Why are all these recordings being played if she is pleading guilty to the assault charges, surely there is a police fact sheet that magistrates usually refer to when a defendant is pleading guilty? Wouldn't they just play tapes for the stalking and intimidation charges?
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Yes. This.Educated guess she may be referring to PS ???? He made a few phone calls in that time period ……. But JMO
'They cleared a guy on a telephone call after William went missing, she said in a taped recording on October 20, 2021.
The foster mother was speaking at a time when she had already appeared before the NSW Crime Commission to be questioned in a clandestine hearing into what she and the foster father knew about William's disappearance.
William Tyrrell's foster mum says police botched missing toddler case
William Tyrrell's foster mother has claimed she was under scrutiny the disappearance of her missing toddler foster son because police had botched up investigations into the boy.www.dailymail.co.uk
IMO she loved that LE was hot for PS. Long as they were looking at him, they weren't looking at her.
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I agree she is responsible for her actions. She has found out that she is the police POI and she is not coping. At the same time the child has said that she is going to kick the other child and she lashes out and kicks her hard. She realises how out of control she is. She has to manage a child that she can't explain rationally or logically to, that she is under immense pressure. She tries to apologise. She tries to be accountable. Apparently up until that time, she didn't kick children. It was not long after this that she was before the NSWCC, charged for assault and had the children removed from her care. Police knew the pressure she was under from the taps. MOO I am deeply bothered by her line, "I don't have to love you, but I do. Do you understand?" That's probably one of the most alarming things I've ever heard anyone say to a child.
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Anybody here know how tapping works?
It's just can't be possible that some guy has to listen in real time. So they spot-listen? Does software flag certain words? Things LE preloads. Wm. Bury. Missing. Child.
Much of the tine they'd just be silence!!! Unless it's voice activated, I suppose.
I can't help but to think these acts of abuse were caught on tape, but listened to after the fact. At which point the covert surveillance was blown in the rightful interest of child protection.
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It's just can't be possible that some guy has to listen in real time. So they spot-listen? Does software flag certain words? Things LE preloads. Wm. Bury. Missing. Child.
Much of the tine they'd just be silence!!! Unless it's voice activated, I suppose.
I can't help but to think these acts of abuse were caught on tape, but listened to after the fact. At which point the covert surveillance was blown in the rightful interest of child protection.
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If any good is to come out of this dreadful situation, IMO it’ll be a complete investigation of the whole Human & Child Services departments in this country - from the Top & across the fattest of cats.
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Well - it could. Anything is possible given the right support from the right places. …
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I’m certainly disturbed by what this young girl was subjected to over this documented period of time & concerned about the impact of same on her. I pray she’s getting very good care & support now.
I can’t imagine being in the shoes of those investigating officers - being caught in the middle of 2 very bad situations & having to make decisions of one over the other / where to draw the line.
( just a feeling in my waters that ‘School’ was possibly a safe place for her. In the taped conversations FFC made numerous references to School in ways that IMO came across as a little bitter or disparaging, with a warning not to tell anyone at School about things or they’ll say she’s abused.
And we heard L say ‘I don’t act like this there’. She may‘ve confided in someone at school & they may have been on it)
I’m also intrigued by the timelines & when the taping first started / when did the abuse first came to light. How soon was it after the final sitting of the Inquest ?
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Hi SLouTh, I think the referred ‘another child’ is meaning it’s not William.It appears the assault of kicking a child, was the younger child ….but it could be the other child…. (ETA)
Taken from the linked article:
William Tyrrell’s former foster parent has been accused of being a bad mother by another child, who a court heard the woman kicked and threatened to slap.
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In a clash covertly recorded by police in October that year, a loud bang could be heard followed by the youngster screaming in pain.
“She kicked me,” the child was heard yelling.
“You’re a bad mother.”
The child later said they did not want to remain with the couple, leading to a rant from the mother about the youth having a “get-out-of-jail-free card”.
‘Bad mother’: William Tyrrell’s foster parent heard kicking child
The former foster mother of William Tyrrell has been accused of being a bad parent for kicking another child and threatening to slap them across the face.7news.com.au
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In my opinion, all these speak clearly to the charges of ‘intimidation‘.
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For the same reason some people might get botox, designer clothes and flashy cars -- to look good.Why did these people want a child 3 times in a row? I can not understand.
IMO mommy dearest wanted the image of the quintessential mother even if she had to hammer the children to fit them into her perfect portrait.
It's right there in her words. Blame. It's the child's fault she's not perfect. Child's job to make her perfect.
And of course, that's never a child's job.
And now this, she's blaming her actions on the pressure of the investigation.
Which IMO is just another way of blaming a child for the situation she's in.
Wm was a (foster) daddy's boy (probably because he was young, loving and impressionable and NOT because the foster father was entirely kind or gentle -- 'daddy's boy' probably daddy's way more about Wm than the foster father.) I suspect Wm"s morning went from busy busy busy to monster mommy.
Absolutely tragic. Gutted for the foster daughter -- wait and watch -- when she gets her voice, she may give Wm his!
Jmo
“This comes as it was revealed William’s sister often asks 'Has anyone seen my little brother?'”
Missing William Tyrell's sister asks 'Has anyone seen my brother?'
"‘Police still have no leads as to his whereabouts, with extensive searches of the bushland around the property failing to uncover any clues.
Kendall local Kay Dollery says William's four-year-old sister, who lives with their parents on Sydney's north shore, often asks after her brother.
Ms Dollery had William's Sydney neighbours stay with her when they travelled to Kendall to help during the initial week-long search in September.
'I've been to Sydney and had dinner with one of them and they said the sister keeps coming in and saying "Has anyone seen my little brother?"' she told Daily Mail Australia.
'It just brings you to tears."
........ and now, as an 11 yr old, look at how she was treated by the FM and FF. MOO
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These revelations continue to disturb me.
The female caregiver's grievances:
Not putting toys away
Not putting clothes away
Or not fast enough
Makes me think about Wm's morning. His routine, upset. So many transitions in his young life, then a long car ride, McDs, sleeping in a strange bed, waking up raring to go.
His capital ( as if) offenses
The bedwetting
General loudness
General busyness
Not rolling the dice correctly
Maybe not using crayons correctly. Or quietly. Or long enough.
Crashing his bike.
Seriously that's a Day in the Life of EVERY household with a toddler. How tight was she WOUND that she couldn't embrace that?!!!
I listen to what she says.
Had to show Wm how to roll the dice correctly.
Excuse me.
Wm is MISSING. How is it STILL all about YOU?!
She seems hellbent on convincing people she's a mother superior. It was there from the first alert.
We were playing, drawing, all very calm, organized, gently instructing on dice rolling, like a Norman Rockwell painting.... then it was too quiet and straightaway she's goes in search of. Good mommy. Grants herself 5 minutes for the looking away because more than 5 might should neglectful....
Whatever happened to Wm that day, I cam imagine her saying, I can't believe this happened... your fault, you made me do it. I'm not violent, I just had to break you...
Deja vu
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The female caregiver's grievances:
Not putting toys away
Not putting clothes away
Or not fast enough
Makes me think about Wm's morning. His routine, upset. So many transitions in his young life, then a long car ride, McDs, sleeping in a strange bed, waking up raring to go.
His capital ( as if) offenses
The bedwetting
General loudness
General busyness
Not rolling the dice correctly
Maybe not using crayons correctly. Or quietly. Or long enough.
Crashing his bike.
Seriously that's a Day in the Life of EVERY household with a toddler. How tight was she WOUND that she couldn't embrace that?!!!
I listen to what she says.
Had to show Wm how to roll the dice correctly.
Excuse me.
Wm is MISSING. How is it STILL all about YOU?!
She seems hellbent on convincing people she's a mother superior. It was there from the first alert.
We were playing, drawing, all very calm, organized, gently instructing on dice rolling, like a Norman Rockwell painting.... then it was too quiet and straightaway she's goes in search of. Good mommy. Grants herself 5 minutes for the looking away because more than 5 might should neglectful....
Whatever happened to Wm that day, I cam imagine her saying, I can't believe this happened... your fault, you made me do it. I'm not violent, I just had to break you...
Deja vu
JMO
Losing clothes
Having too many toys
Having an expression on her face
Not looking at FFC
Making FFC violent
Losing parents
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Lonergan said that they didn't inform DCJ about the alleged (at the time) assault because the police were monitoring the home and the children in it. (Link from Nov '22)
Then Ogilvy was asked why he did not hand the case to a unit that investigates child abuse and he said because it did not meet the threshold. (Link from yesterday)
Despite police being Mandatory Reporters - which means immediately notifying DCJ. Link
Then the prosecutor said that when the police did meet with DCJ about the matter, the child was removed. (Link from 2 days ago) Which obviously happened at some point after the Oct '21 assault.
The first assault happened in Jan 2021. The second in Oct 2021.
This was their covert operation, they hoped it was to bring closure to William's case.
There is not a chance in the world that they were unaware of the Jan assault until Oct. Or that they had a little listen every now and again.
What else would they have had to do for this case? They had decided to drop other POIs despite being unable to rule them out. Full force against FM. They listened to covert recordings.
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What if it was FACS? And they did nothing. She'd confided frustrations to them before, over William.
Even when she is calm, she can't articulate what she wants the child to stop doing. How can the child comply when she isn't given intelligible instructions?There is more context in this article. It is really hard to get context from some of the articles.
This part is in response to what you say about maybe trying to be accountable while trying to figure out how to manage the child.
The police would have heard this, too. They knew she wasn't coping with the child.
Later that same day, another recording heard the woman apologise to the child.
"I lost complete control and I need to apologise. I am sorry I did that," she said in the recording.
"There's a lot going on for me that you don't know about, a huge amount of pressure and your poking the bear is triggering me and I am right at the end of my coping. I need you to just stop."
The woman then tells the child physical violence is never acceptable and tells the child she loves them.
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And oh god, that (I hate everything about you but) I LOVE YOU!
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A parent can dislike a child's behaviour, but still love the child.
We are all speaking as if this woman had a humdrum life. Pack the kids off to school and enjoy the day. Then nitpick at every little thing the child did or didn't do.
When in fact the police were suddenly accusing her of dropping William's dead (and unfound) body at the end of her mother's street, and were being published in the media as accusing her. Applying maximum pressure in the hopes of having her confess to something she may not have done.
Yes, she reacted REALLY badly. And so did the police. They chose to keep the child in that environment to try to further their case. Did it work? Or did it further harm the child?
SA, you have said: "at the end of her mother's street" .... FMG lived 48 Benaroon Drive .... has it been alleged that is where William's body was dropped?
'You're a bad mother': Court hears more recordings of alleged abuse by Tyrrell foster mother
“On Monday, the woman pleaded guilty to two counts of common assault but denied two counts of stalking or intimidation of the child.”
JMO - So does this mean that there have been two incidences of stalking occur?
“On Monday, the woman pleaded guilty to two counts of common assault but denied two counts of stalking or intimidation of the child.”
JMO - So does this mean that there have been two incidences of stalking occur?
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