Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - # 5

[Rissa1978]

Kendall Cemetery is a very wide open area, there would be a huge risk of being seen running down a bush trail to a unknown house, snatching a unknown child and running back up a steep bush trail.

http://austcemindex.com/cemetery.php?id=406

 

[bearbear]

Yes Rissa - but I then wonder how WS could be a POI that may be of assistance with the investigation.
Did he know the visitors?
Did he know the person living in the estate?
Was he the person that saw the family arrive?

maybe not ws directly but a member or aquantance of his family?
i think police are on the right track, such a media circus with his property being searched etc but very low key when other people questioned and searched.

 

[Rissa1978]

The way I see POI is... Can you come in and answer our questions, you don't need a legal representative because it is only an informal chat.


http://www.news.com.au/national/fam...l-speddings-care/story-fncynjr2-1227198878302

This article makes me wonder if a phone call to FACS and a phone call to crimestoppers could all be about sour grapes. The WS and his wife had grandchildren living with them under unknown circumstances. Does anyone know when the pictures of the emergency vehicles also showing WSs work van was released?

I found an article from Sep 19th. http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2014/09/19/case-missing-superhero/

Now it makes me wonder why they made a point to mention the van.

Benaroon Drive is long and it’s dotted with a few houses – all on half hectare plots of land, with cars parked in the driveways.

The dozen or so cars parked out on the street all belong to people involved in the investigation – with the exception of a washing machine repair van.

 

[jigzy]

I wonder at what time Benaroon Drive was sealed off and all cars leaving checked for contents.

Had an opportunist paedo neighbour taken William indoors, perhaps not knowing that he was visiting nearby property #48, and thinking that he was lost, that person would probably seek to remove the boy ASAP (within minutes) upon hearing people shouting William's name, and that person would certainly have felt panicky once there was an LE presence. I wonder if, immediately after the LE arrived, all vehicles leaving Benaroon Drive were searched, or whether the initial focus was on searching for a boy who had wandered off. Searching vehicles immediately would have been crucial, IMO, if William was still in the area.

As for someone carrying a small boy dressed in bright red and blue as Superman; I don't see that as an option at all. An abductor doing this in broad daylight would be risking too much.

I still think the most likely scenario is that a person with a vehicle, there for whatever reason, happened to be very close to #48 (possibly parked in that lower driveway masked by trees) and that William encountered that person briefly. As I've said before, William, maybe a bit hyper whilst playing 'chasies', might have jumped into that vehicle to hide, as he mistook it for his Dad's vehicle (or another familiar vehicle that he often jumped into at home). Alternatively he might have been bribed into the vehicle. Once in the vehicle the opportunist drove off with him. We have not heard of any visible signs of struggle, as far as I know, so that tells me that William went into that vehicle willingly at first. The lawnmower noise would mask the vehicle noise/ take attention away from any vehicle noise, and within minutes William would be away from the immediate area, almost before he knew where he was.

If WS was expected there that day, yet 'didn't show', that's a huge red light, and he would need a reliable alibi to explain where he actually was.

IMO.

 

[Eloise]

Don't really buy the theory in msm reports - one of many - that it could have been someone unable to have kids. These days, with the options available, you'd really have to weigh up what's the greater cost (financial and otherwise): with IVF, adoption, becoming a foster parent yourself etc - how could snatching a random kid appear more viable? Even if the act itself seemed simple, where to from there? How are they going to raise a kid with now such a high public profile as their own? Be different maybe if it was a small baby.
And that's apart from what the chances would be of someone who can't have kids just happening to be in that very spot at that very moment. What do other ppl think of that theory?

I don't think a person who had full use of their mental capacities would make that choice in the first place, so they might not be someone who'd rationally weigh it up in that way.

That said, statistically - how often does this happen anywhere, let alone a rural village in Australia? (like you say I think a baby would be a more likely option for someone who wanted to do this)

 

[leep]

I remember reading this the for the first time and thinking it was rather odd given all that was taking place.

WS said

"Iv'e always hoped for a good outcome for the Tyrrel family. Its the fact we have children too, and it could happen to us. That's something that is always on my mind".

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...t-william-tyrell/story-fni0cx12-1227195778466

Hes talking about the unspeakable on here and yes its very odd.

 

[SouthAussie]

As has been reported, police are "pointing the finger at an opportunistic stranger"

Cowan, Daniel Morcombe's killer, was an opportunistic offender/stranger. In the space of a few minutes, he convinced Daniel, a 13yr old boy, that he'd drive him to a shopping centre.

The creeps of this world, opportunistic strangers, are constantly on the lookout and always ready for that opportunity.

:yes: And always ready to take big opportunistic risks.

Remember little 3-year old Chloe Campbell? A possible slimy perv (we never were told the criminal intention, which can say a lot when it involves a child) got in through a very high up, unlatched window and took Chloe away in the middle of the night, when she had her sisters sleeping right next to her on the same mattress, and her parents were in the next room.

No-one knew what had happened to her. Couldn’t figure it out at all. Rumours were flying, none of them turned out to be accurate at all.

After she was dumped and found, it was reported that Chloe said “Daddy’s friend” took her, then it was reported that she didn’t mention that in a specialist interview. The abductor was not, in fact, anyone that her daddy knew. But maybe the perp told her that he was a friend?

These slimy creeps know how to lie to innocent children and manipulate them. And take them quietly away, under everyone's noses.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...e-nation-on-edge/story-fnihsrf2-1226883039144

 

[they'll get you]

Daniel Morcombe was 13 when he was abducted and murdered he was older and more mature that wee William but a conniving pedophile convinced him to get into his car.


Day two of trial of Brett Peter Cowan for murder of Daniel Morcombe

Mr Morcombe said his son wouldn’t initiate conversations with strangers.

“He was a very shy boy,’’ he said.

He said Daniel was not the type of boy who would get into cars with strangers.

“I don’t believe so,’’ he said.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-daniel-morcombe/story-fnihsrf2-1226823463445

 

[Eloise]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2_eo6wUT_A

an old Oprah episode - very relevant (2 min clip of main point). Shows how easy it is to lure away a toddler.

 

[Amee]

O/T

PARENTS are urging others to be careful about a woman who reportedly tried to “buy” their children at a western suburbs shopping centre.

The mother reports an incident at West Lakes Shopping Centre, where a woman approached her four-month-old and started talking to her, before asking her age and how she slept.

Numerous parents also commented on the post about their similar experiences at other western suburbs shopping precincts.

“I think this is the same woman who tried to walk off with my pram at the cibo (sic) at west lakes (sic) a week ago,” one woman wrote.

“While it is not appropriate to provide personal information about the woman, officers are satisfied she poses no ongoing risk to the community. :gaah:

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...y-their-children/story-fni6uo1m-1227218337970

 

[SouthAussie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2_eo6wUT_A

an old Oprah episode - very relevant (2 min clip of main point). Shows how easy it is to lure away a toddler.

Wow ... that took just 33 secs to get her to happily walk from the swings to his car!! :scared:

 

[sosocurious]

I get this could have been any stranger just walking, driving past the house at that exact moment.

I am just a bit stuck on 2 properties of a declared person of interest being searched and items being seized about a month ago.
Given no one else has been mentioned in msn.

For Now - the investigation remains focused on what police are calling "human intervention by an unknown person" (stranger)

* A ground zero operation basically starting at scratch.
* As opposed to a normal appeal for information. This is - anyone who was in the 1 km radius and does not come forward
* Suspicion would be attached to anyone that does not want to assist police with an investigation of this nature.

It just seems that LE have a focus on someone(s). imo
So:
* Even if you have given a statement /interview that said you were in the 1 km radius, you need to present again. Though I suspect these would have been checked and checked again. imo
* If you have not presented at this point - now is the time. That could indicate that there is someone of whom they are aware was in the area. imo
* IF you have given a statement/interview that indicates that you were not in the 1 km zone BUT you were you had better present and give an accurate account.

If you have information and you are not willing to assist the police in an investigation of this nature it would attract suspicion.

On the advice of his solicitor WS did not speak to the media.
I wonder if WS has been advised by his solicitor not to speak to the police either?

LE still declare him as a person of interest - and feel he may have information that can assist the investigation.

If WS knows he was not in that 1 km zone than I guess he is not expected to present to police.
But, if he knows he was and there is anything that could indicate that he was at ground zero - phone pings - CCTV- witnesses - financials etc..
What do you do?


http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/missing-william-tyrell-casts-dark-shadow-over-town-20141031-11fbdi.html
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-h...iam-tyrell-investigation-20150122-12v4n3.html
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...yrrell-detective/story-e6frg6nf-1227224743038

 

[Rissa1978]

This is my opinion

The more I read over the past few days the more I think they know who took WT, I don't think they know where he was taken or where he is now. I feel they are trying to force someone into making a mistake. The letter written by the parents was calculated and very carefully worded.

When it comes to WS, I watched a video of he and his wife leaving the police station and he says his lawyer said not to talk but there are certain questions he answers without a thought and confirms that the media has it correct. Also strange every time I have known someone to go and help police their solicitors stay with them until they are at their car to ensure nothing silly is said.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-s...f-toddler-william-tyrell-20150123-12wpef.html

 

[Rissa1978]

If WS knows he was not in that 1 km zone than I guess he is not expected to present to police.
But, if he knows he was and there is anything that could indicate that he was at ground zero - phone pings - CCTV- witnesses - financials etc..
What do you do?

Does WS work alone?
Ws has access to three cars and a work van (all searched) could someone else have been in one of his cars? If he and his wife were together would they have separate cars?
Could someone else have a work phone that is in WSs name, that may have pinged that day?

 

[lampshade1]

This is my opinion

The more I read over the past few days the more I think they know who took WT, I don't think they know where he was taken or where he is now. I feel they are trying to force someone into making a mistake.

Wouldn't a national manhunt with the persons face plastered on the front page of every newspaper/tv station/news website be better in flushing them out though if that was the case? Then again, most people in Australia would already recognise Williams face if someone had been keeping him safe and took him out in public.

Does WS work alone?
Ws has access to three cars and a work van (all searched) could someone else have been in one of his cars? If he and his wife were together would they have separate cars?
Could someone else have a work phone that is in WSs name, that may have pinged that day?

He used to have staff when he had a removal/furtniture business. Not sure about now; one would presume the pawn shop(s) had staff - especially when WS for a period of time owned two pawn shops several hundred kilometres apart.

 

[sosocurious]

This is my opinion

The more I read over the past few days the more I think they know who took WT, I don't think they know where he was taken or where he is now. I feel they are trying to force someone into making a mistake. The letter written by the parents was calculated and very carefully worded.

When it comes to WS, I watched a video of he and his wife leaving the police station and he says his lawyer said not to talk but there are certain questions he answers without a thought and confirms that the media has it correct. Also strange every time I have known someone to go and help police their solicitors stay with them until they are at their car to ensure nothing silly is said.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-s...f-toddler-william-tyrell-20150123-12wpef.html

Yes Rissa
It does seem that it is about finding where William is.

"When we find out what happened to WT there would be other locations searched". Insp Jubelin said

I agree trying to get someone to make a mistake or even fess up.
I hope that WS does just have information that can assist the police in locating William.

But, his close friend Colin said he was "absolutely devastated" that he was the focus of the police investigation.
I haven't seen anything to indicate that has changed, he remains the only declared POI.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-h...iam-tyrell-investigation-20150122-12v4n3.html
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...yrrell-detective/story-e6frg6nf-1227224743038

 

[sosocurious]

Does WS work alone?
Ws has access to three cars and a work van (all searched) could someone else have been in one of his cars? If he and his wife were together would they have separate cars?
Could someone else have a work phone that is in WSs name, that may have pinged that day?

Yes all those things possible and that would indicate the police know who it is they are looking for, because you would assumed that WS would have told them at speed who that person might be, unless he is protecting someone. imo

 

[SouthAussie]

Does WS work alone?
Ws has access to three cars and a work van (all searched) could someone else have been in one of his cars? If he and his wife were together would they have separate cars?
Could someone else have a work phone that is in WSs name, that may have pinged that day?

I think it is possible that Spedding was supposed to meet his wife for a coffee, she drank coffee and waited for him but he didn't show, or showed very late, then he/they came into the assembly late. The worker at the coffee shop hadn't seen 'them' in ages (but had maybe seen 'her').

Cafe manager Lisa, who did not wish to give her last name, said she recognised Mr Spedding and his wife but said they hadn't come into the cafe 'in a while'.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-nervous-breakdown-thanks-family-support.html


I wonder where he went after the assembly? And I wonder if it could be someone very close to him that is protecting him. He has convinced her he was just late from a job, but couldn't prove it (for whatever reason), so would she please just say he was with her the whole time.

.

 

[Rissa1978]

Yes Rissa
It does seem that it is about finding where William is.

"When we find out what happened to WT there would be other locations searched". Insp Jubelin said

It feels like they are waiting in a classroom after school for one of the kids to say 'Yes, I did this but then I did this and #2 took over from there and now I have no idea where he is now'

 

[marlywings]

:yes: And always ready to take big opportunistic risks.

These slimy creeps know how to lie to innocent children and manipulate them. And take them quietly away, under everyone's noses.

Daniel Morcombe was 13 when he was abducted and murdered he was older and more mature that wee William but a conniving pedophile convinced him to get into his car. [/url]

Just to add to the above for anyone who may not have followed Daniel's case, as this shows how cunning and brazen the creeps truly are. He was abducted from the side of a very busy highway in full view of passing traffic which included a bus load of passengers who saw a person/cowan standing back behind Daniel. Following Daniel's disappearance, cowan was in police sights from around day three. Unfortunately police just couldn't pull up evidence and it took eight long years and an outstanding police operation to finally get that evidence which put cowan behind bars.

No matter how long it takes, police will not give up on William. They will continue to look for evidence and they will find it.....that is a definite!