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JLZ said:
Jubelin could say what he needs to say by written submission? Is he still blocked from contact with the foster family? If not they could put their questions to him directly and he could enter his answers into evidence in a stat dec delivered to the coroner.

I wonder if we'll hear whether Abbott has claimed exemption on the grounds of self-incrimination.
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Jubes can likely say what he wants to say in I Catch Killers Volume II ... once William's case boxes are filed away on that cold case shelf.

Sorry JLZ, that is a flippant reply. I am truly just frustrated that William's case seems to have landed in no-mans land.
I hope like all heck that Craddock pulls a rabbit out of a hat, but I am thinking that is unlikely. Is this headed for an open verdict?

Yes, perhaps Jubes can submit a written submission to the Coroner that she may read and digest.

And yes, it could be that Abbott will exempt himself. Or just 'not remember' anything much from that time period.
 
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SouthAussie said:
Well, the significant distraction would certainly be better than a bunch of people who have said "I can't remember".

Will this inquest ever feel 'complete' now? Not to me it won't, and probably not to the foster parents and others.
Give the bloke a chance to say what he needs to say, even if they do it in closed court.
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I agree.

There will ALWAYS be a why not? What if?
I guarantee Gary would know far more than anyone about this case because he was, is and always will be approachable even beyond his detectives pay check.
No-one can’t tell me he’s been contacted ‘off the record’ since he’s been stood down.

IMO this decision will go down in Australian history of the little boy named William Tyrrell.
 
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they'll get you said:
I agree.

There will ALWAYS be a why not? What if?
I guarantee Gary would know far more than anyone about this case because he was, is and always will be approachable even beyond his detectives pay check.
No-one can’t tell me he’s been contacted ‘off the record’ since he’s been stood down.

IMO this decision go down in Australian history of the little boy named William Tyrrell.
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Woulda, shoulda, coulda, - yes he should have given a debrief to continuing detectives, but sounds like wasn’t given an opportunity, no a coroner shouldn’t be responsible for facilitating that - but why not get him on the stand if this had not occurred....
 
SouthAussie said:
Craddock is also arguing the record of other children approached in the area should not be made public because “most of them have nothing to do with the disappearance of William Tyrrell”.

"Most" of them have nothing to do with William's disappearance?

"Most"?

Which ones DO have something to do with William's disappearance??????
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100% SA. .. I shuddered when I read that comment.
What is Craddock about with all his arguing ?
imo, one would be forgiven for thinking that he’s ‘defending’ someone, even though this is a coronial enquiry ...
 
deugirtni said:
10 News First (@10NewsFirst) Tweeted:
A woman who helped search for William Tyrrell has told a coronial inquest into his disappearance she heard a child scream out in pain the day after he vanished. | @LiaJHarris https://t.co/q38nLhZjdi https://twitter.com/10NewsFirst/status/1313369853558915078?s=20
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Are you serious ??! She helped searched for him ? When did that searching occur ?
I ask because apparently the day after William went missing (as she was tending her strawberries with a cuppa in hand ) she heard a child’s painful scream... apparently she knew immediately it was a child’s scream as she has experience with children, and she also judged it as coming from ‘a boy’ ...

Woman ‘heard scream’ after William vanished

William Tyrrell inquest: woman says she heard boy scream in bushland near Herons Creek

yet it took years for her to think to report a possible connection to the disappearance of a child she is reported to have searched for !! WTF!
 
It’s my very sad belief that William will not be found nor his disappearance solved, at least in the foreseeable future.

However I do hope that his little life, with all its trials, will provide some lasting value.
(I think of Daniel Morcombe & the good that lives & spreads in his legacy) and I wish there was a movement in place for William & his legacy.

Children are all born as innocent & dependant little beings, worthy of our love & nurturing. Yet I’m constantly asking Why -
Why do WE allow so many of them to be at the mercy of so much harm ?
Why do We allow the cycles to continue ?
 
Warshawski said:
Are you serious ??! She helped searched for him ? When did that searching occur ?
I ask because apparently the day after William went missing (as she was tending her strawberries with a cuppa in hand ) she heard a child’s painful scream... apparently she knew immediately it was a child’s scream as she has experience with children, and she also judged it as coming from ‘a boy’ ...

Woman ‘heard scream’ after William vanished

William Tyrrell inquest: woman says she heard boy scream in bushland near Herons Creek

yet it took years for her to think to report a possible connection to the disappearance of a child she is reported to have searched for !! WTF!
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Yes in the link I posted upthread, lia harris stated the woman had participated in the search, presumably the day he disappeared.. heard the scream the following day, but didn't register in her brain that the two could be related until some 4 years later?
 
they'll get you said:
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That's to the Boral mill which is a kilometre further on than the Parish mill. Also there's a slightly shorter (in distance; likely not in time) route that skirts the national parkland at Kew. I was thinking, if it's Abbott, given his gossip about GO, he might have killed and left William in forest a little north of Misty Way--whether he took Logans Crossing Rd all the way to Herons Creek Rd or Corrigans Rd and Cpt 70/1 Trail. And possibly then drove on to alibi himself in Wauchope at lunchtime.
 
Warshawski said:
Are you serious ??! She helped searched for him ? When did that searching occur ?
I ask because apparently the day after William went missing (as she was tending her strawberries with a cuppa in hand ) she heard a child’s painful scream... apparently she knew immediately it was a child’s scream as she has experience with children, and she also judged it as coming from ‘a boy’ ...

Woman ‘heard scream’ after William vanished

William Tyrrell inquest: woman says she heard boy scream in bushland near Herons Creek

yet it took years for her to think to report a possible connection to the disappearance of a child she is reported to have searched for !! WTF!
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I really cannot believe this :( for me 4km or 15 min is definitely close enough to think it may be WT. For goodness sake he had just gone missing the day before! I just can't believe it.
How many others heard or saw things that they simply have not reported?

IMO
 
@LiaJHarris
The inquest into the disappearance of three-year-old William Tyrrell has resumed with Dr Helen Paterson on the stand. She’s a forensic psychologist from the University of Sydney, specialising in memory and the effects of traumatic events.
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10:04 AM · Oct 7, 2020

@LiaJHarris
Dr Paterson tells the court some witnesses may “confabulate” memories, which means what they are saying is not true, but they’re not deliberately lying because they believe it to be true. “Our memories are not perfect. We don’t remember things like video cameras”, she said.
10:10 AM · Oct 7, 2020

@LiaJHarris
Dr Paterson tells the court “it is possible” that if there were cars on a street, those who lived there wouldn’t necessarily remember them being there unless it was “very unusual”.
10:21 AM · Oct 7, 2020
 
@LiaJHarris
It’s worth noting here that William’s foster mum recalls seeing two cars parked on Benaroon Drive the morning William vanished, but we have not heard testimony from anyone else who recalls seeing the cars that day.
10:22 AM · Oct 7, 2020

@LiaJHarris
Dr Paterson told the court its also possible for witnesses to “fill in” gaps in their memories with information they heard after the event, such as in the media. “You believe it’s your memory form the event, you’re often not able to tell that it’s information you obtained after”
10:37 AM · Oct 7, 2020

@LiaJHarris
Speaking of the testimony of Ron Chapman, the local who claims to have seen William in a car driving away from the scene, Dr Paterson is asked if it’s possible for someone to remember correct details later that they hadn’t remembered initially. She said it’s possible.
10:59 AM · Oct 7, 2020

@LiaJHarris
However, she added “it could also be they saw something there on a different day” and “that’s where the confusion is”.
11:00 AM · Oct 7, 2020
 
@LiaJHarris
The lawyer for William’s birth father asks Dr Paterson “so someone who has a strongly held belief that something is true, that may just be wrong?” And she responded “yes”.
11:23 AM · Oct 7, 2020

@LiaJHarris
She asks Dr Paterson about the foster mother’s memory of the cars and she told the court “I can’t say if it’s a genuine memory or a false memory... it could be that it was a true event, that she did see those cars, or it could be she saw those cars... at a different time”.
11:27 AM · Oct 7, 2020
 
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