Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - # 7

[Makara]

This is exactly why I wanted the full clear pic. Looking at the filtered pic there's so many anomalies in that filtered image its giving out all sorts of wrong impressions (like his sisters hair colour, blurriness). So it seems there is/was a full clear pic, but has since been cropped (and why?) - surely there must be a clear full pic somewhere?! arrrrgggh

I'd say the reason why the original pic was cropped was to totally focus on William's face so that it may be published in MSM and distributed as a missing person's poster etc. The police would have the original photo which was supposedly taken by William's mother on her phone between 9:00am - 10:00am on the morning William disappeared. Violette, may I ask why you're wanting a clear, full pic? Is there something in it that has caught your attention?

 

[Violette]

I'd say the reason why the original pic was cropped was to totally focus on William's face so that it may be published in MSM and distributed as a missing person's poster etc. The police would have the original photo which was supposedly taken by William's mother on her phone between 9:00am - 10:00am on the morning William disappeared. Violette, may I ask why you're wanting a clear, full pic? Is there something in it that has caught your attention?

Of course you can. I've been analysing the filtered pic and found a few things that didn't sit right, the shape of his face, shape of his right arm, blurring on the patio, his sister looked super imposed, so this is why I wanted the clear pic the compare those and basically tell myself there's nothing suss about the picture and my findings.

I'm also trying to work out the lighting/weather conditions as I would like to confirm to myself if this was actually taken when its said it was.

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[Makara]

Of course you can. I've been analysing the filtered pic and found a few things that didn't sit right, the shape of his face, shape of his right arm, blurring on the patio, his sister looked super imposed, so this is why I wanted the clear pic the compare those and basically tell myself there's nothing suss about the picture and my findings.

I'm also trying to work out the lighting/weather conditions as I would like to confirm to myself if this was actually taken when its said it was.

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We had a discussion in a previous thread about the lighting and time of day the photo was taken. In the image below you can see the sunroom where the photo was taken and in the upper right of the pic it shows the northerly direction. This pic wasn't taken at the same time of day that William disappeared but we can ascertain where the sun would have been between 9:00am - 10:00am that morning. IMO the lighting in the photo of William looks about right for that time of day and the layout of the house.

I personally don't think that William's sister was super-imposed into the pic. If you look at the shadows under and around William, his sister, her doll and the doll's pram and the grandmother's foot, they are all indicative of the same light source. As a digital artist I can tell you if is very difficult and time consuming to create those types of shadows. Yes, it can be done but the pic would need to have been uploaded to a computer from the phone and then opened in an image editor to create those shadows. From what I can gather the police downloaded that photo of William directly from the mother's phone, albeit hours after William's disappearance.

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[inspector rex]

btw the pixelated finger one looks like a little pebble/stone in this clearer pic maybe? View attachment 71249

Yes, the pixelation is less in this picture and it looks like a leaf or similar. By the attitude of William, it does appear he is just about to come forward on all fours and roar (like a lion/tiger), while looking at someone to the left of the photographer. SouthAussie posted a screen capture in thread #1 of this patio area http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-NSW-12th-Sept-2014-1&p=10976342#post10976342, and there is something looks like the top of William's suit that has been discarded on the floor, as I notice here there looks to be a t-shirt under the long sleeved top. The top looks to be predominantly blue with a red collar. I wonder if there was a little pair of shorts under the pants as well? In the screen shot, you can see the slippers being worn (by GM?) in this picture, the dolls pram and then what looks like the top of the suit in this picture. My guess is that whoever William was looking at was sitting in the chair on the left of that pic.

Probably not important, but can anyone identify what the object is in the above picture on the right hand side? Looks like a raised garden bed/plastic tub with something colourful inside. Could it be washing to be hung out?

 

[bearbear]

file:///C:/Users/user/Desktop/r0_0_1768_1699_w1200_h678_fmax.jpg

not sure how to post photos on here but this is a clear image of the cropped photo, what i meant by weird is the seemingly straight line under william from thigh to thigh, its probably nothing but always bothered me,

 

[bearbear]

Yes, the pixelation is less in this picture and it looks like a leaf or similar. By the attitude of William, it does appear he is just about to come forward on all fours and roar (like a lion/tiger), while looking at someone to the left of the photographer. SouthAussie posted a screen capture in thread #1 of this patio area http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-NSW-12th-Sept-2014-1&p=10976342#post10976342, and there is something looks like the top of William's suit that has been discarded on the floor, as I notice here there looks to be a t-shirt under the long sleeved top. The top looks to be predominantly blue with a red collar. I wonder if there was a little pair of shorts under the pants as well? In the screen shot, you can see the slippers being worn (by GM?) in this picture, the dolls pram and then what looks like the top of the suit in this picture. My guess is that whoever William was looking at was sitting in the chair on the left of that pic.

Probably not important, but can anyone identify what the object is in the above picture on the right hand side? Looks like a raised garden bed/plastic tub with something colourful inside. Could it be washing to be hung out?

off topic sorry but how did you post this picture here, i tried to unsuccessfully, only managed the link

 

[Blessed]

file:///C:/Users/user/Desktop/r0_0_1768_1699_w1200_h678_fmax.jpg

not sure how to post photos on here but this is a clear image of the cropped photo, what i meant by weird is the seemingly straight line under william from thigh to thigh, its probably nothing but always bothered me,

Hi Bearbear
If posting from a computer you need to upload the image to Dropbox or the like and share the link.
If posting from a phone using the tapatalk app, you can upload directly from your phone into the thread.

 

[inspector rex]

file:///C:/Users/user/Desktop/r0_0_1768_1699_w1200_h678_fmax.jpg

not sure how to post photos on here but this is a clear image of the cropped photo, what i meant by weird is the seemingly straight line under william from thigh to thigh, its probably nothing but always bothered me,

Would he still be wearing a nappy at night at 3? I think that could be what you are seeing.

 

[bearbear]

thanks everyone for help posting pics!
yes, maybe william was wearing a nappy and that gives the straight line,
ive just always felt there was something strange about the photo and cant really pinpoint it.
i guess police have scrutinised this photo and gone back to the beginning like they said they would?

 

[butterstick]

He was over three years old. Maybe not abnormal for wearing a nappy, but a little late? <modsnip>

 

[Angeline]

Analysing the photo was one of the first things police did. If there's anything that looks strange about it it's probably due to editing by newspapers.

"The phone on which the last photograph of William was taken has been analysed &#8212; the photo was taken &#8220;within an hour&#8221; of his disappearance."

http://m.theaustralian.com.au/news/...y-william-tyrell/story-e6frg6nf-1227064608526

 

[Makara]

Yes, the pixelation is less in this picture and it looks like a leaf or similar. By the attitude of William, it does appear he is just about to come forward on all fours and roar (like a lion/tiger), while looking at someone to the left of the photographer. SouthAussie posted a screen capture in thread #1 of this patio area http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-NSW-12th-Sept-2014-1&p=10976342#post10976342, and there is something looks like the top of William's suit that has been discarded on the floor, as I notice here there looks to be a t-shirt under the long sleeved top. The top looks to be predominantly blue with a red collar. I wonder if there was a little pair of shorts under the pants as well? In the screen shot, you can see the slippers being worn (by GM?) in this picture, the dolls pram and then what looks like the top of the suit in this picture. My guess is that whoever William was looking at was sitting in the chair on the left of that pic.

Probably not important, but can anyone identify what the object is in the above picture on the right hand side? Looks like a raised garden bed/plastic tub with something colourful inside. Could it be washing to be hung out?

BBM. What you describe as looking like William's top is a Spiderman doll.

 

[Eloise]

He was over three years old. Maybe not abnormal for wearing a nappy, but a little late? <modsnip>.

My son is nearly 3.5 and is still in nappies day and night, though I think he's on the brink of readiness. He is a bit delayed, he's been assessed and they all say his intellect and social capabilities are fine but there are some things he is just taking a while to catch up on. My daughter was a bit the same, was nearly 3.5 when she was TT, but at 8 now you'd never know. And they have had a totally stable home environment from birth, with both me and daddy; some kids just are a bit behind the 8-ball no matter what.

 

[inspector rex]

BBM. What you describe as looking like William's top is a Spiderman doll.

Oh OK, well that is quite possible. Where did you get this information?

 

[katydid23]

Maybe he is wearing a 'pull up' --not really a diaper. Lots of 3 yr old boys wear them. Especially while visiting someones home. They 'forget' to use the bathroom in time at that age, and a 'pull up' saves embarrassment.

 

[Makara]

Oh OK, well that is quite possible. Where did you get this information?

It can be seen plainly when the pic is inlarged. There was also mention of it in MSM but I don't have time to find the link right now.

 

[SouthAussie]

Oh OK, well that is quite possible. Where did you get this information?

It can be seen plainly when the pic is inlarged. There was also mention of it in MSM but I don't have time to find the link right now.

Yes, it was in MSM at one time, as we discussed it back in the threads somewhere. But you can see it is a spiderman doll in this enlargement.

 

[inspector rex]

Yes, it was in MSM at one time, as we discussed it back in the threads somewhere. But you can see it is a spiderman doll in this enlargement.

Ah well, I won't argue, as I can see now it could well be a toy.

But when I first saw it, I thought it looked like the long sleeved top he had on, roughly pulled off as kids do, with the arms half turned inside out and dragged off semi screwed up and the white object in the foreground being the tag from the back of the neckline.

There was no toy in the photo of William on the patio, but of course, he could have brought it out subsequently. I can't see where it is mentioned either. Anyway, if it's a toy then it's a toy, not the long sleeved top he was wearing.

 

[bearbear]

this report 8 days after william was missing shows how early specialist detectives were brought in working behind the scenes while people were still searching the bush, something from day one must have alerted police to bring in this manpower

Fehon says while the initial focus was on finding &#8220;young William&#8221; in the bush, a team of investigators had looked at other possibilities &#8220;from day one&#8221;. Detectives were on the scene that afternoon. The &#8220;errand&#8221; William&#8217;s father was on has been investigated. He was where he said he was. The phone on which the last photograph of William was taken has been analysed &#8212; the photo was taken &#8220;within an hour&#8221; of his disappearance. There is no evidence of any family dispute.
A team of 30 specialist detectives and analysts has been searching for clues, doorknocking and scouring phone records. They&#8217;ve been interviewing known sex *offenders in the area, in nearby towns and in caravan parks
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...y-william-tyrell/story-e6frg6nf-1227064608526

 

[bearbear]

so was there a "poi" they were watching from the beginning, with police needing to gather enough intel to get a search warrant, was there hidden video footage on his computer or evidence on the mattress, is he a part of something bigger?
surely if there was any evidence of his contact with william he would be arrested? or do police already know william is no longer in danger so they are waiting and watching to get more evidence and hopefully a body?
is the caravan park searched at lake haven a known place of residence for paedophiles?
didnt daniel morecombes killer also lived in a caravan park?