AZ AZ - Chelsea Grimm, 32, traveling from San Diego CA to CT, car found Oct 5 on Forest Rd 6 near Williams, she was last seen in Williams, 28 Sep 2023

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so the image isn't incredibly clear, but can anyone hazard a guess as to whether Chelsea's car is in the same spot between the time of the "photo with flowers" and the LE body cam video?

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Photo of flowers from FB Coconino County post, screenshot from YouTube video news report.

When did she get two flat tires? I am assuming that if she had two flats, she would have to tow it (Generously assuming if she had a spare tire, which is quite rare these days, would still be one tire short.)
And believe me, you don't want to drive in such terrain with a donut. Except to somewhere like Love's. And once there, I would get 4 new ones made for that environment, not the ones like those in the showroom.
If she already had two flat tires by the time of the LE body cam footage, I find it very strange that she didn't mention it.
This too.
 
why?
sorry for so many why questions ... I'm just curious because I don't find any if the things weird that others have said they do in this thread
Being a social worker is a profession that necessitated compassion and a desire to help others. That’s hard to do when one hates most people.

Walking around barefoot where there are ticks, rattlesnakes, thorns, etc., is a bit eccentric.

Taking a photo and posting it of a bunch of missing children while on a trip is not necessarily weird but it is morbid, doesn’t seem to have a point (as it was too far away for their faces to be clearly seen, IIRC) and it’s oddly coincidental.

This sort of reminds me of the case a few years back when a woman disappeared in a state park somewhere in the desert. She came back out eventually. Made up a story, IMO but I think she was camping and hiding out in the park for some reason.

That would be a best case scenario here so I sort of hope something like that is going on. Rather than the horrible alternatives.
 
How often do people go to cemeteries, though? I would think a crying woman at a cemetery was someone who had a connection to a person in the cemetery and not think anything of it - barefoot or not. I would hope they were finding needed comfort.

And some of us take our shoes off every chance we get (many reasons, I think, but one of mine is foot comfort - I've been doing physical therapy for foot and ankle problems since I was three - all of them are done barefoot, so when I travel, I'm barefoot in any area I can be...in general, that has to be in some natural spot - not on asphalt or concrete or sidewalks).

A cemetery is an okay place to be barefoot, I think. I also have some moccasin-like shoes that allow me to do my foot exercises almost anywhere, but I prefer doing them barefoot as there's one exercise that can only be done with bare toes.

My dad was a WW2 vet and the moccasins were his idea, when we were traveling. I actually got my first pair in Arizona. Now I just wear flip-flops (my parents believed one ought not to drive with flip-flops, but I do it all the time, so far, so good).

I admit you don't see barefoot people in public or by roadsides/cemeteries much, but when I do, I don't think much about it. It's more common here in SoCal than one might think. People who do a lot of camping tend to be more comfortable barefoot in various places.

It's the part about trying to exchange Euros that bothers me. Fugue state? Mania? Severe depression? Disassociation? Other?


IMO
I saw a picture of where she was barefoot. Heavily weeded side of the road. Not grass. Not a pathway. It looked like the type of place that’s full of ticks.
 
It kind of seems like with her leisurely drive times from the get-go that maybe she never intended to go to the wedding unless it was still several days in the future (do we know what date the wedding was?) Could it be she didn't really *want* to go to the wedding but was feeling pressured to go, so she says "OK I'll go and make a trip of it and drive there" but in her heart, knows she will come up with an excuse to not make it?

It does seem like *something* may have happened or occurred to her on/around the 28 since she canceled plans with a friend she had just seen and also it's the day of the weird interaction at the hotel and also the day she was contacted by the cop.

What's the condition of the dirt road her car was found on? Some dirt back roads are rutted out and people are warned about flat tires. Since they were both on the right side of the car, maybe she accidentally drove through or hit a huge pot hole on that side of the car causing them to go flat.
 

I thought this July 14 post was um, rather interesting (foreshadowing)?

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Have to also say that the Euros thing really bothers me too - who carries Euros when traveling in the US? Or did she have plans to go elsewhere? Her FB shows "Went to Southern France Youth Institute" - were these leftover from prior travel?
 
I thought this July 14 post was um, rather interesting (foreshadowing)?

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Have to also say that the Euros thing really bothers me too - who carries Euros when traveling in the US? Or did she have plans to go elsewhere? Her FB shows "Went to Southern France Youth Institute" - were these leftover from prior travel?
I’m sure I have a post like that somewhere on my FB. I like it, doesn’t mean I’d actually do it!
 
I thought this July 14 post was um, rather interesting (foreshadowing)?

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The quote is from singer-songwriter Jack White, formerly of The White Stripes (#11 in the link below).
 
Being a social worker is a profession that necessitated compassion and a desire to help others. That’s hard to do when one hates most people.

Walking around barefoot where there are ticks, rattlesnakes, thorns, etc., is a bit eccentric.

Taking a photo and posting it of a bunch of missing children while on a trip is not necessarily weird but it is morbid, doesn’t seem to have a point (as it was too far away for their faces to be clearly seen, IIRC) and it’s oddly coincidental.

This sort of reminds me of the case a few years back when a woman disappeared in a state park somewhere in the desert. She came back out eventually. Made up a story, IMO but I think she was camping and hiding out in the park for some reason.

That would be a best case scenario here so I sort of hope something like that is going on. Rather than the horrible alternatives.

That was in Zion. The search for her went on for a few days, and then she was found not far from a trail, having gone off into a little wood, near a stream, and simply camped there. To be alone. She had mental health issues, IIRC.

I see a lot of red flags about CG's mental health. Visiting the cemetery and feeling so moved. Trying to use Euros to pay for an American motel. Pulling herself together when talking to authorities, but otherwise moving aimlessly around Northern Arizona when the initial purpose of the trip was to go cross country to visit family and go to a wedding. Abandoning her car.

I've seen clusters of behavior like this before, and in one case, the person was officially diagnosed as bipolar. She was visiting cemeteries in the Bay Area, tried to use inappropriate documents to board a plane, could be coherent for brief periods, but had actually flown cross country from Texas to California (to visit grandparents, she told the police when she was apprehended at the airport for attempting to use improper documents to get through security). The grandparents had died a decade before. She also tried to convince me that the documents she had (her grandparents' death certificates) were actually plane tickets. I know these sound like minor weirdnesses, but the total picture was definitely one of acute mental illness.

So I wonder. In another case, in Mexico, a young American woman was traveling without companions throughout Southern Mexico and her habit was to accept invitations for rides or lodging from anyone who offered. I was so scared for her. But I was helpless to stop her, and watched her get off a bus with complete strangers (to go stay at their house).

It's possible that CG was noticed by some kind person and offered a ride somewhere (complete with Dragon) and merely forgot her phone. It's also possible that someone offered her a place to stay - it happens. So I too am optimistic that she'll resurface. If her plan was to try and dry camp out that way, though, then I have deep worries.

The part about hating humans is something a burned out social worker or other caregiver might say, especially those on the front lines of visiting homes where children have been abused. Come to think of it, everyone I know who became a social worker back when we were in our twenties and thirties...quit after 5-10 years. We're seeing the same phenom among teachers in many places, too. It's so sad, because both groups felt called to help people - but it's so hard to see what goes on out there.

All speculation of course.
 
Not easy at all. They need a hot and cool side to bask in, certainly won't get that in a vehicle or out in the outdoors.

I was wondering about that too (and adding it to Gitana's list of eccentric behaviors). I can't imagine trying to meet the needs of an exotic lizard while traveling cross country in a car. OTOH, I do know one person who has road tripped with a couple of snakes (!)

He was a grad student in clinical psychology and he used the snakes as "comfort creatures" for teen patients in a kind of experimental therapy project (which actually went really well). Former Goth kids (both this young man and his patients).

He brought them to his grandfather's funeral, actually. I should check in on how he's doing these days. It's always hard to know when eccentricities are actually part of a larger, less healthy pattern. In this case, I worry about CG's ability to properly look after herself.

IMO
 
Have to also say that the Euros thing really bothers me too - who carries Euros when traveling in the US? Or did she have plans to go elsewhere? Her FB shows "Went to Southern France Youth Institute" - were these leftover from prior travel?
SBBM
The SFYI was an alternative school for late teens/early young adults.
The Southern France Youth Institute, Inc. (SFYI) is a relatively new coed program for a maximum of 10 students per semester, ages 16-20, and either in the 11th or 12th grade of high school, seeking a semester abroad or taking a year off between high school and college. The campus is located in the historical village of Villeseque de Corbieres in the heart of the Cathare or castle country region of Southern France.

It closed in 2013 after its founder and director became seriously ill.
ETA: village is spelled Villeseque des Corbieres (Villesèque-des-Corbières).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villes%C3%A8que-des-Corbi%C3%A8res
 
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I'm very concerned for this young woman.

In reading through this thread in its entirety, I'm getting Sheridan Wahl or Erin Valenti vibes (both have threads here). Both women were taking trips in their cars, had reports of disorientation and confusion, spoke with law-enforcement or others, in varying states of lucidity. Both were noted to have had mental health issues. Both were found deceased, albeit under different circumstances but neither of which were foul play.

Foul play of course, is always on the table for a vulnerable woman in a remote area.

I'm hoping, however, that this has the outcome of the other case that was referenced, that of the woman who voluntarily went missing in Zion.

So many possibilities, so few answers.
 

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