Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - # 7

[SouthAussie]

9 Jan 2013
Many people will miss Bill but he has to go because of family reasons.....
"I am going to be with my wife and family to help out there."

How long has BS been in Laurieton?

http://www.wellingtontimes.com.au/story/1222981/speddos-new-owner-to-make-town-first-choice/

"Locals say the Speddings moved to the area about five years ago and that their pawnshop, Speddos, had recently closed."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...-for-missing-boy/story-fni0cx12-1227192659824

 

[SouthAussie]

I was under the impression, from all the media reports I have read that "Williams Family" that have been cleared where the family he was with at the time, his family who took that photo, had him at Grandmas they are cleared. IMO

"Police have investigated William’s wider family and there is nothing to indicate any involvement in his disappearance."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...-for-missing-boy/story-fni0cx12-1227192659824


"William’s wider family has been thoroughly investigated and interviewed, too. Their alibis have been declared sound — they were hundreds of kilometres away when William disappeared. "

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...y-william-tyrell/story-e6frg6nf-1227064608526


"Relatives were all accounted for and not under any suspicion, and no family conflict provided a motive."

http://www.essentialbaby.com.au/tod...-where-is-william-tyrell-20141016-1171am.html

 

[Amee]

The family had visited Kendall before, with locals recalling seeing them the previous December.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hed-grandmother-s-backyard.html#ixzz3TqFTgdSU

 

[inspector rex]

I read in the news clips that the parents were from the North Shore in Sydney and one specifically mentioned Killara. Here is a quote from my search of is Killara a good suburb: "Killara is a great suburb for Families, Retiree's etc with its nice peacefull country feel. Green & Leafy and with fantastic schools. Killara is an affluent area and boasts large, beautiful homes. House prices between 1 - 15 Million. Median $1,500,000"

I think he had been to Grandma's before as there was a quote I saw that the family was at the previous neighbourhood Christmas party.
So I think they were regular visitors and the report of it being his first visit may be incorrect.

 

[Amee]

I read in the news clips that the parents were from the North Shore in Sydney and one specifically mentioned Killara. Here is a quote from my search of is Killara a good suburb: "Killara is a great suburb for Families, Retiree's etc with its nice peacefull country feel. Green & Leafy and with fantastic schools. Killara is an affluent area and boasts large, beautiful homes. House prices between 1 - 15 Million. Median $1,500,000"

I think he had been to Grandma's before as there was a quote I saw that the family was at the previous neighbourhood Christmas party.
So I think they were regular visitors and the report of it being his first visit may be incorrect.

His parents, I was told, live at Killara, on the upper north shore. They were described to me as “committed Christians and reasonably well off’.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...y-william-tyrell/story-e6frg6nf-1227064608526

 

[SouthAussie]

Interesting....Is it possible that William's foster family consists of (in Kendall) relatives other than just the grandmother?

Just because William was visiting Granny at her house for the first time does not exclude him having previously visited an Aunt's house in Kendall for example, or any other relative in that locality. This does not seem outside the realms of possibility -Grandma lives in Kendall, so others from that family might live there too. William might have stayed in the area several times previously for all we know.

William may have been observed on those occasions (if they actually happened).

A mental note might have been made, by the perp, of William's family's car - upon seeing the vehicle in town on that Friday (when the father was running errands) the perp might have headed to Benaroon Drive, having heard that Grandma was just out of hospital.

No facts - just me throwing some thoughts around.

I just read last night that William had no other family in Kendall, or the area. Can't remember how it was worded now. I can't quickly find the link again either. :sigh:
If I find it, I will post it.

This is all I can find right now. Not entirely explanatory, or definitely excluding other relatives in the general area.

"Mr Buttsworth said he had not heard of the Tyrells as having any relatives in Laurieton."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-at-nsw-property/story-e6frg6nf-1227191618077

William’s grandmother — a widow — moved here “some years ago”.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...y-william-tyrell/story-e6frg6nf-1227064608526

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I thought BS wife was originally from the area and that was one of the reasons they went there, apart from health reasons.

In response to the post saying they moved there 5 years ago.

 

[krig101]

http://www.triplem.com.au/sydney/sh...is-father-in-william-tyrrell-abductuion-case/

Spedding's son Rodney Spedding has recently come to the defence of his father telling news sources that there is no way he's connected with the missing child and that the current media speculation of his involvement is ruining his business and his health.

"He's had work cancelled because of the media frenzy around it, it's definitely slowed things down... I'm 100% certain he has nothing to do with it," he said.

There is also a link to hear the radio interview.

 

[SouthAussie]

I wonder if Spedding has offered to undergo a lie detector test. If he is truly innocent of any wrongdoing, it may help to convince police and others of that. And if the results were inconclusive or indicate guilty knowledge, it wouldn't make any difference to his standing as a POI. It is not as if he can be arrested on the results of a lie detector test.

 

[they'll get you]

I think the mattress was there for nefarious reasons if you need to take a nap during the workday you sleep in a chair or go home but you don't go to trouble of bringing a mattress to work for a nap MOO.

Why a just mattress and not a camp bed ?

The mattress could have been on a frame & LE only took the mattress.

 

[SouthAussie]

http://www.triplem.com.au/sydney/sh...is-father-in-william-tyrrell-abductuion-case/

Spedding's son Rodney Spedding has recently come to the defence of his father telling news sources that there is no way he's connected with the missing child and that the current media speculation of his involvement is ruining his business and his health.

"He's had work cancelled because of the media frenzy around it, it's definitely slowed things down... I'm 100% certain he has nothing to do with it," he said.

There is also a link to hear the radio interview.

I am glad that some of his family is being naturally defensive and supportive of him. I would hate for Spedding's health to completely fail him if he knows where William is, or if he knows who may have William now. It may take an arrest for him to reveal anything about William's location that he may know, as it did for Cowan, but at least William would be found.

.

 

[krig101]

I am glad his family is being naturally defensive of him. I would hate for Speddings health to complete fail him if he knows where William is, or if he knows who may have William now. It may take an arrest for him to reveal anything about William's location that he may know, as it did for Cowan, but at least William would be found.

Is it odd that it only seems to be his one son and DIL defending him? I mean, it seems odd to me but his family might just want to stay out of the spotlight. Just makes me wonder.

 

[krig101]

I wonder if Spedding has offered to undergo a lie detector test. If he is truly innocent of any wrongdoing, it may help to convince police and others of that. And if the results were inconclusive or indicate guilty knowledge, it wouldn't make any difference to his standing as a POI. It is not as if he can be arrested on the results of a lie detector test.

I have wondered this also many times, especially since there has been no mention of it in MSM. He may have taken one at request of LE and the results were not up to par. Would love to know!!!

 

[KCandy]

I'm not positive but I don't think lie detector tests are commonly used in Australia and not regarded as very useful by LE

 

[deugirtni]

I think lie detector test results are inadmissible in a court of law because of unreliability, MOO, and correct me if I'm wrong. What if, being innocent, he decided to go ahead and cooperate and do the lie detector test, and it suggested he was lying, because he was upset and nerves rattled? Although it would not make a difference in a trial, can you imagine if the public/media got hold of that info, that he 'failed' the lie detector test? Look what is happening to him already, even without such unreliable 'evidence'. I'm sure his legal counsel would have advised against it.

I wonder if Spedding has offered to undergo a lie detector test. If he is truly innocent of any wrongdoing, it may help to convince police and others of that. And if the results were inconclusive or indicate guilty knowledge, it wouldn't make any difference to his standing as a POI. It is not as if he can be arrested on the results of a lie detector test.

 

[deugirtni]

This quote that you quoted from dailymail: "The family had visited Kendall before, with locals recalling seeing them the previous December." ....

Could it have been restated (and embellished) from this statement from a neighbour in a different MSM article: ""We have had a couple of Christmas parties on the next door neighbour's block and everyone is invited. But you don't spend your life looking at what other people are doing."

It seems weird that initial reports were that it was his first visit at his grandmothers'. Also, even if the newspaper you quoted is correct and they had actually obtained some actual quotes from locals (which I doubt), it said 'the family had visited', but it doesn't specify that those visits/visit included those children.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/missing-william-tyrell-casts-dark-shadow-over-town-20141031-11fbdi.html

The family had visited Kendall before, with locals recalling seeing them the previous December.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hed-grandmother-s-backyard.html#ixzz3TqFTgdSU

 

[deugirtni]

If the September news reports were incorrect, and 'the family' had in fact visited during the December before (which we don't know which family members that would have included, whether or not it was the same foster chidlren that were with them, or if any children were with them at all, etc), WT would only have been 2.5 years old at the time, and likely quite different in appearance, speech, size, and ability to get around, etc.

So I don't know if the point is trying to be made that somehow, William potentially being seen 9 months earlier by some neighbour invited to a Christmas party on Grandmother's neighbour's block would put him on the wishlist of some local pedophile who also happened to be in attendance at the party, but even if that were true, it would have been a completely different child who showed up 9 months later.

Interesting....Is it possible that William's foster family consists of (in Kendall) relatives other than just the grandmother?

Just because William was visiting Granny at her house for the first time does not exclude him having previously visited an Aunt's house in Kendall for example, or any other relative in that locality. This does not seem outside the realms of possibility -Grandma lives in Kendall, so others from that family might live there too. William might have stayed in the area several times previously for all we know.

William may have been observed on those occasions (if they actually happened).

A mental note might have been made, by the perp, of William's family's car - upon seeing the vehicle in town on that Friday (when the father was running errands) the perp might have headed to Benaroon Drive, having heard that Grandma was just out of hospital.

No facts - just me throwing some thoughts around.

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm not positive but I don't think lie detector tests are commonly used in Australia and not regarded as very useful by LE

All Aussie references, and there are plenty more. I think it is a tool that is more frequently used than the public are aware.


"It should be highlighted, that although evidence obtained from a polygraph machine is for the most part inadmissible, this does not however prevent the police from potentially using polygraph tests in the course of their investigations."

http://www.findlaw.com.au/articles/4452/can-evidence-gained-from-a-lie-detector-test-be-ad.aspx

"Insight Intelligence provides lie detector testing and polygraph testing services for private individuals, corporate clients, government departments and police agencies.
See why law enforcement agencies, the media, large corporations and private individuals regularly utilise lie detection services provided by Insight Intelligence."

http://www.insightintelligence.com.au/polygraph-services

Polygraph examiner Gavin Wilson, a former South Australian police officer who trained in the USA, said Australian police also find the tests useful, despite being unable to use them in court.
“It’s another tool in the police’s armoury,” Mr Wilson told True Crime Scene.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...uding-oj-simpson/story-fnat7jnn-1226517656221

In 1996 Steve was the first Victorian Police Officer to graduate from Western Oregon University USA as a certified polygraph examiner.
He has consulted his services to the Victoria Police Homicide Squad, South Australia Police Major Crime Squad and the media.

http://www.svatraining.com.au/about-us.asp

 

[sleepinoz]

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This pic is from Saturdays Telegraph – and I can’t find the article online so a pic will have to do

 

[lampshade1]

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This pic is from Saturdays Telegraph – and I can’t find the article online so a pic will have to do

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I couldn't find the article online either and it was the first time I had seen that (in Saturdays daily tele) mentioned in the mainstream media. It would make kidnapping/ransom more likely.

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