Yes agree, but it is a bit unusual … to be heard together… (I also haven’t heard of that before …)
There would be too many common facts and questions between the two trials to warrant holding them separately. In other words both FCs charges arise from the same set of facts.
I think they possibly ran out of time last week, was the Victim Statement delivered ? Agree that the Dec dates will be the finalising of information & summations.FF’s barrister was at last weeks hearing every day, and interjecting, but the media didn’t focus much on it …. (He is mentioned in multiple articles, but the media seemed to focus on Stratton)
It did appear that they ran out of time last week.
The following was published regarding December,
The magistrate ordered written submissions from the parties before returning to court in December with plans to deliver a judgment in February.
To me, it appears that the December date is for closing arguments and submissions….
IMO
FF is due to appear for the NSWCC Lying Charges in November.
New hearing dates of November 6 and 7 were confirmed, with the matter to be mentioned briefly in September.
It will be interesting to see if these proposed dates are changed yet again???
IMO
Tears as child taken from Tyrrell foster mum's care
Missing toddler William Tyrrell's former foster mother told a child being removed from her care that it wasn't the youngster's fault, a court has heard.www.perthnow.com.au
Seperate charges to the assault charges, according to this:
There would be too many common facts and questions between the two trials to warrant holding them separately. In other words both FCs charges arise from the same set of facts.
Either FC could have made an application for a separate trial if they thought a joint hearing would be prejudicial. I’m not sure if that happened or not. Moo
ETA caveat that I’m not a legal expert
Maybe because one is a Criminal law specialist (English) and the other is a Tendency specialist (Stratton) …. Both of which, are relevant to this hearing ….
The support worker can't be a defence witness because the DM article reporting it is Thursday and the prosecution didn't close its case until Friday. It does say prosecution cross-examined and then a few paragraphs below it says Phillip English (for MFC) cross-examined. I think prosecution examined its own witness and then defence cross-examined and DM can't tell the difference. The witnesses weren't called to give glowing character references, but said positive things under cross-examination (IMO).There was an earlier article to say the prosecution had finished earlier than Friday afternoon, that I am trying to find… and I should have added IMO to my original post …(apologies for that)
For the prosecution to be cross- examining the witness, the witness must have been called by the defence ….IMO
One example:
During cross-examination by the prosecution, the support worker recounted what LT had told her in December 2022 during a break in a police interview with the girl.
I have also noted that the hearing has been adjourned until 4 December
I also don’t believe the prosecution would have been calling people to give glowing character references, like that of Adam McMahon, a foster care support worker with the Department of Communities and Justice.
But that is my opinion only.
Magistrate rejects attempt by Tyrrell foster mother to have charges thrown out
The woman, who cannot be named, is accused of intimidating a child who is not the missing toddler between January and August 2021. She has pleaded not guilty.www.smh.com.au
William Tyrrell's foster father allegedly put hands around girl's neck
During cross-examination it was revealed that the girl, known as LT, told a support person that her foster father had 'mental health issues' and had put is hands around her throat during an argument.www.dailymail.co.uk
Disagree that it's unusual.
www.judcom.nsw.gov.au
Admission of an error ….Didn‘t the defence call 5 Witnesses on Friday ?
As follows, in no particular order….
(There may have been more?? )
- Megan Payne, a NSW Department of Communities and Justice official
- Emma Ballard had counselling sessions
- Child abuse unit detective Matthew Davis
- Adam McMahon, a foster care support worker with the Department of Communities and Justice
- Support Person - A woman who met the child around that time was also with the youth for support when they were interviewed by police in December 2022.
Tears as child taken from Tyrrell foster mum's care
Child 'scared' after Tyrrell foster dad's alleged abuse
www.9news.com.au
Magistrate rejects attempt by Tyrrell foster mother to have charges thrown out
The woman, who cannot be named, is accused of intimidating a child who is not the missing toddler between January and August 2021. She has pleaded not guilty.
7news.com.au
A trial is a type of hearing as I understand it.
Would this be everything to do with the child's testimony and any counselling/psychological/file notes and professionals attached to those notes? Would there be any other evidence other's could think of that might be under NPO? Wondering if there might be other evidence that goes to the offences committed?Admission of an error ….
Apologies…
It appears these witnesses may have been for the prosecution …… (Although many articles last week were badly written and easy to misinterpret IMO )
The foster parents of William Tyrrell will face up to 10 prosecution witnesses and surveillance footage when a case unrelated to the missing Sydney boy goes to trial.
Evidence related to the prosecution of William’s foster parents over the alleged assault and stalking of another child, as well their identities, are not able to be published under a gag order seeking to protect the administration of justice.
The pair have entered not guilty pleas to charges of common assault and stalking.
William Tyrrell’s foster parents facing trial for alleged assault on different child
The pair will face up to 10 prosecution witnesses and surveillance footage at the hearing.
It was reported that the prosecution case closed on Friday. But, the reporting has been pretty bad so who knows.
Yes agree, and I would be certain that some evidence would be under suppression orders with a child involved.
Ah, topic changed and I didn't notice.It was reported that the prosecution case closed on Friday. But, the reporting has been pretty bad so who knows.
On Friday, when prosecutors closed their case following the five-day hearing. . . .
Magistrate rejects attempt by Tyrrell foster mother to have charges thrown out
The woman, who cannot be named, is accused of intimidating a child who is not the missing toddler between January and August 2021. She has pleaded not guilty.
