AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #14

[STEADFAST]

We've gone through all the sources multiple times, and it currently stands at the babysitter at the hotel on Dec 23.

Eliz contacted the babysitter to ask her to babysit sometime on Dec 19, 20, or 21.

The babysitter Analisa says it was the 19th or 20th.

GRACE: At 11:45 in the morning. And you believe this was the 20th, the 19th or 20th?

ANALISA: Yes, I do.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/14/ng.01.html

However, the housekeeper said it was the 23rd:

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The person that she saw on the news is not the person that was in the room with the baby. The person in the room was a Hispanic girl, and she told her she was baby-sitting. The housekeeper had asked if she could touch the baby, and she said, No, I`m not allowed to let anybody in the room (INAUDIBLE) You know, Just give me towels, and you can`t come in.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That was on the 23rd of December. On the 26th, housekeepers thought Johnson had left and found the room full of personal items, including a baby blanket.http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1001/14/ng.01.html

It's not beyond the realm of possibility that EJ hired two different babysitters, Analisa on the 19th or 20th and someone else we don't know of on the 23rd.

 

[Kamille]

I read 20th or 21st in one report too. Now that you mention it, I do remember it being reported they were seen in a park, early on. Lots of misinformation out there, IMO

How could the babysitter not at least know what day of the week she was there? Is her life so boring that she doesn't even know what day it is on any givin day? It couldn't have been the 20th because EJ wouldn't even have been checked in by then I would think so if it really had to be one of those day I it would think it would have to be the 21st. But on NG, someone was told by housekeeping that they saw the hispanic girl in the room on the 23rd. LE must want to bang their heads on a wall while trying to investigate sometimes. :banghead:

 

[JustSomeGirl]

She might have gone to look at an apartment on Dec 23. She might have planned on paying for 5 days at a time until she got an apartment if paying in advance for 5 days gives you a discount on the room.

Or she might have planned from the beginning on only staying in SA for 5 days.

I've thought a lot about this and I can't come up with anything that indicates either way. It's a toss-up.

Possible I don't think it was an apartment she went to see she didn't have much money or a job. How could she afford security deposit plus rent. She had nothing. if she was tyring to set up life there why not place an ad on cl for a babysitter so she could go back to work like she did in az? TS said ej was planning on running forever I think that was the ONLY truth she told. I also don't think with the little money she had that she would pay in advance when she didn't know when she was leaving. That is a lot of money to potentially lose when you don't have a whole lot and are on the run IMO....unless money isn't an issue because you know you will get more ie adoption, TS ect. IMO

 

[mamaeb]

She would not be able to just walk in and plop down at a computer at the SAPL system. She would have given her ID (fake or real), creating a timestamp to match up with the issued computer, backed up by video more than likely.

Once in Sacramento... I was mid moving and needed to get online. I ended up with an understanding worker who gave me a card with the promise of coming back in with my license the next few days to verify my new card. Just saying... they might have slipped up. But ohhh I don't think so and hope not =)

 

[mydailyopinions]

She would not be able to just walk in and plop down at a computer at the SAPL system. She would have given her ID (fake or real), creating a timestamp to match up with the issued computer, backed up by video more than likely.

Not sure how other states work as far as access to the internet through public libraries..
Here in Georgia, we use a system called Georgia Pines. This connects all libraries through Georgia. I have an issued card that I obtained with my driver's license that has a bar code on it. Each time I visit the computer center, I have to allow them to scan the card, they then issue me a mouse and tell me how much time I have. Normally it is 2 hours unless they get busy..
With this card I can go into any public library in Georgia to use their computers.

ETA:
We are able to use the WIFI connection as well, but it is secured. I also have to allow them to scan my card for the password. I have only used it once but was told that the password changes every few hours..

 

[STEADFAST]

Getting your library card in person:

Stop by any San Antonio Public Library Location.
You need a photo ID and proof of current address – like your driver’s license.
If your photo ID does not include your current address, you can use something like a utility bill if it includes your current address.
Children under 18 may be issued cards if accompanied by a parent or guardian with a photo ID and proof of current address.
For those owning a business or property in Bexar County, a property tax record, an Assumed Name Certificate of Registration or a Sales Tax Permit may be used.
San Antonio City employees should present their city badge or a current paycheck stub.
Pre-register for your library card online:

To begin immediately using online services (like ‘live online tutoring’ or a magazine article database), fill out the online registration.
Then stop by any San Antonio Public Library location within 30 days, present your photo ID and proof of current address and pick up your library card.
A San Antonio Public Library card allows you to do more than just borrow books and other materials. From your home computer you can use your card to access the Library’s online resources, find magazine articles, research your family tree and even download free digital media – like audiobooks and music.

She probably used her fake i.d. I'm pretty sure she never expected to get caught and wouldn't think the i.d. would become associated with her. Not exactly a criminal mastermind.

 

[hoppyfrog]

Please do not post names of innocent parties, i.e. people not directly involved with this case.

Thanks for your help!

Hoppy
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[LuLa]

Here is a map and listing for all the public libraries in San Antonio.
http://www.mysapl.org/locations.aspx
Each library has a link along with a wonderful map at the bottom!

Do you think it's fairly ok to assume she went to one closest to where she was staying there?
And thanks for the link. The map is great, I agree!

 

[Melanie]

No activity, but why would TS start yet another FB page called:

Babygabe Homesafe

She's the only member. Odd...

 

[mamaeb]

I think you're right, in another one of your posts. Someone called in a tip of seeing EJ at the library. Makes sense to me.

Would LE already have information from Tammi's computer by now? Maybe they traced an IP back to the library, where EJ might have emailed her?

I wish they'd take the computers at Tammi's work too.

 

[mysticrose]

Well either that info came from TS computer or perhaps the babysitter's computer in regards to the libary being subpoena ....

 

[smart blonde]

This is what I believe...

I don't think Elizabeth has an altruistic bone in her body.

I do think she was toying with the idea of giving Gabriel up for adoption, in the beginning- but, even then, it wasn't so much because it would be the best thing for Gabriel, or to do something nice for a couple who couldn't have a baby of their own- no, she was toying with the idea of giving Gabriel up for adoption because she was lead to believe it would be easy, and because she liked the positive affirmations she was getting from other people (namely the Smiths). She liked the 'being commended' part of it.

After she arrived in San Antonio, it got too complicated for her. She became too frustrated. The whole 'adoption' thing was obviously not going to pan out the way she had imagined it might. She was told by (someone) on the phone that she needed to go back to Arizona to straighten everything out- that Logan was actively seeking custody of Gabriel.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. This entire series of events was started after Logan broke up with her. I believe she had a feeling the break-up was coming long before it did. She was in a seething rage because of it, not for days now, but for weeks.

Remember, previously, when she destroyed the apartment (took a knife to the furniture, cut up Logan's clothes, broke mirrors, smashed all the windows, bent the frying pan, etc.) it was allegedly because Logan was late coming home from work.

Logan coming home late was nothing compared to Logan ending their relationship.

How devastating that must have felt to Elizabeth, who has two dead parents - a drug addicted father, and an alcoholic mother- and who had been placed in five different foster homes.

It is easy to guess that Elizabeth probably suffered not only from attachment issues, but also from abandonment issues, and it's not too much of a stretch to believe that Logan breaking up with her was yet another blow to her emotional security.

Her hurt would have run deep. And, not having the emotional maturity or the coping skills to deal with this new 'abandonment', the emotional pain would have quickly manifested itself into rage. Rage, she is familiar with.

To then learn that not only was she not going to get Logan back, but that he also wanted to take the baby 'from her' (the baby she had already been threatening to put up for adoption to get his attention)- that would feel like another 'abandonment'.

There really is a thin line between love and hate.

~I could go on, but this is already getting too long. I believe she killed Gabriel, because she wanted Logan to hurt as much as she herself was hurting.

 

[mydailyopinions]

Do you think it's fairly ok to assume she went to one closest to where she was staying there?
And thanks for the link. The map is great, I agree!

I wish I knew. I am learning just how small my town is! We only have one public library!

If the libraries there were set up on the same system we are, it wouldn't be hard to locate which one..I am not sure how they do it in San Antonio though..

Crossing my fingers that LE already knows which one!

 

[b4e]

Once in Sacramento... I was mid moving and needed to get online. I ended up with an understanding worker who gave me a card with the promise of coming back in with my license the next few days to verify my new card. Just saying... they might have slipped up. But ohhh I don't think so and hope not =)

You got very lucky. Two years ago, when I was less than 24 hours from becoming homeless, I desperately needed to get online to find help. The librarian knew me but still would not/could not allow me on computer without a valid library card or picture ID. (My library card had long since expired and my ID had been misplaced.)

 

[mamaeb]

You got very lucky. Two years ago, when I was less than 24 hours from becoming homeless, I desperately needed to get online to find help. The librarian knew me but still would not/could not allow me on computer without a valid library card or picture ID. (My library card had long since expired and my ID had been misplaced.)

Oh wow. I guess I did.

 

[Amster]

Did they have the hearing, yet?

 

[LuLa]

No activity, but why would TS start yet another FB page called:

Babygabe Homesafe

She's the only member. Odd...

Yes, odd:waitasec:

 

[LuLa]

Did they have the hearing, yet?

I haven't heard, but I think it was an hour ago?

 

[captdj]

This is where I get confused. If Tammi was setting this up to get Gabriel herself, by sending EJ off to SA to wait it out, while trying to get Logan to sign papers, then what was all the comments from Tammi about "pray for Logan & his mommy" & her having formula & diapers from an underground service? How was that suppose to cover Tammi's tracks, if that's what she was doing? I understand Tammi stated the "underground" meant a shelter for abused women, etc...I keep getting confused around the time this plan may have failed.

where was EJ from Dec 18th until Dec 20-21 when she hired the babysitter?

BBM
In searching I did come across a shelter located behind the hotel about 2.? miles away.... I tried to find some connection to this shelter and Tammi and could not....I may need to revisit this thought....

 

[BeanE]

The babysitter Analisa says it was the 19th or 20th.


However, the housekeeper said it was the 23rd:


It's not beyond the realm of possibility that EJ hired two different babysitters, Analisa on the 19th or 20th and someone else we don't know of on the 23rd.

I know, Steadfast. I'm using Dec 23 for now. I don't think Dec 19/20/21 is possible.