AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #6

[cab guy]

Who here thinks that LE knows more than what has been released? (ok, maybe I'm too hopeful).
Also, I believe the FBI has been brought in to help the Tempe LE, right?

Take it from me, the police always know much more about a missing person's case than the general public. This is the way it should be. There is little reason or motivation for them to release anything more than they feel is necessary. If there is a crime here--and I believe there is--you can be sure that the guilty party is watching the news and web as much as we are, why would the cops give that person anything to see except what they wanted him to see? They wouldn't...they shouldn't!

I for one believe that they are much closer to solving this mystery than we give them credit. Their elimination of the boyfriend and my son as a suspect tells me gobs about how much they must actually know. Coming days will prove me right or wrong, but I think they are close.--Cab Guy

 

[cluciano63]

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...s-moments-before-adrienne-salinas-disappeared

This article from last week, which indicates the cab driver and the BF as being cleared, also says LE is "desperate" for leads. I tend to believe that.

Are any searches happening, or planned? Lately there has not been a great deal of searching going on in a lot of MP cases. I know the chances of finding a person during an organized search are low, but it surprises me anyway.

 

[thref23]

so out of 32 calls to the bf phone...in 40 min the only txt that was sent said "I'm coming over"

Her cab has NOT even shown up and how does she KNOW she is on her way
at the ETA the cab driver gave?

Well if I am not mistaken she would have gotten off the phone with the cab driver around 4:40 after the 4:37 call. It isn't far fetched that she would have sent the text as she was leaving her house.

It might take her a few minutes to make final preparations. Or the cabbie gave her an ETA around 15 minutes - not too many other likely reasons for that call - maybe 4:43 is when she starts getting ready to leave. 4:47 was initially reported as the time she sent this text no? Anyways, depending where her apt was within the complex and how fast she walked should take 3-7 minutes to get to University/Hardy, which means it is her on surveillance at 4:52, or it is a coincidence.

Given potential implications of her having been there at 4:52, I would understand if her father did not want to acknowledge. If no one saw her leave the apartment - doesn't necessarily mean anything maybe folks have left and roommates are in their bedroom, maybe everyone left over is in a room smoking a bowl - it could even mean she went so far as to try and disguise herself to avoid attention.

So can Cab Guy verify that the cabbie was at the northeast corner of the intersection from 4:53-4:54, and can it be verified that the cab was not the vehicle driving through the O'reilly's lot, which would have potentially been driving from where Adrienne likely was to the AM/PM, where we know the cabbie eventually was? Whatever reason Adrienne would have had to cut through the O'Reilly's lot - predetermined location, cop avoidance, or she was thinking more clearly than many give her credit for and wanted to make sure a cab in a parking lot was her cab - the 4:53 call means the cabbie could have known her exact location.

Obviously police don't feel comfortable making an arrest, and given that it is good that they have publicly given the cabbie the benefit of the doubt to get the public off his back. Although everything I read sourced from LE says 'no one has been ruled out' and the cabbie and bf have simply been cleared as suspects 'at this point.' Just saying...

 

[gatorgirl2012]

Hey Everyone. I've been a member on here for almost a year, but I'm just now chiming in on this story after following the posts for a few days. I think with this case the most simple answer might be the right one. Unfortunately I have a feeling that she may have been kidnapped and trafficked, being so close to the border. I hope I'm wrong but that's what my gut has been telling me.

 

[SandSage]

Take it from me, the police always know much more about a missing person's case than the general public. This is the way it should be. There is little reason or motivation for them to release anything more than they feel is necessary. If there is a crime here--and I believe there is--you can be sure that the guilty party is watching the news and web as much as we are, why would the cops give that person anything to see except what they wanted him to see? They wouldn't...they shouldn't!

I for one believe that they are much closer to solving this mystery than we give them credit. Their elimination of the boyfriend and my son as a suspect tells me gobs about how much they must actually know. Coming days will prove me right or wrong, but I think they are close.--Cab Guy

Lurk mode / OFF

I agree with you. I'd also like to take a moment to say, "thank you". You definitely don't have to be here, responding to anything. Clearly your legal counsel has give you the okay and since your son has been cleared, you don't have anything to gain from providing your insight other than what we all have to gain here: to find Adrienne / justice for Adrienne.

In my opinion it takes real 'cahones' to expose yourself here because you leave yourself wide open to those who remain suspicious to continue with slander and things you "wouldn't talk about at the dinner table" and I think that is courageous.

Your input is appreciated, sir.

That is all.

Lurke mode / ON

 

[SandSage]

Hey Everyone. I've been a member on here for almost a year, but I'm just now chiming in on this story after following the posts for a few days. I think with this case the most simple answer might be the right one. Unfortunately I have a feeling that she may have been kidnapped and trafficked, being so close to the border. I hope I'm wrong but that's what my gut has been telling me.

That is my every-other-thought.

 

[cab guy]

I took a walk yesterday from her apartment at 812 E Brown Ave to the AM PM....it was mid-morning, sun was shining bright, cars everywhere, and even at that time, I ran into several people wanting to borrow money, an empty beer can near the sidewalk, two pair of white gym socks hanging to dry behind an electrical box, and a guy wanting to bum a cigarette. It was an interesting walk....if there's all that sketchy activity under the bright light of the day, what's it like at between 4:23am to 5:08am? Random abduction? Very possible.--Cab Guy

Just trying to go over a few things in my head and get my thoughts together.

Personally, I don't think Douglas Ray George had anything to do with this case. I think it's an unfortunate and tragic coincidence.

I think it was her who made the phone calls to the cabbie. She was calling her boyfriend on and off the whole time too and if it was someone else, what were they expecting to happen if he answered? He'd have to be in on it too, and LE said he isn't.

Today I think I'm leaning towards random abduction when her guard was down.

 

[gngr~snap]

Exactly. Replacing her items lessens the suspicion of foul play.

It also makes it look like she was moving about on her own before calling a cab.

So after 4 am up until 5 am, AS is calling/texting bf and either arranging a ride to go to the AMPM from a party guest in her apartment or she is walking it herself.

There's no video surveillance along that very short period of time within a very small geographic region?

Where's the 13 or so others that were at the party and why haven't they been interviewed? Anyone paying special attention to AS at the party or anything that stands out?

Can her cellphone be pinged to the exact location?

Do we have any recording of her calling the cab company or at least an impression of her demeanor during that call by the cabbie?

Did AS leave a voicemail on bf's phone (32 attempted contacts/texts/voicemails) indicating she was bringing over items from AMPM?

Did AS talk to bf about anyone that creeped her out that night?

Is LE still investigating by questioning the partygoers some more?

Just speculating....

IMO the most recent timeline released may be based on cell phone activity
logs and witness statements, but I think they have some times locked in more accurately now.

Her interactions with the boyfriend and the fact that she was trying to distance herself from him and the repeated calls wanting to get back to him don't make sense.

The only red flag I see is Adrienne being out, alone, on foot, at 5:00am. Nothing good is going to happen.

My red flags are
her asking the bf to leave, the fact that she then went with him only to try to leave on foot once at his place and jumping out of his car on foot again.
* I'm not saying he attacked her but that warning "never get in a car with your attacker"... you are safer staying where you are than being led to a second location.

* and the number of calls made to his cell
makes me think that perhaps she may have thrown it from his car and he was using her cell to find his.
(I am certain LE knows whether his phone was pinging in Tempe or Scotsdale)
All MOO....
I still can't get past the gnawing feeling that something tragic happened to her that night between 2:30am and 3:22am.
That AS was not the female driving her car,making calls to his cell or the female that called for a cab.
I do question if that female was the one seen on video and mistaken for AS.
I am not faulting anyone...

Just one of a few theories I have.
DR George is another
as well as a victim of opportunity by some random person...

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Take it from me, the police always know much more about a missing person's case than the general public. This is the way it should be. There is little reason or motivation for them to release anything more than they feel is necessary. If there is a crime here--and I believe there is--you can be sure that the guilty party is watching the news and web as much as we are, why would the cops give that person anything to see except what they wanted him to see? They wouldn't...they shouldn't!

I for one believe that they are much closer to solving this mystery than we give them credit. Their elimination of the boyfriend and my son as a suspect tells me gobs about how much they must actually know. Coming days will prove me right or wrong, but I think they are close.--Cab Guy

Cab guy I pray you are right that they are close. It feels that way to me as well.

All we can do is stick together here and help each other understand this tragedy better with the info given to us by LE and credible sources only.

We are doing a great service to Adrienne and all victims involved in this case by keeping the word out there so that people know we care and will not stop caring until AS is found - and will not stop paying attention until whoever could be responsible is apprehended and judged according to his/her actions!

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I took a walk yesterday from her apartment at 812 E Brown Ave to the AM PM....it was mid-morning, sun was shining bright, cars everywhere, and even at that time, I ran into several people wanting to borrow money, an empty beer can near the sidewalk, two pair of white gym socks hanging to dry behind an electrical box, and a guy wanting to bum a cigarette. It was an interesting walk....if there's all that sketchy activity under the bright light of the day, what's it like at between 4:23am to 5:08am? Random abduction? Very possible.--Cab Guy

Yeah Tempe at night time is like a David Lynch film as far as the transient characters you run into. Wow you are taking me right back to that area that I frequented in my youth with your description here.

And there are so many seedy characters like drug dealers that run around Tempe on the weekends to try and sell "stuff" to parties.

 

[cluciano63]

I doubt she was taken for trafficking. Seems an unlikely time to expect to find lone victims, the bus station is a good place for that, IMO. If she was taken by a stranger, I think she was a victim like Mickey, of a sex predator. Her murderer was looking for an escort at the time he came across Mickey.

 

[thref23]

Yeah Tempe at night time is like a David Lynch film as far as the transient characters you run into. Wow you are taking me right back to that area that I frequented in my youth with your description here.

And there are so many seedy characters like drug dealers that run around Tempe on the weekends to try and sell "stuff" to parties.

Sure. But 5 am is different than 1-3 am, and for all of those seedy characters out on a weekly and nightly basis, how missing persons cases, in this vein, have occurred over the past 10+ years? Most are harmless and the ones who aren't usually aren't people to be scared of particularly if they are a random character and no one you are involved with. I'm not saying a random abduction/kidnapping/etc would be out of the question by any means, but I'm just saying...

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I doubt she was taken for trafficking. Seems an unlikely time to expect to find lone victims, the bus station is a good place for that, IMO. If she was taken by a stranger, I think she was a victim like Mickey, of a sex predator. Her murderer was looking for an escort at the time he came across Mickey.

There have been human trafficking cases fairly recently in Tempe where victims are abducted at bus stops.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Sure. But 5 am is different than 1-3 am, and for all of those seedy characters out on a weekly and nightly basis, how missing persons cases, in this vein, have occurred over the past 10+ years? Most are harmless and the ones who aren't usually aren't people to be scared of particularly if they are a random character and no one you are involved with. I'm not saying a random abduction/kidnapping/etc would be out of the question by any means, but I'm just saying...

In Tempe on a weekend, parties and dealings last "til the birds chirp". Do you live in Tempe? It's a very different town to say the least.

 

[thref23]

In Tempe on a weekend, parties and dealings last "til the birds chirp". Do you live in Tempe? It's a very different town to say the least.

I live in Tempe and have lived in or around Tempe for awhile. I only have so much to compare it to. But yes parties will last late particularly if they are service industry parties (i.e. out of the movie Waiting) in which event co-workers won't necessarily be getting off work til after 2.

 

[cab guy]

Lurk mode / OFF

I agree with you. I'd also like to take a moment to say, "thank you". You definitely don't have to be here, responding to anything. Clearly your legal counsel has give you the okay and since your son has been cleared, you don't have anything to gain from providing your insight other than what we all have to gain here: to find Adrienne / justice for Adrienne.

In my opinion it takes real 'cahones' to expose yourself here because you leave yourself wide open to those who remain suspicious to continue with slander and things you "wouldn't talk about at the dinner table" and I think that is courageous.

Your input is appreciated, sir.

That is all.

Lurke mode / ON

This young girl and her return home is far more important than any single one of us. When evil raises its ugly head in a community, it is the responsibility of every community member to raise up and literally beat it down with goodness, bravery, and a determination to see that it does not triumph. If there is a crime here, I believe the person responsible will be caught and will be brought to justice. I am not naive, many of you know that, however, I say with confidence, that in this case, I feel, the community will win.--Cab Guy

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I live in Tempe and have lived in or around Tempe for awhile. I only have so much to compare it to. But yes parties will last late particularly if they are service industry parties (i.e. out of the movie Waiting) in which event co-workers won't necessarily be getting off work til after 2.

Yay please share more! It's good to have ppl here from Tempe like you and cab guy to help give everyone a general idea of the town. Thank you

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

In the questionable surveillance video released by LE, everyone was confused as to why Adrienne would be walking on the opposite side of the street from the AMPM. I've been worried if it was her (most likely isn't) that she didn't want to walk on the east side of the street bc that's where that park was.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

And SandSage! Sand is fairly local too! Sorry Sand, didn't mean to leave ya out. Cab guy, you, and thref are most important in being our on ground eyes and ears. Thank you all!

 

[cab guy]

I'm uploading the video now of that 15 minute walk I took yesterday from AS's apartment to AM PM....boarded up houses (O3:35 from her house, corner 5th and Hardy), beer can sitting on grass near utility box (05:31 near park), empty lots near bus stop (04:42), gym socks hanging to dry behind utility box at O'Reilly's (11:42). This area changes from seedy in the day to grimy at night.--Cab Guy