AZ AZ - Chelsea Grimm, 32, traveling from San Diego CA to CT, car found Oct 5 on Forest Rd 6 near Williams, she was last seen in Williams, 28 Sep 2023

[tarabull]

Speaking of elk...FWIW

Woman trampled to death becomes first to die from elk attack in Arizona after apparently trying to feed the animal

A woman who was attacked by an elk last month has died of her injuries after being trampled by the animal after apparently trying to feed it, officials said.

abcnews.go.com

 

[10ofRods]

The only thing I know about King Og (from the Bible passage that CG was apparently reading) is that people use passages about him to establish that there was once a race of Giants. It's a really popular "crossover" story between the Old Testament and other traditions (the Giants of the British Isles; other Biblical Giants, like Goliath, etc). It's popular in New Age reading (to mention that the Bible clearly states there used to be giants; and in the UFO communities, sometimes people then make the further leap to aliens/extra-terrestrials - don't laugh, these are serious beliefs for some people).

What's interesting is that Og is mentioned in two different parts of the traditional Old Testament, thought to be written at different times. If one counts the apocrypha as part of the Bible then:

Og the king of Bashan is named twenty-two times in the Bible across six different biblical books.

Who is Og King of Bashan?

Og the king of Bashan is named twenty-two times in the Bible across six different biblical books. He is also a giant. Who is Og?

ca.thegospelcoalition.org

Interestingly, nearby Sedona is a key center of Og studies, based on the books about giants and Og that one finds there. Native Americans also had myths/legends about Giants - so Theosophists and Geosophists use those passages in their work. It makes me wonder if CG was continually try to study more about belief systems, and may have thought herself to be on a spiritual path.

Just pondering - trying to understand what she might have been doing, from her own point of view.

IMO

 

[UrsulaWrenn]

It makes me wonder if CG was continually try to study more about belief systems, and may have thought herself to be on a spiritual path.

My intuition interprets her behavior as some kind of search for a new meaning or a new path or a new leaf. I don't think she was suicidal or beyond caring; rather I think she was just questioning her current story arc and wondering if it was time to begin writing a new book.

 

[10ofRods]

My intuition interprets her behavior as some kind of search for a new meaning or a new path or a new leaf. I don't think she was suicidal or beyond caring; rather I think she was just questioning her current story arc and wondering if it was time to begin writing a new book.

I tend to agree with you - although her book writing ought not to have endangered her life, IMO. Many a person with mental health issues has written books (I have an entire bookcase of them and have followed the careers of people like Kay Redfield Jamison closely, along with many others).

One can question their current story without going missing, invoking national resources on behalf of being found, using up tons of LE time and worrying their family.

The last part of what you write makes me think of Sherri Papini (Sp?) or Sheryl Powell. They went missing, made up a story about it, got some attention for it (fell short of publishing - like CG, they were self-published, at best).

CG was/is facing the loss of her LCSW license in California if she doesn't refile on time. She risked her pet lizard. This goes beyond personal expression of creativity, IMO. People are being questioned by LE, that's not comfortable. Past associates are scrutinized.

Even if she is determined to be some kind of author, she is still behaving in ways that are bringing her into contact with LE, making her parents issue public statements about her mental health, and using up search resources.

I think there are mental health issues, if she thinks being an author makes it okay to do those things (I suspect she feels she has no choice; this is not a writing holiday, IMO).

 

[Coolcamino]

Could the bearded dragon have a chip in it like we put in our dogs to find them when they're lost? Perhaps someone she was afraid of could track her that way? MOO
Or her current location could be identified.

No

 

[MAHBOOBOO]

cemetery & calling the popo

More than a few years ago I stopped by a cemetery around 9 pm because a) my much beloved step dad was interred there, b) I was an overly emotional 25 y-o party animal seeking guidance, and c) i was heading to a friend's house and this just happened to be on the way.

No sooner had I parked my car; a security guard on a golf cart pulls up and is rather irate with me for being there after dark. Apparently this is "not allowed" and this is "something that people know" and he was "just about to lock the gates". So I apologize and I leave.

But I'm fairly certain that if I hadn't left, he would have called LE on me. Especially if it was delaying him in locking the gates and going home. I was profoundly surprised at how shocked and angry he was that I didn't know I wasn't supposed to visit there at night. There were no signs saying that on the grounds.

So maybe there was a security guard, or a caretaker, or just a nosey passerby that saw her there and they were so angry that she'd be there when "she should know better" that they called LE for just that reason alone.

 

[10ofRods]

cemetery & calling the popo

More than a few years ago I stopped by a cemetery around 9 pm because a) my much beloved step dad was interred there, b) I was an overly emotional 25 y-o party animal seeking guidance, and c) i was heading to a friend's house and this just happened to be on the way.

No sooner had I parked my car; a security guard on a golf cart pulls up and is rather irate with me for being there after dark. Apparently this is "not allowed" and this is "something that people know" and he was "just about to lock the gates". So I apologize and I leave.

But I'm fairly certain that if I hadn't left, he would have called LE on me. Especially if it was delaying him in locking the gates and going home. I was profoundly surprised at how shocked and angry he was that I didn't know I wasn't supposed to visit there at night. There were no signs saying that on the grounds.

So maybe there was a security guard, or a caretaker, or just a nosey passerby that saw her there and they were so angry that she'd be there when "she should know better" that they called LE for just that reason alone.

After pages of reading and trying to figure out times, I think you are onto the correct explanation. CG even says to the officer, "I didn't mean to be here at dusk" or whatever she said along those lines. I figure that like nearly every cemetery I've ever visited, there are hours when it's open and many say "Closes at dusk," permitting LE a liberal interpretation, but probably prompting calls from others who felt it was dusk and that they had to leave - and saw one person remaining.

IMO.

 

[SophieRose]

Have we read anywhere that Chelsea has experience camping/backpacking? Solo?

Calif. Woman, 32, Goes Missing on Cross-Country Road Trip, Car Found Abandoned with 2 Flat Tires

Authorities in Arizona are looking for Chelsea Grimm, a California woman who disappeared more than two weeks ago while traveling solo across the country

people.com

Though Grimm does have experience with camping, her father said she hasn’t done much of it since she was a teenager. “It was a little unusual,” he said about his daughter’s plan.

 

[borndem]

Such good and thoughtful posts. Seems that she could be almost anywhere in who-knows-what condition.
Where is she? Did she meet with disaster, or is she still in hiding and okay? Does she have cash or cards or a friend with whom she is staying?

 

[SophieRose]

It's the extremes of emotion that flags for me more than the subject matter. Most people find graves of strangers a melancholy thing, but the floods of tears, it's like there's no filter. And she'd obviously been acting oddly for a while, for someone to notice and be concerned enough for a call to be made and the cop to actually come. No one thinks a person shedding a few tears at a cemetery strange. They wouldn't call the police for that. That tells me her behaviour was very odd indeed.

MOO

Who did call LE? She's parked right outside the cemetery on Rte 66, not inside it. There's not much around it but a motel. Did someone or the manager from the motel call police?

And I've wondered what are lost soldiers? Are they military that actually died in wars? Looking at the stones, lots were in wars but didn't die in them.

Calif. Woman, 32, Goes Missing on Cross-Country Road Trip, Car Found Abandoned with 2 Flat Tires

Authorities in Arizona are looking for Chelsea Grimm, a California woman who disappeared more than two weeks ago while traveling solo across the country

people.com

“I just was doing a photo shoot of the lost soldiers and got a little emotional, so I was crying before I got back on the road,” Grimm told the officer, per the footage.

 

[UrsulaWrenn]

And I've wondered what are lost soldiers? Are they military that actually died in wars? Looking at the stones, lots were in wars but didn't die in them.

Lost soldiers, or missing in action (MIA), are combatants, military chaplains, combat medics, and prisoners of war who are reported missing during wartime or ceasefire. They may have been: Killed, Wounded, Captured, Executed, Deserted.

 

[HockeyMomDiva]

Another bearded dragon owner here…. My question is what items related to the dragon were found in the car? They have very specific needs as far as habitat, lighting, and food. I couldn’t imagine taking my boy on such a trip without proper provisions.

 

[Protectwomenandgirls]

The only thing I know about King Og (from the Bible passage that CG was apparently reading) is that people use passages about him to establish that there was once a race of Giants. It's a really popular "crossover" story between the Old Testament and other traditions (the Giants of the British Isles; other Biblical Giants, like Goliath, etc). It's popular in New Age reading (to mention that the Bible clearly states there used to be giants; and in the UFO communities, sometimes people then make the further leap to aliens/extra-terrestrials - don't laugh, these are serious beliefs for some people).

What's interesting is that Og is mentioned in two different parts of the traditional Old Testament, thought to be written at different times. If one counts the apocrypha as part of the Bible then:

Who is Og King of Bashan?

Og the king of Bashan is named twenty-two times in the Bible across six different biblical books. He is also a giant. Who is Og?

ca.thegospelcoalition.org

Interestingly, nearby Sedona is a key center of Og studies, based on the books about giants and Og that one finds there. Native Americans also had myths/legends about Giants - so Theosophists and Geosophists use those passages in their work. It makes me wonder if CG was continually try to study more about belief systems, and may have thought herself to be on a spiritual path.

Just pondering - trying to understand what she might have been doing, from her own point of view.

IMO

If she was immersed this deeply in New Age spirituality maybe she came across a local community of fellow enthusiasts?
This still doesn't explain to me why she wouldn't retrieve her car and why she's not leaving a financial trail, but maybe she purposely isn't leaving a trace?

Is there any evidence of people with these beliefs trying to hide, off the grid? It seems like they would feel like mainstream people couldn't understand and/or wouldn't accept their beliefs. Maybe they would feel threatened by mainstream society and try to isolate? Would they encourage newcomers to isolate with them?

I grew up in an area with fundamentalist religion, so this kind of stuff really scares me

 

[Protectwomenandgirls]

***THE VIDEOS ARE NOT DISABLED IF YOU CLICK ON THEM***

I just came across these on You Tube...there isnt a whole lot of much but it does show the bodycam from when LE was looking at her car at night. I know it was said she took some stuff with her or that that they knew was missing from the car but it looks like a significant amount of the items are no longer there compared to her IG reel when she did the pano and the passenger seat and entire back seat was filled with belongings...certainly enough missing for one person to carry IMO but hard to tell.

10/6

There is also another bodycam that shows LE is searching area and collecting some evidential photos. It appears some clothes are hanging from a tree so again not a lot but also gives you an idea of the terrain in the daylight.

10/7

This is the bodycam of LE speaking with a hunter who said he saw the clothes and thought it was weird to just be hanging on the tree and that it was Forever 21 size small checked pockets, says he heard blaring music for 10 mins and then it stopped and he figured it was some druggies. Then goes on to talk about cell phone reception and tracking and that he was talking to a lawyer the other day asking if records were admissible in court like his google coordinates or sent emails could they use that or something along those lines, dont think its anything suspect but just a funny/ironic thing to be mentioning to LE when you were in an area the same as a missing woman but we do know a lot of times people insert themselves.

10/7

Latest one is of the woodcutter who stopped and spoke with her. Said he saw her car there noon in middle of the road and then when they were coming back down after 5pm and the car was still there with her in it him and his friend checked on her to see if she was ok. He said she said she was fine, just taking photos and that they just missed a beautiful sunset. He said it started to rain and so they left, mentioned it was the last of the hunting season so he thought maybe her husband was hunting and she had just been waiting in the car. When asked if he noticed tires he said no but that he thought he would have and when asked if she seemed coherent he said yes just a little eccentric.

10/12 *NEW* Bodycam Police Speak with Woodcutter Near Chelsea Grimm's Abandoned SUV Kaibab National Forest

So not too much more info from any of these either, at least that stood out to me as significant IMO but just thought I'd post in case someone wanted to see the car, the area and footage. If anyone notices something I missed as I didnt pay the closest attention feel free to point it out.

BIG thank you for this!
Things that stuck out...

Hunter video:
-Officer mentions damage to car
-Not understanding what officer means when he says "that's a long way to go with juniper pine in your car from the 124"? (10:00 into video)
-Officer is looking for white body moulding from car (14:00)
-Officer asking about Underarmour clothing tag (15:00)

Woodcutter video:
-"didn't seem distraught or disoriented...very friendly" (5:00)
-companion is ex law enforcement, that mostly talked to her (7:00)
-there were other ppl present...a truck at the intersection...2-3 other hunters...4 vehicles...had to have seen her" (8:00)
-Officer says she had "an argument with her parents"
-2 flat tires

 

[iamshadow21]

BIG thank you for this!
Things that stuck out...

Last video:
-Officer mentioned front end damage to car, looking for car parts?
-Not understanding what officer means when he says "that's a long way to go with juniper pine in your car from the 124"?! (10:00 into video)

Maybe she hit a pine and drive a long distance with it stuck in there... perhaps there are no juniper pines where the car was left, so it only could have been collected by the car some distance away.

MOO

 

[Protectwomenandgirls]

Maybe she hit a pine and drive a long distance with it stuck in there... perhaps there are no juniper pines where the car was left, so it only could have been collected by the car some distance away.

MOO

This is what I gathered too, seems very concerning re her state at the time

 

[iamshadow21]

This is what I gathered too, seems very concerning re her state at the time

It makes me more convinced that her perception of reality was very distorted. Who of us would knowingly drive a car around with bits of tree stuck in it? At the very least, it would probably make an annoying noise against the body of the car, and we'd pull over and yank it out. Why wouldn't we know we'd had an accident, if only a minor one? The most common reason is severe intoxication, but there's been no real indications that she was doing that level of drugs or alcohol. The cop who talked to her at the cemetery found out from her that she'd smoked some hours earlier, but said she didn't seem intoxicated.

MOO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Another bearded dragon owner here…. My question is what items related to the dragon were found in the car? They have very specific needs as far as habitat, lighting, and food. I couldn’t imagine taking my boy on such a trip without proper provisions.

Thanks for this.... I have been waiting for information on the ease or lack there of with travelling with one.

Is it relatively easy to ask others to tend to one, while gone?
I guess I have just always wondered WHY she transported it.

 

[ifindedout]

BIG thank you for this!
Things that stuck out...

Hunter video:
-Officer mentions damage to car
-Not understanding what officer means when he says "that's a long way to go with juniper pine in your car from the 124"? (10:00 into video)

SBM
Forest Service Route 124, also marked on maps as Double A Ranch Road, leads directly back to Ash Fork. It crosses FS 6 here:

Google Maps

Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.

www.google.com

 

[UrsulaWrenn]

Maybe she hit a pine and drive a long distance with it stuck in there... perhaps there are no juniper pines where the car was left, so it only could have been collected by the car some distance away.

MOO

This is what I gathered too, seems very concerning re her state at the time

I once ran over an orange traffic cone and it became stuck between my tire and wheel well wall. I didn't even know it was there. Someone pointed it out to me when I parked, and I had to call my husband to help get it dislodged. If it had been something that could cause a flat, I can see how she might have been a few miles up the road from where she hit it before she knew she had a problem.