Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard, Kendall (NSW), Sept 2014 #76

[Coldpizza]

William Tyrrell: ‘One million reasons’ to come forward over toddler’s abduction
7:29pm September 12, 2016

A $1 million reward, the largest in New South Wales history, has been announced for information that leads to the arrest of the person who abducted missing toddler William Tyrrell, or for the boy’s safe return or recovery.

William, then aged three, went missing from the backyard of his grandmother’s home in Kendall, on the state's mid-north coast, on September 12, 2014.

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"You’re in a much better position if you come to us than if we come to you."

Det. Insp. Jubelin also said the investigation was "a long way" from going to a coronial inquest, and that police did not believe William's family were involved.

PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IS WRITTEN BELOW. YOU MUST FOLLOW WHAT IS OUTLINED OR YOU WILL BE TIMED OUT OR BANNED!!!!

Thanks to DrSleuth for your help in writing up the information needed for the discussion.

Here is what we can and cannot discuss.

No identifying the biological family, the foster family or any associates ( ie siblings, etc ) or their addresses, places of employment or childcare, etc

They can be identified as bio mother etc & female foster carer etc

At the inquest, they are known as biological mother & father. Foster family are known as FFC ( female foster carer ) MFC ( male foster carer ) FFGM ( female foster grandmother ) etc
REMEMBER THE ABOVE PEOPLE CANNOT BE IDENTIFIED USING THEIR INITIALS.

Prior to the coronial inquest, the bio families could be identified, but it was overturned by the coroner for the inquest.

I am very sorry it took me so long to open this thread back up. Please keep in mind we are short handed so if this thread starts to get out of control with alerts we will have to close it again.
Please do not hesitate to alert but make sure the alert is truly needed. We have experienced a lot of tit for tat alerts and that makes me foam at the mouth, grow hair on my hands and my teeth turn into fangs. In other words please be sure when you post you are posting within our terms of service.

Thank you,
Tricia

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William Tyrrell MEDIA/MAPS/TIMELINE *NO DISCUSSION*

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[Sillybilly]

So, does that mean it's OK to discuss any other books on the subject?

There is no blanket approval. Please contact a Mod or Admin with the name of the book and the author and we will make a decision.

Chumley's book "Searching for Spiderman" is not approved.

Gary Jubelin's book and Caroline Overington's book are the only two that are approved for discussion at this time.

I think they should be okay - as one is a journo and one is an ex-lead detective on the case - but I will alert on my post and see if a mod can clarify how we should reference. Whether that be the book and page number, or a screenshot of the specific excerpt from the page of one of the allowable books.

IIRC stormbird was putting up screenshots when she spoke of particular passages from Overington's book.

Both books can be discussed.

Always give credit to the author. Book title, page # and paraphrasing or brief quotes are allowed.

Screenshots and more extensive quoting requires approval of the author (the copyright holder).

Do not try to get more content in by breaking it up into multiple posts.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

This case has its very own set of very unique circumstances that we are having to work around and we know it is difficult for our members.

Of course we have William's case, but we also have the complicating factors of the foster situation, a living minor child, a coronial inquest that prevents publication of names, an AVO not known 100% to be immediately connected to William's case.

Taking all the above into consideration, we can not allow sleuthing of individuals who have not been publicly named.

Discussing what is in MSM is fine, but actual sleuthing of unnamed persons and posting about their background, their personal information or social media is not allowed.

Thanks to everyone here for trying to post accordingly through all this murkiness.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

IMPORTANT

PLEASE READ AND 'LIKE' THIS POST SO WE KNOW YOU HAVE READ IT.

Thread #66 remains pulled due to a recent influx of trolls. We may be able to get it reinstated in a couple of weeks.

Those individuals that we have been able to identify have been banned. There may be others who registered earlier and are waiting in the wings.

This new thread is for discussion only by our long term, veteran Websleuths members who have a sincere dedication to William's case.

As a result of this recent troll invasion we are not allowing new members to join in this discussion.

We are requesting that our trusted members Report posts by new members who join Websleuths after today (December 23, 2021) to participate in William's thread. We will review the matter and deal with it accordingly.

Those whose goal is to incite conflict are not welcome at Websleuths.

Thank you to all our members who have been able to participate respectfully and responsibly in this discussion. We truly appreciate you.

Sillybilly
WS Administrator

 

[Sillybilly]

Also, as there is no approved source regarding a statement to the Director of Young Hope, that is considered rumor at Websleuths. Posts and responses related to it have been removed or modsnipped.

Please don't bring it back into this discussion unless there is an approved source to substantiate such information.

 

[Sillybilly]

Hey everyone,

The Spedding award by the court is of interest, but discussion of the actual historical charges have nothing to do with William's case.

Please move past that discussion.

Thanks.

ETA: Changed "settlement" to "award by the court".

 

[Knitty]

Please continue here.

 

[Mauig’ma]

Lil William, oh how sorry I am that there’s been no justice served in your case. I continue to pray and hold out hope that someday soon you will get the justice you so deserve. Where are you William? Until you’re found I’ll never give up hope. God speed

 

[SouthAussie]

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"The first 48 hours of a serious crime investigation is CRITICAL."
Thread 75, post 1065


Just a bit of background, for anyone who may not be aware .....

SFR was formed 4 days after William disappeared (16 Sep 2014). Consisting of a blend of different agencies, sex crime squad detectives being from one of those agencies. A court heard that initially the strike force was overwhelmed, understaffed, had technical bungles and personality clashes, and no formal investigative strategy until five months later (Feb 2015).
Inside the task force investigating the disappearance of William Tyrrell

Homicide took over the case in Dec 2014.
Search for missing boy William Tyrell now in the hands of homicide squad

 

[Little Doggo]

This looks interesting. When they mention cuts, there’s a close up of a woman’s hand. I’ve often wondered about the cuts on FM’s dominant hand that day.

 

[JLZ]

This looks interesting. When they mention cuts, there’s a close up of a woman’s hand. I’ve often wondered about the cuts on FM’s dominant hand that day.

But is it FFC's hand, or an illustration? Police should have taken pictures of the actual cut/graze.

 

[k-mac]

This looks interesting. When they mention cuts, there’s a close up of a woman’s hand. I’ve often wondered about the cuts on FM’s dominant hand that day.

This interview broke my heart. Feel her pain every time I see it.
BM is so burdened.... by so much.
xx

 

[k-mac]

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"The first 48 hours of a serious crime investigation is CRITICAL."
Thread 75, post 1065


Just a bit of background, for anyone who may not be aware .....

SFR was formed 4 days after William disappeared (16 Sep 2014). Consisting of a blend of different agencies, sex crime squad detectives being from one of those agencies. A court heard that initially the strike force was overwhelmed, understaffed, had technical bungles and personality clashes, and no formal investigative strategy until five months later (Feb 2015).
Inside the task force investigating the disappearance of William Tyrrell

Homicide took over the case in Dec 2014.
Search for missing boy William Tyrell now in the hands of homicide squad

You got it.

Bungled from the get-go.

 

[centred]

You got it.

Bungled from the get-go.

Yes a reminder for me , all those people were looking for a missing boy not a missing body !

A huge difference as to what all eyes were on that day and others following ...

even though it was suggested by FM from the get go that "someone had snatched " him

and days later remembered seeing "cars" and strangers in the street ....

When exactly was it , how many days later did "people" really start looking for a body ?

If it was an abduction , chances are WIlliam is no longer in the area ...so

when did "people" start searching for a body close by ....

Most likely when it was suggested someone in that street (living) could be responsible ...

previous to this "people"were not looking for a body nearby ...

Bungled or misdirected, or misguided assumptions either way ..William is still missing sadly

 

[LolaAngelina]

Wow, this does not bode well for Williams case.

“Unsolved homicide squad detective chief inspector David Laidlaw conceded his team had no record of many of the cold cases being examined and had made no communication with the hate crimes unit over the course of the hearing”

“Det chief insp Laidlaw conceded the evidence “was just plain wrong”

“In another startling admission Laidlaw said his team “quite possibly” did not look at all cases between 1970 and 2009 and agreed he had “absolutely no idea as to the dimension of the problem”

Judge urges urgent audit of all unsolved homicide cases

The head of the NSW unsolved homicide squad could not tell an inquiry how cases were selected for review and where any list for reinvestigations could be found.

au.sports.yahoo.com

 

[SouthAussie]

When exactly was it , how many days later did "people" really start looking for a body ?

Probably right away. Too many toddlers and young children have been found deceased in dams. Hidden beneath the surface, caught in weeds. They know that.

They stuck cameras down drains and sewer pipes. Looked in rain water tanks. Looking for a body, or possibly an injured/unconscious William.

They did line searches through bush and over open fields (there are photos way back in the threads), looking for a disturbance, a thread, a clue. I don't think they were just casting their eyes around looking for signs of a red Spiderman suit. Not the professionals who were searching, at least.

I think it was after 6 days they were starting to say that William wouldn't have survived for this long alone in the bush.

ETA link: William Tyrrell: Missing boy could not survive six days in bush, police say

 

[centred]

Wow, this does not bode well for Williams case.

“Unsolved homicide squad detective chief inspector David Laidlaw conceded his team had no record of many of the cold cases being examined and had made no communication with the hate crimes unit over the course of the hearing”

“Det chief insp Laidlaw conceded the evidence “was just plain wrong”

“In another startling admission Laidlaw said his team “quite possibly” did not look at all cases between 1970 and 2009 and agreed he had “absolutely no idea as to the dimension of the problem”

Judge urges urgent audit of all unsolved homicide cases

The head of the NSW unsolved homicide squad could not tell an inquiry how cases were selected for review and where any list for reinvestigations could be found.

au.sports.yahoo.com

it is possible previous to 2004 that the cases from the 70 s were treated very differently and records of evidence almost non existent so picking up these cases for any investigator would be behind the eight ball to try to follow up or to find them in existence as homicides ,some we know were deemed to be suicides IMO

 

[centred]

Probably right away. Too many toddlers and young children have been found deceased in dams. Hidden beneath the surface, caught in weeds. They know that.

They stuck cameras down drains and sewer pipes. Looked in rain water tanks. Looking for a body, or possibly an injured/unconscious William.

They did line searches through bush and over open fields (there are photos way back in the threads), looking for a disturbance, a thread, a clue. I don't think they were just casting their eyes around looking for signs of a red Spiderman suit. Not the professionals who were searching, at least.

I think it was after 6 days they were starting to say that William wouldn't have survived for this long alone in the bush.

ETA link: William Tyrrell: Missing boy could not survive six days in bush, police say

agree maybe some professionals were more thorough ,however not everyone was privy to the suggestion that he was snatched at that time

 

[LolaAngelina]

it is possible previous to 2004 that the cases from the 70 s were treated very differently and records of evidence almost non existent so picking up these cases for any investigator would be behind the eight ball to try to follow up or to find them in existence as homicides ,some we know were deemed to be suicides IMO

Yes lm sure that’s the case. The issue here is that Laidlaw admits they didn’t look at all the cases and it’s very concerning they didn’t speak to the hate crimes unit and he says he has no idea of the dimension of the problem.
I can see why an audit was done and it makes me worry that he’s not doing a thorough job in Williams case

 

[SouthAussie]

agree maybe some professionals were more thorough ,however not everyone was privy to the suggestion that he was snatched at that time

Even if an abductor took William, he/she may have shallow-graved William nearby pretty quickly. The police would have been aware of that.

The police gave directions to the search teams (public included). They assembled at the showgrounds in the mornings, and we saw photos of the police speaking to them as a group. Maybe they were also told indicators to look for. Broken branches, footprints, a little concealed/hard to see William. I have never read what their specific instructions were, though.