AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #5

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G is H's Bio-mom? is that what [that forum we are not supposed to mention] is saying? I dont know for sure but if that is the case she is TS's daughter and why in HECK would TS end up with her I thought that G didn't even like TS >>>--->>>>


edited : out names...

Huh? I really doubt this is true -- The bio dad would have mentioned this, and He calls himself JDS' son in law, and not TS's son in law
In addition TS called the bio mom her step daughter

[sorry as I am trying to catch up I can't help but replying]
Seriously, that forum is full of s***
 
I had to go refresh my memory on this but I have been to Raymond Russell Park. Its not what I would call small child friendly. It does have pavillions for outdoor gatherings and quite a bit of wooded area. Its not an area where I would imagine that a lone couple would just happen to run into someone wanting to give their baby away (espcially not the day after Christmas) It seems like it would be very lonely . I do have the strong feeling that EJ was in that park though and if such a meeting did occur it was IMO planned.
 
Hi everybody, just finished all the prior posts since I was last on here. Geez, what a cast of characters! when they say truth is stranger than fiction, they ain't lyin'! No one could write a book with this much craziness.
Tammi - what the heck do you think you are doing? Playing Katie Couric? Interview??? That is self-serving bulls**t.
IMO she is racing to get to EJ so they can "get their stories straight" or have the conversation prompted by her before anyone else gets to her.
Fat chance. Everything is recorded. She is a POI! A POI certainly should not be talking to the perpetrator!
The sleaze factor of the Smiths is totally making me sick. They just keep "remembering" this or that, when they feel like it. They need to shut up and leave.
At this point, I don't really give a crap about colonics (no pun intended), real estate, mobile homes, court papers, ages of the players, etc.
All this info only serves to produce more confusion and backtracking, thus clouding the main issue - a child is missing here and quite possibly in imminent danger! The one who needs to step up to the plate is Elizabeth!
This woman has to talk and talk now, before it is too late. I have been asking in this forum about her having a lawyer for days, and still have no answer. Does she have a lawyer and has anyone heard anything about what she is using for her representation?
I would have thought lawyers would be jumping all over each other to get her as a client - publicity for a big media case, pro bono even.
At least in Casey A. case, Jose made press conferences, even if they were lame w/ little info. We have not heard a thing from EJ's side.
I may be jumping the gun, probably since she has been moved to AZ that process will start tomorrow. I can't stand that she stands there all smurking and sound like some wanna be valley girl in her little interview from FLA w/ Tammi-licious prodding her answers. She sure sounds like Casey, with her sarcasm and pat answers. A BABY IS MISSING! What is wrong with you girl?
Sorry all, that's my own frustrations showing. The longer no one talks, the farther Gabriel may be geographically and paper-trail wise, or God-forbid, the longer his poor little body is not being located and taken care of properly. But - that is what these players want. I hope LE has the ace up the sleeve for tomorrow.
I want to thank all of you - awesome job sleuthing, I want to be just like you when I grow up! I am constantly amazed how you all locate info, and I'm still trying to figure out how to screen shot -its written right in front of me by three different people, and I don't even know what they are talking about! Still a newbie here and learning.:blushing:

I agree with everything you said. For a screen shot, you should have a key on your keyboard that says "print screen" press that and then open up your paint program and then right click on the screen and hit "paste". There it is whatever you took a picture of. Save it before you close it if you want to keep it.
 
Susan B - I don't know if she has an attorney, all I know is that the Maricopa Co. inmate site still says Attorney: To Be Determined or something to that effect.
 
Amen! This is public record and easily viewed by the reporter.
Anything for ratings :(

That doesnt mean he really is the father though. He stipulated to being the father and apparently she allowed him to do it at that time. I believe he is the father and she is probably hoping he is not by some slight chance that she did sleep with someone else during that time frame.
 
I had to go refresh my memory on this but I have been to Raymond Russell Park. Its not what I would call small child friendly. It does have pavillions for outdoor gatherings and quite a bit of wooded area. Its not an area where I would imagine that a lone couple would just happen to run into someone wanting to give their baby away (espcially not the day after Christmas) It seems like it would be very lonely . I do have the strong feeling that EJ was in that park though and if such a meeting did occur it was IMO planned.

Thank you! I have always wondered why she went to a park in the first place; IMO it does not fit her character to go to some random park for outdoor gatherings
Was it close to the Motel 6 where she was staying? And yes, as you point out what are the chances of some couple looking for a baby just happening to be there at the same time?

IMO if Gabe is alive (I have to go with this scenario) then however the pass off was done, it was prearranged
 
its time to hit the bed just saving my place for tom


Im going to pray and ask my favorite uncle to please help us find gabe

My uncles name was gabe johnson, he passed away about 30 years ago
(no relation whatsoever)
that is why his case grabbed me when i heard the name
 
That doesnt mean he really is the father though. He stipulated to being the father and apparently she allowed him to do it at that time. I believe he is the father and she is probably hoping he is not by some slight chance that she did sleep with someone else during that time frame.

Since a court has made a ruling that Logan is legally the natural father of Gabriel, I believe that the reporter should have printed that detail in the same article that they mention EJ's filing that he might not be. If they ever prove that he isn't the father, then they should print that too. Just my opinion.

I understand that EJ's challenge is of a biological nature, and the courts ruling is of a legal nature based on facts present at the time, but I feel that a paper that decides to run one, should run the other.
 
Since a court has made a ruling that Logan is legally the natural father of Gabriel, I believe that the reporter should have printed that detail in the same article that they mention EJ's filing that he might not be. If they ever prove that he isn't the father, then they should print that too. Just my opinion.

I understand that EJ's challenge is of a biological nature, and the courts ruling is of a legal nature based on facts present at the time, but I feel that a paper that decides to run one, should run the other.

I totally agree with you. I also take offense at reporters that call Logan the "biological father", as if they think there was another father in Gabriel's life. But Logan lived with him, cared for him, supported him and loves his son very much. I wish they'd drop the "biological" and just call Logan what he is.. Gabriel's daddy.
 
Since a court has made a ruling that Logan is legally the natural father of Gabriel, I believe that the reporter should have printed that detail in the same article that they mention EJ's filing that he might not be. If they ever prove that he isn't the father, then they should print that too. Just my opinion.

I understand that EJ's challenge is of a biological nature, and the courts ruling is of a legal nature based on facts present at the time, but I feel that a paper that decides to run one, should run the other.

I get what you are saying but it does not really matter what a reporter writes. To Logan it is his son, and to Gabriel it is his daddy and that's all that matters. I doubt he really cares about how a reporter characterizes it. I think it is too easy to put Logan on a pedestal right now and overly sympathize with him but he really doesn't matter right now. It is Gabriel, and he doesn't care or know anything about that. IMO
 
Me too.
the detective I talked with from Tempe today though said there was A LOT of information for them to look into and lot of leads and he chuckled abit about the case load so I am guessing that maybe they just want to broadin the search or something? Hopefully nothing bad.. HOPEFULLY!!!!

Well, I certainly think the demeanor of the detective is encouraging! No way he would be chuckling if he knew the baby was dead. I honestly believe that if it was bad news, they would have had a news conference today.

I think that if they were able to locate him by either a tip or by the people who have him calling LE, it probably wouldn't be a dramatic rescue-type thing and that they would want to keep it quiet while they connected up all of the dots and find out exactly who was involved and to what extent. Little Gabriel could be back with his dad right now, and tomorrow at the news conference they will bring out Logan and Gabriel, while simultaneously in Scotsdale escorting Tammi and Jack to the back seat of a squad car.

That's what I'm visualizing and praying for -- exactly that scenario.
 
I had to go refresh my memory on this but I have been to Raymond Russell Park. Its not what I would call small child friendly. It does have pavillions for outdoor gatherings and quite a bit of wooded area. Its not an area where I would imagine that a lone couple would just happen to run into someone wanting to give their baby away (espcially not the day after Christmas) It seems like it would be very lonely . I do have the strong feeling that EJ was in that park though and if such a meeting did occur it was IMO planned.

i have chills thinking about a wooded area and a precious baby. tell me im wrong pleaseeeeeee . i dont like thinking about it, have they searched that whole area? and with a remark about being the day after Christmas. i have eerie feeling in gut. i pray im wrong
 
Oh, that's ok!

I think EJ started posting ads on Dec 8, 2009 - let's see, that was for a nanny and was the same day she kicked Logan out if I remember right (I guess thinking she was going to go back to work). She obviously changed her mind very quick or the Smith's offered to just care for Gabriel, because didn't he go tho their house on the 9th or something? Some scuffle in there with claiming Logan took the kid and he was found at the Smith's house. I don't remember, but I think he was there until the 18th? Then on the 12th she places an ad to give away free baby stuff... that was when the Smith's had Gabriel. We know they said she sold her dogs so that fits and that she rented out a room in the mobile so that fits.

You watch -

Tammi wrote and/or posted
- those Craig's List ads,​
- the mysp msg​
- the "I killed the baby because I hate you, Logan" texts​


JMO and I'd be willing to put money on it.​
 
I read something about a news conference today at 1 pm, did that info come from a news site ?
 
I'm sure you checked, but he didn't have the same real estate agency did he? Or connection w/ the realtor connected to that phone number?

I'm perplexed... maybe she was doing clerical work for someone at a real estate office (but that doesn't make sense either because the one add said she needed to go back to work) and Tammi and Jack said she was on unemployment at some point.

(adding ... I checked out the website associated with the one realtor with that number and it's disabled - so mabe the number was passed on? not sure)

It was a totaly different agency.
 
Good morning, friends. I regret to inform you that Tammi and Jack are standing by live for an appearance in a few minutes on NBC's Today Show...
 
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