Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #59

[Waverider]

My youngest daughter is constantly covered in bruises, on her torso, ribs, legs,arms. When we ask her what happened she says she doesn't know or even remember getting them. She is very active. Another daughter never has any. So it's common but depends on child, imo.

I was talking about the learning to walk stage, when they’re around 12-15mo old and probably unable to say more than a few words. When they’re 2-3, then yes a lot more bruises, but when learning to walk mine didn’t have lots of bruises

 

[katydid23]

The crime editor said tomorrow it's expected that Federal Police will specifically look at a concrete driveway, using a ground penetrating radar.

"That particular machinery will look at anomalies beneath the surface," he said.

He said if any anomalies are found it will then need to be dug up

Simon Bouda explains latest developments in William Tyrrell investigation

So 'anomalies' sounds to me like they are looking for misshapen areas like if something was buried? Not necessarily looking for blood traces deep in the soil.

 

[Deleted member 161976]

read FM said the children aged around 3 & 5 at the time woke up at 8am?

Where did you read this please?
In the Where's William Tyrrell podcast it's reported Wt And MFC woke at 630. The sister,some time after.

 

[JLZ]

Yes the FFC are saying it could be from a fall from a horse

They have now brought in lawyers and intend to fight the charges, claiming the alleged injuries could have come from a fall from a horse, The Australian revealed.

They'd be pretty significant bruises then. That's alarming.

 

[bearbear]

Well actually that hasn’t been proven yet, so let’s just take a step back and stick to the facts as we know them, not what some would want us to believe.

police would need good evidence to be granted an avo though wouldnt they?

 

[Deleted member 161976]

Do they get bruising on their shins?

Yes, mine do.

 

[k-mac]

Being accused is not the same as being convicted.

All convictions start with accusations and charges.

Its not easy to get charges up.

Its a bad sign and not a good look for them.

moo

 

[missepic]

I was talking about the learning to walk stage, when they’re around 12-15mo old and probably unable to say more than a few words. When they’re 2-3, then yes a lot more bruises, but when learning to walk mine didn’t have lots of bruises

Can confirm bruises are pretty normal and range from child to child. One may be prone to bruising. The drs would know what caused what type of bruising though. I would have thought if this recent bruising was from a horse accident, a report would have been filed (accident report at an establisment)
If it wasnt at an establishment- Info on who was there, gps, phone ping etc.
But how such a thing would lead to spcifically and AVO against 2 people is just bizarre.

 

[katydid23]

These situations are very chaotic, because time is of the essence in locating the child if the child was taken. So usually they will act first (immediately start searching, notifying highway command in the area, mobilising police, ses to search etc) based on the info they have on hand, and then further probe into parents, etc.

Exactly... so at some point they would have probed further into the Ffamily and into the home and yard area. I believe that if there was a bloody crime scene or a body buried in the driveway area, it would have been noticed at that time. JMO

 

[Tigerlily75]

How do you know the child is a girl? Is it a foster child ?

It’s William Tyrrell’s sister No Cookies | Daily Telegraph

 

[Random-me]

Can confirm bruises are pretty normal and range from child to child. One may be prone to bruising. The drs would know what caused what type of bruising though. I would have thought if this recent bruising was from a horse accident, a report would have been filed (accident report at an establisment)
If it wasnt at an establishment- Info on who was there, gps, phone ping etc.
But how such a thing would lead to spcifically and AVO against 2 people is just bizarre.

The bruising being discussed is about Williams birth parents stating they saw bruising on him, not related to the AVO and charges.

 

[SouthAussie]

The crime editor said tomorrow it's expected that Federal Police will specifically look at a concrete driveway, using a ground penetrating radar.

"That particular machinery will look at anomalies beneath the surface," he said.

He said if any anomalies are found it will then need to be dug up

Simon Bouda explains latest developments in William Tyrrell investigation

Are they thinking that FM dug up part of the existing driveway, placed William under it, and re-concreted it before she called the police?

Or is there some other new driveway there? Like the dirt driveway to the under-house garage bay has since been cemented?

 

[Donnertronner]

i think fgm talked to a journo about the reclusive neighbour with the owl in his attic, she was suspicious of him?

I'm interested in understanding whether she backed up the FFC story about the events of the morning? They were together at the time of the disappearance by my understanding, and had been for a while.

 

[midnightreader]

I’m very suspicious of the timing of the AVO and the NSW police current direction. If I’m wrong and the FFM is involved then the body should be found because she doesn’t appear to be a criminal mastermind so there would be limited places the body could be hidden due to time and lack of skill.

 

[Awakening]

My personal preference when interacting here on WS is to try and consider all possibilities no matter how far fetched (I would have thought the outcome in CS's case to be a far fetched scenario!).

At this moment in time, there is the scenario that LE and media are putting out there that the FF may be POIs. Which is an incredible possibility because it means FF have fooled many people for many years. And fooled people who are intelligent and experienced and trained in picking up any discrepancies- detectives, journalists, social workers.

The other possible scenario is that someone/s are unduly influencing the sister to accuse the FPs of involvement in WTs disappearance and accuse them of an assault? But I would assume LE would see right through that?

 

[katydid23]

All convictions start with accusations and charges.

Its not easy to get charges up.

Its a bad sign and not a good look for them.

moo

Of course it's not a good sign for them. I am just trying to slow my roll a bit because I remember what happened to BS. We went at him full force and many were convinced he was the abductor.

I am still on the fence about this new info because some of it seems off, imo. With the little I have seen so far I am not convinced. If the older sister have valuable insights and memories, that would be very convincing. Waiting to hear more....

 

[DDDddd]

Are they thinking that FM dug up part of the existing driveway, placed William under it, and re-concreted it before she called the police?

Or is there some other new driveway there? Like the dirt driveway to the under-house garage bay has since been cemented?

My understanding is that they are looking for fluids or removal of such. If William fell from the balcony and was moved to FGM car in the driveway to transport it, there may be blood, or soil dug up to remove evidence of.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think it is important not to draw any particular conclusions about FM’s descriptions and demeanour. We really have no idea of the person she is. And we also cannot be certain as to how we would act in a similar scenario, let alone somebody we do not know who has a completely different background and history to ourselves. She may actually have been a fabulously organised mother. Or she may have felt the need to portray such an image.. lots of parents do (just look at all the unrealistic portrayals of family life on social media!), but it doesn’t necessarily mean anything sinister. IMO

Just thinking about CS' case in WA. CS' mum did nothing right (to some people).
How could a person enter the tent and no-one heard?
How could she go searching, she should have been waiting at the tent for CS to return?
Did CS even go on the camping trip?
Maybe the parents were drunk, drug-affected?
Maybe they left the kids alone and went off night fishing and don't want to tell anyone?
My child would have done this, my child would have done that.

CS's case is a perfect example of the conclusions people leap to.

 

[PinkPower]

Yes the FFC are saying it could be from a fall from a horse

They have now brought in lawyers and intend to fight the charges, claiming the alleged injuries could have come from a fall from a horse, The Australian revealed.

Wow, that was quick.

 

[PinkPower]

My understanding is that they are looking for fluids or removal of such. If William fell from the balcony and was moved to FGM car in the driveway to transport it, there may be blood, or soil dug up to remove evidence of.

They could also be looking for a concentrated impaction of soil where it might have been hosed intensely in a particular spot.