Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #26

[Hbayne]

I check in here everyday. I hope for any new developments but it's reassuring to know there is a full time task force working on this . Wish there would be a break.
The silence is deafening

 

[Sillybilly]

This thread is dedicated to discussion of the William Tyrell case. Unrelated posts have been removed.

Please stay on topic.

:tyou:

 

[gregjrichards]

Post from Where is William Tyrrell? Bring him home Facebook page.

During National Missing Person’s Week Australia is reminded of the heartbreak far too many families feel because a loved one is missing. For William’s family as with many others, the pain, loss and heartbreak will continue until their loved one is found. Our thoughts are with them all. So too are our hopes and prayers that missing loved ones are returned to the arms of their families where they belong. We're appealling to anyone who knows anything of William’s abduction to report it during National Missing Person’s Week. Are you the someone who knows something? NSW Police are offering a $1Million reward for information that will lead them to William. That’s $1Million reasons to make the call. If you HEARD something, SAW something or KNOW something of William’s abduction, call Crime Stoppers NOW on 1800 333 000. Make the call! #OneMillionReasons, #BringHimHome, #BringWilliamHome, #MakeTheCall, #WheresWilliam, #NowsTheTime
http://www.whereswilliam.org/

 

[frogwell]

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/kendall-in-agony-over-mystery-of-a-little-boy-lost-20140920-10jn4y.html

SEPTEMBER 21 2014

But every day since William went missing from his grandmother's backyard in Kendall on September 12, wearing his favourite Spider-Man suit, searchers have returned with the same answer: "Nil result".

In one of the most baffling missing persons cases he has seen, ..... said he has nothing, not even a hunch, to suggest what has happened to William.

However, Superintendent Fehon said there has not been a shred of evidence that William either wandered into the bush, was abducted by a stranger, or taken by someone known to him.

There is little, if any, through traffic, making the probability of a random, opportunistic attack "next to nil," Superintendent Fehon said.

Neighbours said they didn't hear or see any cars or strangers on Friday.

"That's the baffling part of this case," Superintendent Fehon said. "There is simply nothing."

"Tell me, what do you think has happened?" he asks, turning to a small group of reporters who all shrug. "We don't know either," he says.

The above are quotes from an article 21/09/2014, 9 days after WT's disappearance. We do know that a lot was going on behind the scenes in the investigation from day 1. Possibly as there was no real evidence to indicate what had happened to WT, all feasible eventualities have needed to be investigated, I am guessing. If what Fehon said to reporters on this date is true, then no strangers or strange cars were seen by neighbors that day. If his statement was not true, at what stage has the investigation team decided to withhold cars or strangers seen in the area and why. They may not have had evidence at that time to have thought about a particular line of inquiry however I have always had the sense (I know that is unreliable to go on), that the police from day one had a particular instinct as to who may have been responsible for WT's disappearance. And I think the reporters picked up on that instinct as well from the police. I can't recall a time I have seen police so open about their bafflement and bewilderment. In fact I remember thinking it was a veiled way of saying something else at the time. I've looked at a lot of angles on this case and I still can't shake a certain option. Maybe I read too much into things. What has changed for me though, is I do think he was in Kendall that morning and I do think he was the victim of a planned abduction, motive unknown.

The article below was published in April 2015. Parts of the article give information from this day that Fehon talked to a small group of reporters. I think it's strange that the only person who seems to have written up the above interview out of the small group of reporters is the journalist from SMH, as far as I can see.

Finally, trawling through articles from September 2014, the thing that stands out to me, was when, the FM went into the house to make a cup of tea. I'm a bit slow and I figure other members have pondered this point years ago.

Also, I don't trust that any family has been cleared although it has been reported widely, an example is Natalie Collins. GJ cleared all family in the below article in April 2015 and in the 60 minutes interview and yet we have seen in the media that Natalie has been looked at since then. It's interesting that NC has not been covered by the gag order, and the almost immediate reaction the Where's William campaign had when her opinion that WT was dead was published, saying "police believe William is alive." I have not seen police confirm that belief anywhere. Is it true that if police clear you on the public record in an investigation, that if you are charged later on you can say they were entrapped by the police?


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...sh-into-thin-air/story-e6frg6z6-1227308929078

All MOO of course.

 

[JLZ]

Frogwell, I don't understand your point about the cup of tea?

 

[Wexford]

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/kendall-in-agony-over-mystery-of-a-little-boy-lost-20140920-10jn4y.html

SEPTEMBER 21 2014

But every day since William went missing from his grandmother's backyard in Kendall on September 12, wearing his favourite Spider-Man suit, searchers have returned with the same answer: "Nil result".

In one of the most baffling missing persons cases he has seen, ..... said he has nothing, not even a hunch, to suggest what has happened to William.

However, Superintendent Fehon said there has not been a shred of evidence that William either wandered into the bush, was abducted by a stranger, or taken by someone known to him.

There is little, if any, through traffic, making the probability of a random, opportunistic attack "next to nil," Superintendent Fehon said.

Neighbours said they didn't hear or see any cars or strangers on Friday.

"That's the baffling part of this case," Superintendent Fehon said. "There is simply nothing."

"Tell me, what do you think has happened?" he asks, turning to a small group of reporters who all shrug. "We don't know either," he says.

The above are quotes from an article 21/09/2014, 9 days after WT's disappearance. We do know that a lot was going on behind the scenes in the investigation from day 1. Possibly as there was no real evidence to indicate what had happened to WT, all feasible eventualities have needed to be investigated, I am guessing. If what Fehon said to reporters on this date is true, then no strangers or strange cars were seen by neighbors that day. If his statement was not true, at what stage has the investigation team decided to withhold cars or strangers seen in the area and why. They may not have had evidence at that time to have thought about a particular line of inquiry however I have always had the sense (I know that is unreliable to go on), that the police from day one had a particular instinct as to who may have been responsible for WT's disappearance. And I think the reporters picked up on that instinct as well from the police. I can't recall a time I have seen police so open about their bafflement and bewilderment. In fact I remember thinking it was a veiled way of saying something else at the time. I've looked at a lot of angles on this case and I still can't shake a certain option. Maybe I read too much into things. What has changed for me though, is I do think he was in Kendall that morning and I do think he was the victim of a planned abduction, motive unknown.

The article below was published in April 2015. Parts of the article give information from this day that Fehon talked to a small group of reporters. I think it's strange that the only person who seems to have written up the above interview out of the small group of reporters is the journalist from SMH, as far as I can see.

Finally, trawling through articles from September 2014, the thing that stands out to me, was when, the FM went into the house to make a cup of tea. I'm a bit slow and I figure other members have pondered this point years ago.

Also, I don't trust that any family has been cleared although it has been reported widely, an example is Natalie Collins. GJ cleared all family in the below article in April 2015 and in the 60 minutes interview and yet we have seen in the media that Natalie has been looked at since then. It's interesting that NC has not been covered by the gag order, and the almost immediate reaction the Where's William campaign had when her opinion that WT was dead was published, saying "police believe William is alive." I have not seen police confirm that belief anywhere. Is it true that if police clear you on the public record in an investigation, that if you are charged later on you can say they were entrapped by the police?


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...sh-into-thin-air/story-e6frg6z6-1227308929078

All MOO of course.

Interesting that what Fehon says here contradicts so many things that Jubelin has said. Also of interest to me compared to what Fehon says here is contradicted by Snr Constable Vanessa Partridge that 'something is not right'
https://m.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=804822206268634&id=114990695251792&substory_index=0

This article also mentions similar comments by Partridge and also mentions Fehon talking to a small group of reporters: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...sh-into-thin-air/story-e6frg6z6-1227308929078

 

[frogwell]

I think that both times I have seen Snr Constable Partridge named in either an article or 60 minutes, she has sent a strong message, that within the first 24 hours of WT's disappearance, her gut told her something hinky was going on. Her impressions have been left to stand in the most broadest terms. My opinion is she does not think a stranger abducted WT. I don't think her impressions contradicted Fehon's, I think he was being very careful in how he proceeded with this scenario, saying there is no evidence which direction to head in but they are open to every possibility and being methodical in their search.

Questions for the panel:
How long does it take your full kettle to boil?
What do you generally do while waiting for the kettle to boil?

My kettle takes about 5 minutes and I wander around doing little things about the house. e.g watering the plants with my watering can in the front yard.

MOO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/kendall-in-agony-over-mystery-of-a-little-boy-lost-20140920-10jn4y.html

SEPTEMBER 21 2014

But every day since William went missing from his grandmother's backyard in Kendall on September 12, wearing his favourite Spider-Man suit, searchers have returned with the same answer: "Nil result".

In one of the most baffling missing persons cases he has seen, ..... said he has nothing, not even a hunch, to suggest what has happened to William.

However, Superintendent Fehon said there has not been a shred of evidence that William either wandered into the bush, was abducted by a stranger, or taken by someone known to him.

There is little, if any, through traffic, making the probability of a random, opportunistic attack "next to nil," Superintendent Fehon said.

Neighbours said they didn't hear or see any cars or strangers on Friday.

"That's the baffling part of this case," Superintendent Fehon said. "There is simply nothing."

"Tell me, what do you think has happened?" he asks, turning to a small group of reporters who all shrug. "We don't know either," he says.

The above are quotes from an article 21/09/2014, 9 days after WT's disappearance. We do know that a lot was going on behind the scenes in the investigation from day 1. Possibly as there was no real evidence to indicate what had happened to WT, all feasible eventualities have needed to be investigated, I am guessing. If what Fehon said to reporters on this date is true, then no strangers or strange cars were seen by neighbors that day. If his statement was not true, at what stage has the investigation team decided to withhold cars or strangers seen in the area and why. They may not have had evidence at that time to have thought about a particular line of inquiry however I have always had the sense (I know that is unreliable to go on), that the police from day one had a particular instinct as to who may have been responsible for WT's disappearance. And I think the reporters picked up on that instinct as well from the police. I can't recall a time I have seen police so open about their bafflement and bewilderment. In fact I remember thinking it was a veiled way of saying something else at the time. I've looked at a lot of angles on this case and I still can't shake a certain option. Maybe I read too much into things. What has changed for me though, is I do think he was in Kendall that morning and I do think he was the victim of a planned abduction, motive unknown.

The article below was published in April 2015. Parts of the article give information from this day that Fehon talked to a small group of reporters. I think it's strange that the only person who seems to have written up the above interview out of the small group of reporters is the journalist from SMH, as far as I can see.

Finally, trawling through articles from September 2014, the thing that stands out to me, was when, the FM went into the house to make a cup of tea. I'm a bit slow and I figure other members have pondered this point years ago.

Also, I don't trust that any family has been cleared although it has been reported widely, an example is Natalie Collins. GJ cleared all family in the below article in April 2015 and in the 60 minutes interview and yet we have seen in the media that Natalie has been looked at since then. It's interesting that NC has not been covered by the gag order, and the almost immediate reaction the Where's William campaign had when her opinion that WT was dead was published, saying "police believe William is alive." I have not seen police confirm that belief anywhere. Is it true that if police clear you on the public record in an investigation, that if you are charged later on you can say they were entrapped by the police?


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...sh-into-thin-air/story-e6frg6z6-1227308929078

All MOO of course.

However, Superintendent Fehon said there has not been a shred of evidence that William either wandered into the bush, was abducted by a stranger, or taken by someone known to him.

bbm
So WT didn't disappear FROM home but AT home - which made the Snr Constable Partridge feel "something isn't quite right". - My interpretation.

 

[iailwa]

Hello guys - I am new here so forgive me!

I have been looking at this case a lot lately for a university assignment. Because i am new i am sometimes finding searching threads difficult! & haven't been able to locate some stuff i am now wanting to ask.

1) it seems there was a 4wd that sped out of William's street at around 10.30am. It seems this car & it's occupant was seen in town prior to this. Just wondering if anyone has details of the 4wd and the POI wrt this? i can't find much info about it - but perhaps this is because the police are keeping the info low key?

2) the "jesus saves william tyrell" odd message on the tree stump. Is it possible that an offender would come back to the site - some time later - and leave a message? Kind of like a signature, or a perverted revisit to a scene near/or close to william? I have read this sign was left after the 'gamers' were there. I have seen several articles about the gamers stating it wasn't there until after the jar was placed under the stump. I wonder if the perp is coming back to the area and leaving behind some kind of signature? especially if he is "godly' or narcissistic & grandeur...

Please, if any of you can assist?

Thank you all, and i do apologise for my ignorance with thread searches!

iailwa

 

[Hbayne]

Hello guys - I am new here so forgive me!

I have been looking at this case a lot lately for a university assignment. Because i am new i am sometimes finding searching threads difficult! & haven't been able to locate some stuff i am now wanting to ask.

1) it seems there was a 4wd that sped out of William's street at around 10.30am. It seems this car & it's occupant was seen in town prior to this. Just wondering if anyone has details of the 4wd and the POI wrt this? i can't find much info about it - but perhaps this is because the police are keeping the info low key?

2) the "jesus saves william tyrell" odd message on the tree stump. Is it possible that an offender would come back to the site - some time later - and leave a message? Kind of like a signature, or a perverted revisit to a scene near/or close to william? I have read this sign was left after the 'gamers' were there. I have seen several articles about the gamers stating it wasn't there until after the jar was placed under the stump. I wonder if the perp is coming back to the area and leaving behind some kind of signature? especially if he is "godly' or narcissistic & grandeur...

Please, if any of you can assist?

Thank you all, and i do apologise for my ignorance with thread searches!

iailwa

Hi and welcome. Seemed to be dismissed pretty early on as well as the reports about the tree engraved dad loves William or something along those lines. Seems significant to me. I'm not good at researching earlier threads either but will be interested too to go over these findings.

 

[frogwell]

Hello guys - I am new here so forgive me!

I have been looking at this case a lot lately for a university assignment. Because i am new i am sometimes finding searching threads difficult! & haven't been able to locate some stuff i am now wanting to ask.

1) it seems there was a 4wd that sped out of William's street at around 10.30am. It seems this car & it's occupant was seen in town prior to this. Just wondering if anyone has details of the 4wd and the POI wrt this? i can't find much info about it - but perhaps this is because the police are keeping the info low key?

2) the "jesus saves william tyrell" odd message on the tree stump. Is it possible that an offender would come back to the site - some time later - and leave a message? Kind of like a signature, or a perverted revisit to a scene near/or close to william? I have read this sign was left after the 'gamers' were there. I have seen several articles about the gamers stating it wasn't there until after the jar was placed under the stump. I wonder if the perp is coming back to the area and leaving behind some kind of signature? especially if he is "godly' or narcissistic & grandeur...

Please, if any of you can assist?

Thank you all, and i do apologise for my ignorance with thread searches!

iailwa

Hi iailwa and welcome

In regards to your 1st point from what I have seen reported about the white 4 wheel drive speeding out of Benaroon drive at 10.30 am, my understanding is the vehicle was seen speeding in another Kendall street after it left Benaroon Drive. No POI from that vehicle has been identified in the media as far as I know. What is interesting about the white 4 wheel drive is the inference in articles that it was seen elsewhere in Kendall speeding, which means to me, at least 2 different people saw the vehicle besides the last people to see WT. It also means that two separate people either saw the same distinguishing features on the vehicle, or recognised the same person, otherwise how else could they tell it was the same car in different parts of Kendall?

2nd point, I guess anything is possible. Police qquickly cordoned off the area when they were informed about the message and investigated the area. Again, if anything was found, they have not reported it publicly. MOO

 

[iailwa]

thanks for your welcome @Hbayne Yes it's quite interesting, and just plain weird. I think the 'william and dad' reference on another tree was discounted because the etching was too old? There's some talk the paint was quite fresh on the 'jesus saves" message. I can bearly find any info on the net about the SUV. cheers ~ iailwa

 

[iailwa]

Thanks @frogwell for your welcome. Yes i agree totally, more than one siting. I never did read anywhere that it was white, so that's interesting thanks. I can understand some freak might need to speed if he's snatched little william, yet be as calm as a cucumber leaving his street. I've also read there was a car that did a uturn in Benaroon Drive, earlier in the day - around 9am. I have read conflicting stuff as to what kind of vehicle, do you know if it was a grey SUV? When the other car is mentioned - the one seen leaving Benadoon drive around 10.30 and speeding later, they always refer to it as a 4WD. I wonder if most of the public know the difference, including me Clearance underneath? size? I'm female and not really into cars. cheers ~ iailwa

 

[iailwa]

Has anyone got any tips about the guy that was asking directions in town prior to William going missing? I read that 'various' shops were told not to delete CCTV footage and not to discuss details etc, so there's very little info online. This brings me to wonder why the police are sitting on this info for so long? It's the anniversary soon - I hope they will release something. 3 years, the poor little fella

 

[gregjrichards]

Welcome to Websluths iailwa thank you for joining us. Best of luck with your university studies. You have asked great questions about William's case. It is a tragedy that the third anniversary of William's abduction is coming very soon. Sadly I don't know what more law enforcement can do with the $1 million Australian dollar reward being offered.

 

[frogwell]

Thanks @frogwell for your welcome. Yes i agree totally, more than one siting. I never did read anywhere that it was white, so that's interesting thanks. I can understand some freak might need to speed if he's snatched little william, yet be as calm as a cucumber leaving his street. I've also read there was a car that did a uturn in Benaroon Drive, earlier in the day - around 9am. I have read conflicting stuff as to what kind of vehicle, do you know if it was a grey SUV? When the other car is mentioned - the one seen leaving Benadoon drive around 10.30 and speeding later, they always refer to it as a 4WD. I wonder if most of the public know the difference, including me Clearance underneath? size? I'm female and not really into cars. cheers ~ iailwa

9 a.m grey/green sedan does a uturn in the culdesac while WT and his sister play on their bikes on the driveway. I don't think it has been specified who exactly saw the vehicle then if it was both parents, or just one.
9 - 10.25? FM notices two parked cars with the driver's windows down, she doesn't see the people who the cars belong to, the cars are sitting between 2 properties on the the boarder, which she thinks is odd. One is an old white station wagon and one is a dark grey sedan. Next door neighbor leaves at about 9 am, FF leaves for his skype meeting at 9.15 am, last photo of WT is taken at 9.45 am where he is acting like "Daddy tiger", WT noticed as missing after 5 minutes at the most at around 10.30 am whilst playing "Daddy tiger". It has been reported that no neighbors saw any strange cars or people that morning and when the FM rang the police, she did not recall seeing any strange cars or people when talking to the police operator. She remembered the cars and reported them to the police the 1st evening WT had disappeared, although her 1st instinct when she couldn't find WT was that he had been abducted.

10.30 am a white four-wheel-drive was witnessed speeding from Benaroon Dr and seen speeding in another street in Kendall that morning, don't know who reported it to the police and it did not seem to be noticed by neighbors who were home.

 

[iailwa]

Wow? If the public had some more details about the 4WD that was speeding, and the guy in town, then maybe they'd have more leads. I read an earlier thread on here, that this 4wd was damaged, but can't find that info elsewhere on the net. Also, the sign about Jesus is totally weird. Makes me think they already know who did it, & so these things are triaged, or perhaps the previous POIs have been discontinued and they are hesitant to come forth with extra info about another perp until the next anniversary. Every time they come forth they get blastered for leaving it too long - feel sorry for the police & i hope they are covering more avenues than the 4 or 5 POIs. It's remarkable how hard it is to find rumours even on the net. They are def doing their job! I don't buy the jesus sign and their disappointment about it being related to william avenue. I think they were pretty happy bout it to be honest! speculation on my part...

 

[iailwa]

ok. wow. i thought the 4wd wasn't speeding as it left Benaroon drive but was seen speeding shortly after. In the street out of Benaroon (battar drive, from memory) - police stopped vehicles & asked about what their usual habits are and why are they passing etc, in the days following. Perhaps he sped down this road? no idea! Could have been the 2nd siting was closer to town, or leaving town? but i think he was speeding close to Benaroon, according detective J??

 

[iailwa]

you know @gregjrichards - the reward means nothing if the perp is very silent. family may not even suspect him. perhaps he's cunning enough to talk in basic terms only when the subject comes up? i wonder if he has inserted himself in the investigation via - walk for william - or here on this site - or any other way (the sign on the stump may be a good example of some other way!) Just thinking aloud

 

[Warshawski]

Wow? If the public had some more details about the 4WD that was speeding, and the guy in town, then maybe they'd have more leads. I read an earlier thread on here, that this 4wd was damaged, but can't find that info elsewhere on the net. Also, the sign about Jesus is totally weird. Makes me think they already know who did it, & so these things are triaged, or perhaps the previous POIs have been discontinued and they are hesitant to come forth with extra info about another perp until the next anniversary. Every time they come forth they get blastered for leaving it too long - feel sorry for the police & i hope they are covering more avenues than the 4 or 5 POIs. It's remarkable how hard it is to find rumours even on the net. They are def doing their job! I don't buy the jesus sign and their disappointment about it being related to william avenue. I think they were pretty happy bout it to be honest! speculation on my part...

Hello iailwa, it's great to have you join us You are raising some relevant points / questions (am intrigued to know your area of study but will leave that alone) I'm appreciative of your fresh mind 'take' to scenarios & situations & lets hope for something that triggers an answer to this little boys disappearance.

I'm absolutely Intrigued by the lack of (publicly acknowledged) response to the $1,000,000 Reward posted for information ..I know it came with by lines of 'leading to ..whatever' but to me, the most minute snippet of information can 'lead to' the ultimate breakthrough.

So I have questioned myself ( note a different personality & different scenario in my questioning 'I think I saw / perhaps I have information' ... but I am keeping it to myself') - so what would keep me silent?

What would keep me from the $1,000,000 that is at my fingertips?

The he answer to that question IMO provides the answer to all ...