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Link to the 'Where is William?' special report on 60 Minutes in September 2015. Courtesy of WSer, richieswan, if anyone would like to revisit the program:

Where is William?

Somebody saw something. Somebody knows something.
Somebody can help bring William home.
Is that somebody you?

If you have seen William or have any information relating to his disappearance, please contact Crime Stoppers now on 1800 333 000 or visit the Crime Stoppers online reporting page https://nsw.crimestoppers.com.au/

You can remain anonymous!


Where is William?
60 Minutes
September 6, 2015
Reporter: Michael Usher
Producer: Laura Sparkes, Grace Tobin
http://www.9jumpin.com.au/show/60minutes/stories/2015/september/where-is-william/

Part 1:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nTh6DM5FEAY

Part 2:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0H5fhsGSVOM

Part 3:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HxxLQ_K5ljY

Update:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E3HNcCOob4Y
 
I was thinking about another missing child case - the AS case in NZ. If that case had featured a complicated family background, visits by a plumber, unidentified parked cars, and indirect links to various people with previous child offences, would investigators have stopped investigating the possibility of an undiscovered perpetrator-less accident?
 
Maybe some people could help me by looking on googleearth/streetview at the rain gully adjacent to the concrete driveway? Imagine you have a set of rigid spheres with diameters 1 inch, 1.5 inch, 2 inch, 2.5 inch, etc, etc. What is the largest rigid sphere that could go through that slot?
 
Maybe some people could help me by looking on googleearth/streetview at the rain gully adjacent to the concrete driveway? Imagine you have a set of rigid spheres with diameters 1 inch, 1.5 inch, 2 inch, 2.5 inch, etc, etc. What is the largest rigid sphere that could go through that slot?

Do you mean this stormwater drain in the gutter? They are known to swallow up tennis balls and cats, but not small children (well not one this size).

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Image: Google Street View
 
Do you mean this stormwater drain in the gutter? They are known to swallow up tennis balls and cats, but not small children (well not one this size).

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Image: Google Street View

Yes that is the gully. The reason is I have found another case in which a small child disappeared into a similar slot-shaped gully at the side of a road.
I am hoping for a scientific estimate of the exact diameter (in centimetres or inches) of the largest diameter rigid ball (sphere) that would fit through that slot?
 
They used ground penetrating radar in the local vicinity to rule out WT being in such a situation.
 
Yes that is the gully. The reason is I have found another case in which a small child disappeared into a similar slot-shaped gully at the side of a road.
I am hoping for a scientific estimate of the exact diameter (in centimetres or inches) of the largest diameter rigid ball (sphere) that would fit through that slot?

I don't know the size, but I just measured a few on my street that are typical of NSW. Roughly 93-98mm height (your ball diameter). Council standards for drainage are here, but I couldn't see anything obvious:

http://www.pmhc.nsw.gov.au/Building...-Development-Specifications/Standard-Drawings
 
Yes that is the gully. The reason is I have found another case in which a small child disappeared into a similar slot-shaped gully at the side of a road.
I am hoping for a scientific estimate of the exact diameter (in centimetres or inches) of the largest diameter rigid ball (sphere) that would fit through that slot?

From Queensland:
http://www.maxq.com.au/images/Downloads/Child Safety.pdf

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What was "the twist that shows who should be in the spotlight"??? There was no new information at all - how strange...

Legal action? Maybe that story did not go to air as first planned? I am well aware that MSM are not above using some elaborate wording to get us to watch...but that does seem very OTT...a big call to make with nothing to show for it. I think the anniversary will be much more telling. Of course it could have been a deliberate scare tactic too. I am very much rethinking my ideas on this case at the moment. One thing I do want to say is, I call BS (as in cow excrement) on the 2 cars spotted. I think we all heard the emergency call by the FM, I think if there were cars there we would have heard about it at the beginning.
 
I don't know the size, but I just measured a few on my street that are typical of NSW. Roughly 93-98mm height (your ball diameter). Council standards for drainage are here, but I couldn't see anything obvious:

http://www.pmhc.nsw.gov.au/Building...-Development-Specifications/Standard-Drawings

Following on:

World Health Organisation
Child Growth Standards
Head Circumference-for-age Charts
Boys Percentiles


http://www.who.int/childgrowth/standards/second_set/chts_hcfa_boys_p/en/

Head circumference-for-age: Birth to 5 years (.PDF 47.04 KB)

http://www.who.int/entity/childgrowth/standards/second_set/cht_hcfa_boys_p_0_5.pdf?ua=1

A male child aged 3 years old would be expected to have a head circumference between approximately 47 and 52 cm.
 
Thankyou @richieswan @eloise @bohemian. The greatest obstacle to fitting through a long slot, for a small child, is head size (see regulations for maximum permitted gap between railings). WT was 38.5 months old at time of disappearance. Average male head circumference at 38.5 months = 50cm. Average cephalic index (width of skull divided by front-to back length of skull) = 80%. This gives estimated head length = 17.6cm and estimated head width = 14cm. Therefore (if my amateur mathematics are correct) an average 38.5 months male child can fit through a long slot with small dimension = 14cm. I drew 14cm on a piece of paper, it is surprisingly small.
 
Thankyou @richieswan @eloise @bohemian. The greatest obstacle to fitting through a long slot is head size (see regulations for maximum permitted gap between railings). WT was 38.5 months old at time of disappearance. Average male head circumference at 38.5 months = 50cm. Average cephalic index (width of skull divided by front-to back length of skull) = 80%. This gives estimated head length = 17.6cm and estimated head width = 14cm. Therefore (if my amateur mathematics are correct) an average 38.5 months male child can fit through a long slot with small dimension = 14cm. I drew 14cm on a piece of paper, it is surprisingly small.

Understand your POV, koios. If you're postulating the likelihood of William voluntarily climbing into a drain to hide; I think my answer would be 'No.', based on his stated personality.

Could his remains have been secreted in a kerbside inlet channel? Yes, but again, unless there was immediate flooding, or the location was isolated; I think the products of decomposition would have been noticed.
 
The case I referred to is that of Darnell Brown in GA USA. Please note that head size at 1 year is almost as large as at 3 years. I have images of that (GA) slot-shaped gully before that incident happened, which I hope to post tomorrow.
@Bohemian: the postulation is of accidentally falling in, by a sequence similar to the GA case.
 
does anybody know what sydney tv channels usually broadcast the live police press conferences?
 
does anybody know what sydney tv channels usually broadcast the live police press conferences?

I would think it will get widespread coverage on all channels. Det Jubelin stated it would be a significant press conference. But ABC News 24 probably best bet? No ad breaks?
 
does anybody know what sydney tv channels usually broadcast the live police press conferences?

ABC News 24 usually provides TV broadcasts and livestreams NSWPOL major crime news conferences.

ABC News 24 Livestream:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/live/

Also broadcast on NSWPOL's various SM platforms.

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/Our_Facebook_page_2011_-_Present

particularly;

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/nswpoliceforce

Periscope: https://www.periscope.tv/nswpolice
 
thanks for the info and links parak and bohemian, really looking forward to hearing what det jubelin has to say!
 
Sorry, a little OT from where the thread is drifting right now (I am consistently catching up, lol), but I just wanted to say that the 'Hundreds of POIs' would almost definitely still include some residents from Benaroon Dr and surrounding areas, as well as regular visitors to the street (i.e., postal workers, utility meter readers, possibly council workers, door-to-door sales people e.t.c.).

Those with watertight alibis would have been excluded already, but those without will remain as POIs until they are cleared (or arrested). Some of these POIs would be secondary (wrong place, wrong time, insufficient alibi); whereas some would be primary (people within the area who have no alibi, historical charges and perhaps some circumstantial evidence showing that it's possible they were capable of taking William at the time, or evidence pointing to later involvement). Out of the hundreds of POIs, most of them are likely secondary POIs and investigations would be concentrated on the few primary POIs.

I'd say the POIs we have heard about in the media are the majority of primary POIs, but there's no doubt a couple of leads we haven't heard about (yet). so when we hear about hundreds of POIs, the majority of these would be completely innocent citizens living close by, who just haven't been completely excluded yet.

Frogwell, in regards to what you have said about BS being targeted by the media, it would be truly tragic if he was completely innocent and being targeted in this manner, but if he hasn't been cleared yet, it is either because:
1) His alibi/s haven't checked out and nothing else has indicated he isn't involved, or...
2) He has not been cleared due to police strategies because they want somebody else to believe he is being monitored.
Now, police definitely do use strategies when needed, but (like every Govt. department) they have a budget, so it's extremely unlikely they would use a strategy that could later result in a huge compensation claim for defamation etc. One could argue that maybe BS is cooperating with a strategy, but if that was the case, you'd think he would negotiate a deal on his historic charges. This clearly hasn't happened or there would be a conclusion (guilty plea) to those.

Also IMO, there's no chance that LE have just simply forgotten to clear him publicly yet. If you were innocent and named a POI in the same manner, what lengths would you go to, to clear your name? You certainly wouldn't let LE just forget about you, would you? Regardless, if he is innocent of all accusations, justice will prevail and he will be compensated eventually.


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