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papertrail said:
I am not trying to control or correct anyone. Just putting information that is valid.

I will only include 'imo' when I think it necessary and ONLY when I deem it necessary. Thankyou.
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To be clear ... Websleuths requires that if you state something as fact, you must provide a link to substantiate; otherwise you must make it clear that it is your opinion (i.e. I think, I believe, IMO, MOO, JMO ) ... so not just when you think it is necessary.
 
Cagney&Lacey said:
Just a thought that perhaps as LE were aware of the car and had already noted any evidence or lack there of, they left it insitu and monitored activity in the area. Perhaps TJ did recently return to the car and that was the reason for the recent search in the area by police.
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I think that if Jones has stolen yet another car and burned it - apart from the one(s) he has already been charged for doing that to - the police would be interested in that, as a whole different aspect of crime.
These could well be insurance jobs he is assisting with, or malicious crimes against people who have irked him somehow. imo
If he is involved in the burning of this car.
 
Karinna said:
BBM, I thought that GJ has declared BS a POI and TJ & PB as well in their investigation? But i agree they don't to my knowledge declare publicly when someone is no longer a POI.
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BILL Spedding, a man police say has been a person of interest in the William Tyrrell inquiry,
Tyrrell ‘person of interest’ to appear in court
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'Police say'. there is no police media release making a statement re persons of interest. DCI Jubelin nor any other detective have ever mentioned anyone by name and referred to them as POI.

Its the media pack that have run with persons names.
 
frogwell said:
https://www.9now.com.au/a-current-a...wfbf8z1p/17c0fae3-ef48-4307-87ca-f2b6883b9759

*ACA says BS's NSW and Victorian charges were dropped. If that is the case, why is it not being covered generally in the media? (GJ is suspiciosly absent around the Bowraville outcome, 4th anniversary of WT's disappearance)
*The neighbor may dispute the hot water system, but how does the neighbor know that TJ was referring specifically to her husband and not a different hot water system with a different neighbor. (unlikely I know)
*If TJ used to burn out cars, it could be that he was doing crime using those vehichles, or he does insurance jobs for people. Otherwise he would be using the cars for scrap to sell.
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I believe they arn't allowed to report on the outcome of the NSW case, due to a suppression order currently being in place. Why one was put in place baffles me, when they were all so quick to report about the alleged crimes.

That's st8 out of the cat's mouth on SM, of course I can't provide a link...so it's MOO
 
Do we know the outcome of BS first trial ? second one yes as it’s stated as dismissed .
 
sleepinoz said:
I prefer to go with the word 'withdrawn' due to no MSM, not including ACA. If there is a suppression order ACA wouldn't be able to report anyway.
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Yes, a direct quote from Magistrate Saines says that the Vic charges were withdrawn. I have no idea what SM is rumouring ... but a direct quote from the ruling magistrate is definitely the accurate way to go.

Also, ACA doesn't state which charges were dropped. They just said that 'the' charges were dropped. They do not state which case that happened in, or which charges were dropped.
There were multiple charges in each of the cases. There is no accuracy to be gained from the ACA video. imo


But prosecutors withdrew the 67-year-old’s charges in the Ballarat Magistrates’ Court today.
“I will mark all charges as withdrawn,” Magistrate Ronald Saines said.
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph
August 9, 2018

ACA at the 3:04 min mark:
"Mr Spedding .. the charges, now that the charges have been dropped you must be a relieved man, you must be willing to clear your name?"
https://www.9now.com.au/a-current-a...wfbf8z1p/17c0fae3-ef48-4307-87ca-f2b6883b9759
 
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sleepinoz said:
I prefer to go with the word 'withdrawn' due to no MSM, not including ACA. If there is a suppression order ACA wouldn't be able to report anyway.
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SouthAussie said:
Yes, a direct quote from Magistrate Saines says that the Vic charges were withdrawn. I have no idea what SM is rumouring ... but a direct quote from the ruling magistrate is definitely the accurate way to go.

Also, ACA doesn't state which charges were dropped. They just said that 'the' charges were dropped. They do not state which case that happened in, or which charges were dropped.
There were multiple charges in each of the cases. There is no accuracy to be gained from the ACA video. imo


But prosecutors withdrew the 67-year-old’s charges in the Ballarat Magistrates’ Court today.
“I will mark all charges as withdrawn,” Magistrate Ronald Saines said.
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph
August 9, 2018

ACA at the 3:04 min mark
"Mr Spedding .. the charges, now that the charges have been dropped you must be a relieved man, you must be willing to clear your name?"
https://www.9now.com.au/a-current-a...wfbf8z1p/17c0fae3-ef48-4307-87ca-f2b6883b9759
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Dropped for VIC, no MSM article with the NSW outcome published...so I guess time will tell, once a suppression order is sorted IMO
 
CuriousCritter said:
Dropped for VIC, no MSM article with the NSW outcome published...so I guess time will tell, once a suppression order is sorted IMO
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IF there is a suppression order for the outcome of the NSW charges. it won't be sorted - that is it as far as the courts are concerned. IMO for good measure :D

ETA Dropped and withdrawn are very different.
 
papertrail said:
'Police say'. there is no police media release making a statement re persons of interest. DCI Jubelin nor any other detective have ever mentioned anyone by name and referred to them as POI.

Its the media pack that have run with persons names.
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Well maybe that's another reason BS is litigating against media perhaps?
Although i think the big search of BS's premises way back in this case should clearly tell us he is or was a POI far as LE were concerned. All IMO
 
sleepinoz said:
IF there is a suppression order for the outcome of the NSW charges. it won't be sorted - that is it as far as the courts are concerned. IMO for good measure :D

ETA Dropped and withdrawn are very different.
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Also, IF there is a suppression order in place, the Support Bill Spedding SM campaign can really say anything they want about the case results, can't they? Nothing can be verified, nothing can be proved, it is all just he says/she says.

With our pathetic sentencing regime for child sex crimes, if he was put on a 2 year good behaviour bond and was told to stay away from young children, nobody would know the difference. They would just think he was out and walking around, so any 'acquitted' rumours must be true. Such rumours could be far from the truth. imo
 
SouthAussie said:
Also, IF there is a suppression order in place, the Support Bill Spedding SM campaign can really say anything they want about the case results, can't they? Nothing can be verified, nothing can be proved, it is all just he says/she says.

With our pathetic sentencing regime for child sex crimes, if he was put on a 2 year good behaviour bond and was told to stay away from young children, nobody would know the difference. They would just think he was out and walking around, so any 'acquitted' rumours must be true. Such rumours could be far from the truth. imo
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Spot on ;)
 
sleepinoz said:
Or they are holding it for another time :cool: IMO
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Charges Withdrawn

Did the Prosecution withdraw the charges?

If you have charge sheets and the prosecution have decided to withdraw all your charges then the matter is over.

If they withdraw charges rather than have them dismissed they can re-lay them at some later point. With a lot of summary matters there are time limits for charges to be laid. It is very rare that charges get laid again at a later point and our firm has not had a case where they have been. It is pretty clear when cases are being withdrawn what the real reason is (ie no proper identification evidence etc).

If the matter was a “Notice to Appear” the withdrawal of that Notice does not mean that they will not be proceeding. It may mean that the charges are withdrawn, but if an Informant is busy they might withdraw the Notice and issue charges at a later point

Normally a withdrawal of charges is an acknowledgement that they can not prove you guilty of the charges.
Withdrawing charges
 
Karinna said:
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Charges Withdrawn

Did the Prosecution withdraw the charges?

If you have charge sheets and the prosecution have decided to withdraw all your charges then the matter is over.

If they withdraw charges rather than have them dismissed they can re-lay them at some later point. With a lot of summary matters there are time limits for charges to be laid. It is very rare that charges get laid again at a later point and our firm has not had a case where they have been. It is pretty clear when cases are being withdrawn what the real reason is (ie no proper identification evidence etc).

If the matter was a “Notice to Appear” the withdrawal of that Notice does not mean that they will not be proceeding. It may mean that the charges are withdrawn, but if an Informant is busy they might withdraw the Notice and issue charges at a later point

Normally a withdrawal of charges is an acknowledgement that they can not prove you guilty of the charges.
Withdrawing charges
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Even so, I still have my opinion.
 
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