[Makara]

Mr Spedding has claimed to relatives and police he was never due to visit Kendall on the day three-year-old William vanished,

It was earlier believed Mr Spedding, named as a “person of interest”, was due to repair the washing machine on the Friday but did not show up *because he couldn’t get through on the phone.

He told relatives he never planned, nor was booked, to be in Kendall on the day William vanished without trace

He said he was “relieved” when he could not reach William’s grandmother by phone because he didn’t want to perform the repair over the weekend and wanted to take his children to their football game

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...-william-tyrrell/story-fni0cx12-1227314208802

:thinking:

BBM: Was there actually a football game scheduled for that particular weekend? Any locals able to check back on that?

 

[Cleaver Greene]

Interestingly.....the Bowraville case is claimed to have fallen down for similar reasons, because the two cases that went to court were tried separately. If the jury had been able to hear evidence from both cases that went to court together the result could have been very different. Jubelin is not going to let that happen again Im sure.

I think the charges historical charges wont be heard at the same time as a trial for the current investigation. They are just not similar enough. Adrian Bayley has had several rape charges all heard independently of each other. Unless there is some definitive link between the charges (ie, the charges against both sisters) I think they will all be subject to separate trials.

I would even go so far as to say that even if BS is convicted of the historical charges and is then charged on the WT matter, the court will not hear evidence of the historical matters.

IMO

 

[loveamystery]

Yes frogwell bail has been approved based on the facts tendered thus far, the judge makes the decision on the facts tendered, not what he thinks.
Yes the judge said there was still questions.
The defense case is that JH is responsible. The prosecutions is he was in goal and victim identified Bill.
As things currently stand BS is still charged , out on bail and the decision as to who is responsible will be argued when proceedings commence.
Those little girls .. now women deserve justice .. so for mine I hope who ever it is that is responsible for the deplorable crime is exposed and held accountable.
IMO.

IMO - Someone who molested 2 little girls back in 1987 didn't just stop there.
Why aren't others coming forward?

 

[sosocurious]

State Crime Command
The State Crime Command (SCC) is made up of 12 squads headed by a Squad Commander, and a number of support units. Each squad specialises in particular types of crime.

Sex Crimes Squad.
The Sex Crimes Squad was established to ensure provision of a specialist sexual assault response to support Local Area Commands across NSW.

It is acknowledged that the roles and functions of this Squad are closely aligned with JIRS. As such, this will entail a close and ongoing working relationship between the two Squads.

Joint Investigation Response Squad.
JIRS was established to ensure provision of a specialist child protection service to support Local Area Commands across NSW. Child Protection is offered in partnership with the NSW Department of Community Services (DoCS) and NSW Department of Health (Health).

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/about_us/structure/operations_command/state_crime_command

Makara
I have borrowed a piece of your above post as it got me to pondering just how things have changed over the decades and having only recently read this article I thought I would post.

1980s Child sexual abuse recognised on the world stage:
There is no definitive reason for why sexual abuse emerged as a key issue for child protection in the 1980s, however the most prominent theory suggests that the impact of feminism lead to the public recognition of child sexual abuse. Significant media attention was given to any case of child sexual abuse and statutory child protection services found it difficult to cope with the influx of reports.
Tensions arose between child protection services, police and child sexual assault services as roles and responsibilities became blurred.
https://aifs.gov.au/cfca/publications/history-child-protection-services

Police said charges were not pursued at that time "due to concerns of the welfare of the victims given their tender age".

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-t...phile-ring-police-allege-20150423-1mrvj7.html

It just got me to thinking why there are so many cases of historical sexual abuse of children from that decade in the courts currently.
Close and ongoing working relationship between the squads - no blurring.
IMO

 

[purpleandgreen]

I just got me to thinking why there are so many cases of historical sexual abuse of children from that decade in the courts currently.
Close and ongoing working relationship between the squads - no blurring.
IMO
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Yes. I too have been wondering about that.

 

[they'll get you]

In the many cases I've followed there have been more twists and turns than a roller coaster. We have had our reservations on the outcome but usually the gut is correct.

Say Baden-Clay for example we were all concerned that he would be acquitted because, really all we had was some scratches, a quivering chin and some questionable antics. But with all the evidence together it was obvious he was up to no good and he is serving a long prison term.

Gittany was also looking like he was going to be acquitted because we didn't really know if it was Lisa who jumped. All we had was MSM and some grainy footage.
Then, at the last moment, enter Josh Rathmell who actually saw Gittany throw Lisa.

What I'm saying is we know 'Jack Schitte' until more and more information is released and I have patience.

This is a forum where we stir fry all the ingredients together without any sour sauce and hopefully the outcome will be sweet.

I will thank the posts that are helpful & some I don't bother reading that's my prerogative.

Daniel Morcombe's murder was a surprise because the undercover sting was absolutely incredible and because of that I live in hope for justice to be served for our little William Tyrrell.
We are all on 'Team William' here, aren't we?

 

[Thetruth11:11]

I really do not know what to think in this case. I think the secrecy surrounding the foster family does not help. The allegations of child sexual abuse from the 1980s also seem strange. I am not saying they didnt happen because there was physical evidence but I cannot understand how a mother would not realise there was something wrong immediately. I know we do not know all the details but why didnt the six year old tell her mother immediately. Did BS threaten her? The fact the the girls uncle is in gaol for sexual assault of a child and murder is HUGE. The way the police hint at things also is strange. Mention of a paedophile gang by police but no further information. It is all so confusing and it makes me so angry that there are animals out there who think it is their right to hurt little children for their own sick pleasure. BRING WILLIAM HOME NOW.

Agree!!! What I don't get is, if jh abused the kids, and bs knew about his history, what sort of person is he not to do something about these children being in the same house?Most people have a gut feeling from someone . My point is a normal person wouldn't leave kids with someone they got a bad feeling from. And if the kids liked being with bill & felt safe, why didn't they tell bill that jh was hurting them? And they don't wanna go back. Obviously they didn't feel that way to or trust him enough ?

 

[Thetruth11:11]

Well if I knew my "husband" was having coffee & then went to assembly withme at 10-10.30am and didn't leave my side. Why visit a psychic? To ask if he was involved?

 

[newone]

Well if I knew my "husband" was having coffee & then went to assembly withme at 10-10.30am and didn't leave my side. Why visit a psychic? To ask if he was involved?

good point!

 

[Manny83]

Well if I knew my "husband" was having coffee & then went to assembly withme at 10-10.30am and didn't leave my side. Why visit a psychic? To ask if he was involved?

Did you notice that on his photo too truth?

 

[Makara]

In the many cases I've followed there have been more twists and turns than a roller coaster. We have had our reservations on the outcome but usually the gut is correct.

Say Baden-Clay for example we were all concerned that he would be acquitted because, really all we had was some scratches, a quivering chin and some questionable antics. But with all the evidence together it was obvious he was up to no good and he is serving a long prison term.

Gittany was also looking like he was going to be acquitted because we didn't really know if it was Lisa who jumped. All we had was MSM and some grainy footage.
Then, at the last moment, enter Josh Rathmell who actually saw Gittany throw Lisa.

What I'm saying is we know 'Jack Schitte' until more and more information is released and I have patience.

This is a forum where we stir fry all the ingredients together without any sour sauce and hopefully the outcome will be sweet.

I will thank the posts that are helpful & some I don't bother reading that's my prerogative.

Daniel Morcombe's murder was a surprise because the undercover sting was absolutely incredible and because of that I live in hope for justice to be served for our little William Tyrrell.
We are all on 'Team William' here, aren't we?

Totally agree TYGY. In Baden-Clay's case he was unsuccessful in his second bail application. Some of us purchased some of the bail hearing documents, which did shed further light on the case but nothing compared to the evidence revealed at the actual trial. Gerard Baden-Clay is now behind bars where he belongs.

Gittany was granted bail and it was only at his trial that the full extent of the prosecution's evidence was revealed and it sent him to jail.

My concern here is that BS's case may be thrown out at a committal hearing if the magistrate deems that there is not enough evidence to proceed to trial. BS is due for a mention on 29 July and hopefully we'll learn then if it will be scheduled for a committal hearing.

 

[Thetruth11:11]

Did you notice that on his photo too truth?

I'm still working this site out manny83 and mainly on my iPhone while dealing with small kids. So sorry if I don't reply correctly. What photo ??

 

[sosocurious]

Totally agree TYGY. In Baden-Clay's case he was unsuccessful in his second bail application. Some us purchased some of the bail hearing documents, which did shed further light on the case but nothing compared to the evidence revealed at the actual trial. Gerard Baden-Clay is now behind bars where he belongs.

Gittany was granted bail and it was only at his trial that the full extent of the prosecution's evidence was revealed and it sent him to jail.

My concern here is that BS's case may be thrown out at a committal hearing if the magistrate deems that there is not enough evidence to proceed to trial. BS is due for a mention on 29 July and hopefully we'll learn then if it will be scheduled for a committal hearing.

I have a question?
When the case goes to mention on the 29th July, evidence that was not presented at the bail hearing or indeed the bail appeal could be introduced. Is that correct?

 

[Manny83]

I'm still working this site out manny83 and mainly on my iPhone while dealing with small kids. So sorry if I don't reply correctly. What photo ??

The photo of BS coming out of the store without his wedding ring. Probably nothing but wondering if that's why you put husband in quotations

 

[they'll get you]

Well if I knew my "husband" was having coffee & then went to assembly withme at 10-10.30am and didn't leave my side. Why visit a psychic? To ask if he was involved?

Bruce Morcombe
He also said that the family, from his experience, would be likely to be receiving distracting information from psychics.

"Personally, we found it quite distressing, a fair amount of it was bizarre and offbeat. I don't place any amount of faith in psychic information. On our taskforce, it was an incredible distraction. They would say there's a shed or a water tank ... we had dozens or hundreds of leads and logic suggests that William's case is similar to Daniel's," Mr Morcombe said.

"You can't ignore them just in case it is a disguised confession, someone trying to get it off their chest and that they really do know something."

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/father-of...-would-be-his-fourth-birthday-20150621-ghsesq