Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #42

[Deleted member 102539]

From the first day Williams disapearance hit MSM that he was missing it was evident that William had not wandered off ( I say this after the first few hours searching) as the time they realised he was missing and the time the search started and ended that day, IMO a child that age just couldnt get far. The amount searchers at the time and ground covered they would found him. Cant remember how close the nearest body of water was.... I know there was a creek or something close that was searched later but they would have found him IMOO. When did they first suspect that William did not wander off / get lost? Was it after the dogs were brought in and failed to detect any scent passed the driveway of William? With the recent MSM articles from the FF saying that the area was not sealed off and forensic material lost due to the amount foot traffic it leads me to beleive that there was never a hint of thought that he may have been abducted in the beginning by the police or the FP. When did they finally have that heart wrenching consideration / thought?

William Tyrrell inquest: foster mother immediately thought 'somebody has taken him'
“My immediate thought was somebody has taken him and he’s gone,” she said.

 

[they'll get you]

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[Wexford]

William Tyrrell inquest: foster mother immediately thought 'somebody has taken him'
“My immediate thought was somebody has taken him and he’s gone,” she said.

Yes when we finally got to hear the FFC story she said she thought someone had taken him and also one of the LE first on the scene also had a thought (which again we discovered later on) that something wasn't right (was it Vanessa Partridge?) but those running the show probably did not. They obviously did check the bio parents out but the concentration was really on a search until I think the washing machine repair came up.

 

[dragon52]

William Tyrrell inquest: foster mother immediately thought 'somebody has taken him'
“My immediate thought was somebody has taken him and he’s gone,” she said.

But she did not think it was the Bp’s?........so why\who did she think had taken him? Strange IMO.

 

[dragon52]

William Tyrrell inquest: foster mother immediately thought 'somebody has taken him'
“My immediate thought was somebody has taken him and he’s gone,” she said.

But who? Why? Very strange IMO.

 

[Thebottomline]

But she did not think it was the Bp’s?........so why\who did she think had taken him? Strange IMO.

Extended family of the bios maybe

 

[they'll get you]

Have you ever lost your car?

You start questioning yourself.
I thought I left it here.
Maybe I parked it on a different level.
Has it been stolen?
Has it been towed?
Am I going crazy?

My child went missing from a rural area on a no-through road and because no-one was ever around I didn’t really think he’d been abducted so I didn’t think of calling the police until all areas were searched.

When you live in suburbia maybe the first thought might be abduction.
You’d never think a little boy would be abducted from a quiet location like the end of Benaroon Drive.
Wrong place, wrong time, bloody bad luck.
Unless someone was in the right place and right time.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Have you ever lost your car?

You start questioning yourself.
I thought I left it here.
Maybe I parked it on a different level.
Has it been stolen?
Has it been towed?
Am I going crazy?

My child went missing from a rural area on a no-through road and because no-one was ever around I didn’t really think he’d been abducted so I didn’t think of calling the police until all areas were searched.

When you live in suburbia maybe the first thought might be abduction.
You’d never think a little boy would be abducted from a quiet location like the end of Benaroon Drive.
Wrong place, wrong time, bloody bad luck.
Unless someone was in the right place and right time.

Good, sensible, logical post, tgy.

 

[they'll get you]

But she did not think it was the Bp’s?........so why\who did she think had taken him? Strange IMO.

But who? Why? Very strange IMO.

I don’t see it as strange thinking at all dragon.

An intelligent person would use a process of elimination.

Where is he?
Keep looking, yelling or has someone taken him?

 

[dragon52]

I find the timing of the podcasts very strange. So much just not add up in my mind. The FPs have been silent for 5 years and now suddenly they want to give their version of what happened when William disappeared just weeks before the inquest. Why?

 

[Ms Cadfael]

I find the timing of the podcasts very strange. So much just not add up in my mind. The FPs have been silent for 5 years and now suddenly they want to give their version of what happened when William disappeared just weeks before the inquest. Why?

I dont think they have remained silent? They've realeased statements and gone on 60minutes.
I think selective would be a better term. They would have had plenty or sharks around them, hoping to devour their story for a quick buck so I admire their discernment. (Im thinking rogue journalists and questionable "psychics" too)
After all..its about finding William, making him and his story known. Not pandering to any adults regrets or grief or the want to make a quick $$.

All IMO.

 

[mussopossum]

Yes when we finally got to hear the FFC story she said she thought someone had taken him and also one of the LE first on the scene also had a thought (which again we discovered later on) that something wasn't right (was it Vanessa Partridge?) but those running the show probably did not. They obviously did check the bio parents out but the concentration was really on a search until I think the washing machine repair came up.

I agree, the allowing the area to be contaminated would lead me to believe That they truely believed he had wondered off to begin with. What about Maddie McCann? Was the hotel room outside the window, outside front door and any areas close to the room the family stayed in completely sealed off for evidence? Was it always known she had been taken and not wandered off by climbing through that open window or somehow getting out the door? Or was it always treated as crime scene?

 

[louisepiglet]

Have you ever lost your car?

You start questioning yourself.
I thought I left it here.
Maybe I parked it on a different level.
Has it been stolen?
Has it been towed?
Am I going crazy?

My child went missing from a rural area on a no-through road and because no-one was ever around I didn’t really think he’d been abducted so I didn’t think of calling the police until all areas were searched.

When you live in suburbia maybe the first thought might be abduction.
You’d never think a little boy would be abducted from a quiet location like the end of Benaroon Drive.
Wrong place, wrong time, bloody bad luck.
Unless someone was in the right place and right time.

I don't think it is strange that the FFC thoughts turned to abduction very quickly. It is a real fear of all parents these days. It is such a dreadful feeling when you cannot find your child, even when they show up very quickly. I cannot imagine how awful it must be as the time stretches and there is no sign of them.

 

[mussopossum]

Have you ever lost your car?

You start questioning yourself.
I thought I left it here.
Maybe I parked it on a different level.
Has it been stolen?
Has it been towed?
Am I going crazy?

My child went missing from a rural area on a no-through road and because no-one was ever around I didn’t really think he’d been abducted so I didn’t think of calling the police until all areas were searched.

When you live in suburbia maybe the first thought might be abduction.
You’d never think a little boy would be abducted from a quiet location like the end of Benaroon Drive.
Wrong place, wrong time, bloody bad luck.
Unless someone was in the right place and right time.

When under extreme stress anxiety I can’t even think if I closed my front door in the morning. I’m sure the panic at the time most likely both the fp could not think straight. And that street most certainly is a location out if town that would not be somewhere you generally would end up by accident.

 

[Thebottomline]

I find the timing of the podcasts very strange. So much just not add up in my mind. The FPs have been silent for 5 years and now suddenly they want to give their version of what happened when William disappeared just weeks before the inquest. Why?

Silent ? Have you not seen there interview 0r their media releases

 

[dragon52]

I don’t see it as strange thinking at all dragon.

An intelligent person would use a process of elimination.

Where is he?
Keep looking, yelling or has someone taken him?

Maybe

I dont think they have remained silent? They've realeased statements and gone on 60minutes.
I think selective would be a better term. They would have had plenty or sharks around them, hoping to devour their story for a quick buck so I admire their discernment. (Im thinking rogue journalists and questionable "psychics" too)
After all..its about finding William, making him and his story known. Not pandering to any adults regrets or grief or the want to make a quick $$.

All IMO.

OK even if we describe it as selective.......it is only a matter of weeks before the Inquest. I accept that they have been interviewed before 60 minutes, but that was a number of years ago and I would suggest that their story has changed quite significantly in the meantime. Nevertheless, my issue is the timing of the podcast. Surely the FCs will be questioned again at the inquest and their evidence will be made public, so why, just a matter of days/weeks beforehand would they be going into great detail about the when William disappeared?

 

[they'll get you]

I find the timing of the podcasts very strange. So much just not add up in my mind. The FPs have been silent for 5 years and now suddenly they want to give their version of what happened when William disappeared just weeks before the inquest. Why?

You ended with why. Why do YOU think they have remained silent when I can count at least 5 + times that I can think of which is more than the BF.

Why are your posts aimed at these people negatively?
Maybe FB will give you the answers you want because I doubt you’ll get them here on WS.

 

[they'll get you]

I dont think they have remained silent? They've realeased statements and gone on 60minutes.
I think selective would be a better term. They would have had plenty or sharks around them, hoping to devour their story for a quick buck so I admire their discernment. (Im thinking rogue journalists and questionable "psychics" too)
After all..its about finding William, making him and his story known. Not pandering to any adults regrets or grief or the want to make a quick $$.

All IMO.

GOOD POST.

 

[Warshawski]

On second listen to the podcast, I picked up something that’s new to me – the FF don’t think that William wandered down the slope towards the road (bolded by me).

6:14 FFC: “So what made me think that he was snatched, that somebody had taken him? Was the fact that I couldn’t see him going into the bush. I couldn’t see him running down the slope to the street.

6:29 MFC: Nup, he just wouldn’t do it.” (ref: One Last Roar)

So where exactly do they think he was snatched from? Just around the corner from where they were sitting?

Remember that this goes against what Jubelin thought happened, that William wandered down the slope and was taken by someone near the road as described in his 60minutes interview from 2015.

11:00 REPORTER: “Detective Jubelin believes William wandered down the slope towards the tree where he’d been playing with his mother just an hour before.

11:11 JUBELIN: I'm looking here and thinking, well a child’s not going to wander up in the bush, it’s a steep hill, it’s thick bush, it’s scary for a 3-year-old child, it’s scary. There’s a fence line there, I can’t see him going through the fence line. I can see a child wandering off down the slope.” (ref: https://www.youtube.com/nTh6DM5FEAY)

Further in the interview the reporter says:

8:52 REPORTER: “(Jubelin) discounts the idea an abductor ran up the yard and onto the property to take the little boy.” (ref: https://www.youtube.com/0H5fhsGSVOM&t=673s)

So again, do the FF believe he was abducted from next to the house? I guess not cordoning off the yard would make finding any evidence of William being abducted closer to the house (if that's the case?) difficult.

This was interesting for me, as in my mind, I've always invisioned William being mid-game with the Tiger Roar as he hid somewhere, only never to be seen again. A little boy caught up in playing his game is 'in the minute' so would not suddenly run off down the driveway ... IMO

Therefore, my thoughts in that regard - he was most likely grabbed & silenced from an area very close to the house. Easily done with a little boy, a big man ...perhaps even a bit of chloroform!

I believe Police Dogs didn't pick up his scent outside the property - yet I've wondered the $99 question - what scents picked up 'inside' ???

There's so many different 'opinions' as to what actually happened that morning - I don't envy the coroner !
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[Warshawski]

Okay, found the actual quote from the latest podcast episode:

46:32 HARRIS: “So obviously the police initially began questioning them about this situation with the birth family. FFC and MFF actually immediately declared that they didn’t believe the birth family could be responsible for it. But, police certainly did feel there was a strong possibility this was a case of parental abduction.”

(ref: One Last Roar)

And Authorities were certainly on the BF doorstep pretty quickly (even thinking younger sibling was William)

However, I personally think that's a standard / expected line of investigation. .. especially since there was an ongoing relationship. (Not about to go into the 'how' etc of it being conducted as I wasn't there )

 

[Warshawski]

On second listen to the podcast, I picked up something that’s new to me – the FF don’t think that William wandered down the slope towards the road (bolded by me).

6:14 FFC: “So what made me think that he was snatched, that somebody had taken him? Was the fact that I couldn’t see him going into the bush. I couldn’t see him running down the slope to the street.

6:29 MFC: Nup, he just wouldn’t do it.” (ref: One Last Roar)

So where exactly do they think he was snatched from? Just around the corner from where they were sitting?

Remember that this goes against what Jubelin thought happened, that William wandered down the slope and was taken by someone near the road as described in his 60minutes interview from 2015.

11:00 REPORTER: “Detective Jubelin believes William wandered down the slope towards the tree where he’d been playing with his mother just an hour before.

11:11 JUBELIN: I'm looking here and thinking, well a child’s not going to wander up in the bush, it’s a steep hill, it’s thick bush, it’s scary for a 3-year-old child, it’s scary. There’s a fence line there, I can’t see him going through the fence line. I can see a child wandering off down the slope.” (ref: https://www.youtube.com/nTh6DM5FEAY)

Further in the interview the reporter says:

8:52 REPORTER: “(Jubelin) discounts the idea an abductor ran up the yard and onto the property to take the little boy.” (ref: https://www.youtube.com/0H5fhsGSVOM&t=673s)

So again, do the FF believe he was abducted from next to the house? I guess not cordoning off the yard would make finding any evidence of William being abducted closer to the house (if that's the case?) difficult.

This was interesting for me, as in my mind, I've always invisioned William being mid-game with the Tiger Roar as he hid somewhere, only never to be seen again. A little boy caught up in playing his game is 'in the minute' so would not suddenly run off down the driveway ... IMO

Therefore, my thoughts in that regard - he was most likely grabbed & silenced from an area very close to the house. Easily done with a little boy, a big man ...perhaps even a bit of chloroform!

I believe Police Dogs didn't pick up his scent outside the property - yet I've wondered the $99 question - what scents picked up 'inside' ???

There's so many different 'opinions' as to what actually happened that morning - I don't envy the coroner !