Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) - #75

[iiiii's]

The police have said at the NSWCC to the FFC that they already know what has happened and they aren't bluffing... This was prior to the big dig. Was there evidence that was recorded from the FGM's car, the 1st time the car was tested that showed he had been in the car previously, but was not tested for proof of death materials? Possibly that became a factor later from POI's statements over the years such as "No, I never drove WT anywhere." as a hypothetical. Possibly tests were done later on initial material that was collected and it was decided that they needed to seize the car? The specialist who was used to locate Daniel Morcombes remains was at the dig was saying that in that spot, remains would have travelled and be about the size of 1/8th of a marble. I just don't understand why there is this resolution that nothing was found... There were POI's at the inquest that had never come up publicly, the sighting of different cars didn't come up for at least a year, what makes people think there isn't anything the strikeforce has been sitting on that the public don't know about? And why do we keep focusing on the boot of the car, why not all parts except the driver's seat.

 

[mussopossum]

July 2, 2023 - 2:58PM

Moment investigation into William Tyrrell’s disappearance took a turn​

In September 2021, on the seventh anniversary of William’s disappearance, Chief Inspector Laidlaw said in a statement that “further information had come to light” as part of an ongoing review into the case, but provided no detail as to the nature of that information.

https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/moment-investigation-into-william-tyrrells-disappearance-took-a-turn/news-story/a80ad38fa449680309d1746da7ba3d93

 

[drsleuth]

The police have said at the NSWCC to the FFC that they already know what has happened and they aren't bluffing... This was prior to the big dig. Was there evidence that was recorded from the FGM's car, the 1st time the car was tested that showed he had been in the car previously, but was not tested for proof of death materials? Possibly that became a factor later from POI's statements over the years such as "No, I never drove WT anywhere." as a hypothetical. Possibly tests were done later on initial material that was collected and it was decided that they needed to seize the car? The specialist who was used to locate Daniel Morcombes remains was at the dig was saying that in that spot, remains would have travelled and be about the size of 1/8th of a marble. I just don't understand why there is this resolution that nothing was found... There were POI's at the inquest that had never come up publicly, the sighting of different cars didn't come up for at least a year, what makes people think there isn't anything the strikeforce has been sitting on that the public don't know about? And why do we keep focusing on the boot of the car, why not all parts except the driver's seat.

I think we need to remember that there was LOTS of closed court too

 

[SLouTh]

what makes people think there isn't anything the strikeforce has been sitting on that the public don't know about?

I just don't understand why there is this resolution that nothing was found...

Totally agree!!!

OF course SFR have evidence we don’t know about!! They couldn’t possibly put a brief together for the DPP without some sort of evidence to back it up…

I for one, am very keen to hear what evidence they do have …. And to discuss it …

JMO

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I'm going to be very surprised if the FM had anything to do with William disappearing.

If it turns out that she did, it will sort of be a first for me.


You see,I've been following crime cases for many years,delving deep down into the facts. or in some cases, so called facts.
And also into the personalities of those involved.
And possible scenarios. Not just those that "most people would do" Or the "right way" a grieving person "should act" Remember Lindy.


And it came to me, and was so surprising, that I thought that can't be true!

What came to me was that not once in any cases involving disappearances, possibly murder, has a person I thought was innocent turned out to be guilty.

I say turned out, because some that I continued to believe were innocent were actually jailed, and later found not guilty, like I thought they were all along.


Not very scientific but I'm coming from a stance of innocent until proven guilty.

You know that one, that a lot of people just take no notice of.

 

[Dannywood]

Totally agree!!!

OF course SFR have evidence we don’t know about!! They couldn’t possibly put a brief together for the DPP without some sort of evidence to back it up…

I for one, am very keen to hear what evidence they do have …. And to discuss it …

JMO

They wouldn't waste their time putting a brief to the DPP in this case if it wasn't a very good brief of evidence, IMO.

I'm also baffled by the concept that if we haven't seen it, it doesn't exist.
I don't know of a single criminal case where the evidence findings were shown to the public. Why would this case be different?
I wonder if because the case has been so highly publicised that some people feel a sense of ownership of the case? As though as members of the public they deserve to be privy to every part of the disclosure process? It's quite unusual IMO and it echos the Foster Mother's demands to have the evidence provided to her. Why would she feel entitled to that?

 

[SLouTh]

the Foster Mother's demands to have the evidence provided to her. Why would she feel entitled to that?

If the DPP do lay a charge, the FM is entitled to that information, in the very next step of the process… the committal phase, which I found very surprising too……

During this stage, police send us, and the accused, the evidence they gathered in their investigation, called a ‘brief’.

https://www.odpp.nsw.gov.au/prosecution-guidance/steps-in-the-prosecution-process/committal-process

 

[katydid23]

Have you got a link to show an official saying that they did not discover those things the first and last time?

If they had found any of those ^^^ things---blood, leakage from a dead body, hair----we would know already.

If they had found those things the first time, the vehicle would not have been returned, and there would have been arrests.

If they found any of those things recently, I think there would have been charges of murder, not questions about harming a corpse.

 

[SLouTh]

DBM Accidental Double Post

 

[SouthAussie]

The specialist who was used to locate Daniel Morcombes remains was at the dig was saying that in that spot, remains would have travelled and be about the size of 1/8th of a marble. I just don't understand why there is this resolution that nothing was found.

Probably because DCS Darren Bennett said in his presser of 15th Nov 2021 that ... "They’ll tell media straight away if they find anything of high significance". Link, and Another link

The media consequently reported in Apr '22 that ... "Investigators did not find anything of note during a new search of bush".
(Just one MSM source, the DT also reported this, and others.)

Even the DM reported in June '22 that .... "Forensics tore up half of Kendall looking for a body, a bone fragment, or even a thread of his Spider-Man suit. Nothing was found."

Presumably, they would have received this information from their personal police sources.

 

[Dannywood]

If the DPP do lay a charge, the FM is entitled to that information, in the very next step of the process… the committal phase, which I found very surprising too……

During this stage, police send us, and the accused, the evidence they gathered in their investigation, called a ‘brief’.

https://www.odpp.nsw.gov.au/prosecution-guidance/steps-in-the-prosecution-process/committal-process

Agree but she's not entitled to the information prior to that stage. Her demands prior to due process are odd, almost as if she thinks she's running the show IMO.

 

[SouthAussie]

Double

 

[SouthAussie]

If the DPP do lay a charge, the FM is entitled to that information, in the very next step of the process… the committal phase, which I found very surprising too……

During this stage, police send us, and the accused, the evidence they gathered in their investigation, called a ‘brief’.

Committal process | ODPP

Yep. Her lawyer was basically saying charge her and let's see the evidence. imo

The lawyer knows there is no evidence released to them prior to charging (as do we).

 

[katydid23]

They wouldn't waste their time putting a brief to the DPP in this case if it wasn't a very good brief of evidence, IMO.

I'm also baffled by the concept that if we haven't seen it, it doesn't exist.
I don't know of a single criminal case where the evidence findings were shown to the public. Why would this case be different?
I wonder if because the case has been so highly publicised that some people feel a sense of ownership of the case? As though as members of the public they deserve to be privy to every part of the disclosure process? It's quite unusual IMO and it echos the Foster Mother's demands to have the evidence provided to her. Why would she feel entitled to that?

During the Big Dig, they put on a 'Show And Tell' for the media, whenever they found anything. Animal bones, old red material scraps, sifted gravel. And they said they would tell the public if they found the remains they were searching for.

 

[drsleuth]

Police drain creek on day five of search for William Tyrrell's remains

A creek is drained near the property where missing three-year-old William Tyrrell was last seen seven years ago, as police and Rural Fire Service volunteers continue to search for the boy's remains.

www.abc.net.au

Earlier this week, a ripple of excitement ran through the search area as a senior detective strode in, clutching a Spider-Man suit.

Two strands of red thread had been found in bush about 1 kilometre from where William Tyrrell was last seen.

The suit was compared to the threads, which were then taken away for forensic examination.

But the ABC understands that was a formality and police have already ruled out any chance the threads will be the key to unlocking the case's secrets.

This is what I found on one of my looks around, I imagine they found lots of unrelated stuff over the years

 

[k-mac]

The police have said at the NSWCC to the FFC that they already know what has happened and they aren't bluffing... This was prior to the big dig. Was there evidence that was recorded from the FGM's car, the 1st time the car was tested that showed he had been in the car previously, but was not tested for proof of death materials? Possibly that became a factor later from POI's statements over the years such as "No, I never drove WT anywhere." as a hypothetical. Possibly tests were done later on initial material that was collected and it was decided that they needed to seize the car? The specialist who was used to locate Daniel Morcombes remains was at the dig was saying that in that spot, remains would have travelled and be about the size of 1/8th of a marble. I just don't understand why there is this resolution that nothing was found... There were POI's at the inquest that had never come up publicly, the sighting of different cars didn't come up for at least a year, what makes people think there isn't anything the strikeforce has been sitting on that the public don't know about? And why do we keep focusing on the boot of the car, why not all parts except the driver's seat.

The boot of the car is my hypothesis.

Its just been the focus of chat.

I suspect personally that grandma's car is the catalyst of evidence found and kept under lock and key.
LE do not have to tell the public anything.

 

[Awakening]

Aside from blood in the boot the only other thing that I can think of that would have significance 7 plus years later is fibers.

So if during the big dig they found material like a hessian bag or clothing with a tiny amount of WT’s blood on it, then maybe they went back to FGM’s car to see if there were any fibers in the boot that matched the material they hypothetically found?

 

[Couldbe]

Aside from blood in the boot the only other thing that I can think of that would have significance 7 plus years later is fibers.

So if during the big dig they found material like a hessian bag or clothing with a tiny amount of WT’s blood on it, then maybe they went back to FGM’s car to see if there were any fibers in the boot that matched the material they hypothetically found?

I think the Police had already seized the FGM's Mazda at the time of commencing the big dig.

 

[butterstick]

Most normal people wouldn't cover up an accident or assault. A normal person would call 000.

True. Normal people generally don't end up on websleuths, yet here we are.

New article here

Top cop who once led investigation on William Tyrrell on new charges

Potential charges against William's foster mother were widely reported after a confidential brief of evidence from NSW Police to the Department of Public Prosecutions made its way to the ABC.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Free version of this mornings message from GJ that was in The Telegraph this am….

Why on earth he'd choose to add to the noise is beyond me. Quite deliberate and disgraceful of him, imo.

 

[iiiii's]

Police drain creek on day five of search for William Tyrrell's remains

A creek is drained near the property where missing three-year-old William Tyrrell was last seen seven years ago, as police and Rural Fire Service volunteers continue to search for the boy's remains.

www.abc.net.au

Earlier this week, a ripple of excitement ran through the search area as a senior detective strode in, clutching a Spider-Man suit.

Two strands of red thread had been found in bush about 1 kilometre from where William Tyrrell was last seen.

The suit was compared to the threads, which were then taken away for forensic examination.

But the ABC understands that was a formality and police have already ruled out any chance the threads will be the key to unlocking the case's secrets.

This is what I found on one of my looks around, I imagine they found lots of unrelated stuff over the years

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What could that possibly mean? That they think he wasn't in the suit when moved? That they are in possession of the suit?