AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #15

[spoiledmom]

He reminded me of how my son sounds when he know's he's going to be in trouble for something. "My Mom's freaking out", he says it the same way SC said it.
Probably means nothing, but that's what it made me think of.

I could understand him sounding calm if he believed his daughter was down the street or possibly went to a friends house nearby. But, we rule that out when he says that he believes she was abducted.

That in a nutshell sounds like he either wants police to believe she was abducted or that he actually knows that she was abducted. If this is truly something he was worried about, I don't think he would be cracking jokes on the 911 call. It is a little extreme.

 

[Prof]

And just to make sure that I understand...all theory that many of us have based on the cartel is rooted in this one charge?

I hope not?

IDK seriously...

 

[mamamia54]

Maybe because he didn't know that it would get as big as it did...thought that he was just doing the part and reporting it and then bam...the media. Well now, he has to play the part.

Look...I think the majority of us all agree that people react differently to different life situations. We could also agree that there are some societal norms and common behaviors associated. In other words, there is always the exception to the rule, right? But I can tell you...of all the things that were said on the 911 tape, the one thing that got me was this portion and it's not a direct quote but you get the point: I'm sorry...I can't hear you because my wife just came in and she's freaking out...what was your question again?
I get that there is a crisis going on and all the stuff I just mentioned but have a heart and at least walk over and comfort your wife...you know that the cops are on their way...you can even stay on the phone with dispatch but instead he was almost irriated with her. That...yeah...don't get although I accept that everyone is unique.

You see, I can accept that we are all individuals and react in our own seperate ways to let's say, emergencies. Now in saying that, I am a trained singer, went to college for music and because a soloist, and I learned to never let them see you sweat. It was ground into me as a student, and I carried that all through my singing days, and still have it. But, I don't care who you are, when a panic situation like you wake up to, and find that your child is missing, WE ALL would have one distinct reaction, because when the heart starts to beat faster, our bodies begin to react. Just sayin....

 

[Bonnie2487]

What bugs me at this point, is that Sergio seemed so calm making that 911 call, which is an entirely different thing when he's standing in front of the microphones pleading, crying for whoever has Isa to bring her home. It's like a contrast total contrast. I'm perplexed.

MAYBE at the time of the 911 call Sergio thought he knew what may have happened. By the time he was standing in front of the microphones too much time had gone by and he is frantic Isa isn't coming back like he thought.
And I am not saying he had anything to do with her being missing. But he may have someone in mind he thought may have taken her.

 

[johnQpublic]

Paxi, did you ever make it over there, to take photos? I'm specifically curious about the fence in the backyard. In some photos it seems there is a wooden gate, in others, just stucco wall. I would also like to know how tall the wall is, on the southwestern corner.

You really dont need to go over to the house to get pictures use street veiw on Google Maps by dragging the little man fron under the compass onto the street, from there you can walk virtually the entire way around the home. The wall around the back and side should be 6 feet and the wall in the front 5 feet and the wooden section of fence on the west side of the home is about 4 to 5 feet and its a mix between an RV gate and a Foot gate.

The Address to enter in Google is 5602 N. 12th Street, Tucson Az.

 

[txanmom]

Paxi, did you ever make it over there, to take photos? I'm specifically curious about the fence in the backyard. In some photos it seems there is a wooden gate, in others, just stucco wall. I would also like to know how tall the wall is, on the southwestern corner.

Yes, one side of the wall has a wooden latched gate, that goes out onto a side street. In light of SC comment that after talking with LE that he is now unsure as to whether the window was the point of entry/exit it makes me wonder if that could have been used. It would be difficult to jump/climb the wall with a 44 pound 6 year old in your arms.

 

[johnQpublic]

Just all the neighbors!!!!

As I said earlier, take a walk around in Google on thier street... the home construction of the neighbors is much more out of date than thiers with the exception to the one home to the north of thiers which is built the same way with noise reduction construction.

 

[Anita Richman]

You really dont need to go over to the house to get pictures use street veiw on Google Maps by dragging the little man fron under the compass onto the street, from there you can walk virtually the entire way around the home. The wall around the back and side should be 6 feet and the wall in the front 5 feet and the wooden section of fence on the west side of the home is about 4 to 5 feet and its a mix between an RV gate and a Foot gate.

The Address to enter in Google is 5602 N. 12th Street, Tucson Az.

Can I find a google view from today? My understanding is that the views are taken at different times and are updated occasionally. I want to know what the yard and wall looks like right now. (If someone took a photo of my backyard a year ago, it would look like a completely different place today.)

 

[txanmom]

I think he didn't sound afraid because he was involved. I in no way think that he is innocent. If the cartel took her, I think he willingly gave her to them. JMO.
Could be why he is not allowed to be around the boys.

Ok, but they would not have come into the house because they would make to much noise (unless you think they did and BC and boys already know?) So, how did he get her out of the house (a theory I am currently working on) and how did he meet them? If his car was in the garage, do you think BC would have heard him leave, or did he go out through the large wooden gate and meet them in the business parking lot on the other side of the road. If that is the case, wouldn't that be on some of the surveillance videos?

 

[Eileen730]

MAYBE at the time of the 911 call Sergio thought he knew what may have happened. By the time he was standing in front of the microphones too much time had gone by and he is frantic Isa isn't coming back like he thought.
And I am not saying he had anything to do with her being missing. But he may have someone in mind he thought may have taken her.

When he was in front of the microphone he had an audience AND CAMERAS! He is comfortable on stage we all saw that and he had an audience!

For the 911 call he had no one to watch him perform!

JMO

 

[SpongeBathHotPants]

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Police-search-Tucson-wash-for-Isabel-Celis-151631445.html

Sorry to quote myself but on the video they have two different experts listen to his 911 call and they give their opinion about the giggle and how calm he is. It's not long but I found it interesting.

 

[bessie]

This thread is a mess! I've removed umpteen extraneous posts. If you guys want the thread to stay open, then get back on track now.

I don't want to shoot down any theory. The facts are scarce in this case, and I realize that leaves a lot of room for speculation. On the other hand, your theories should at least be plausible, which means you can provide links to back them up. The cartel theory, for example. Can anyone provide a link to show it is a legitimate possibility in this case? Any links to another case where a Mexican cartel abducted a young chid as a retaliatory measure against a parent? Links to show the family is actually involved in illegal activity? The same goes for any theory. If you want to move forward with a line of thinking, you must support it with factual information.

 

[Prof]

We have assumed because of his age he is referred to as Uncle by the kids, he is a cousin to BC, 2nd cousin to Isabel. It's all linked up way back yonder lol

LOL
Thanks! I do think that calling an adult cousin of your uncle and mother an "uncle" is not that much of a problem.. it is respectful
But, one slight correction..sorry

When your cousin has a child, that child is your first cousin once removed ..

 

[Shelby2]

And just to make sure that I understand...all theory that many of us have based on the cartel is rooted in this one charge?

No, that is not the reason. I think that some locals have heard this rumor.

 

[SpongeBathHotPants]

IMO, I think that someone Isa knew came to the window and got her to come willingly out of the window. I don't know whom it might be but an example, a family friend who has been watching Isa for a while and waiting for his chance to take her. It's the only scenario that makes sense as to why she didn't scream or the dogs didn't bark. I would bet that she knew her abductor.

 

[johnQpublic]

Ok, but they would not have come into the house because they would make to much noise (unless you think they did and BC and boys already know?) So, how did he get her out of the house (a theory I am currently working on) and how did he meet them? If his car was in the garage, do you think BC would have heard him leave, or did he go out through the large wooden gate and meet them in the business parking lot on the other side of the road. If that is the case, wouldn't that be on some of the surveillance videos?

This is a kinda difficult question because of the home having gated alley access on the west side of the home from the rear so having that of camera maybe kinda tricky not to mention that thier front yard is pretty much walled in and maybe difficult to film over. BUT I got a really good debockle to work through, If the window was NOT the point of entry and SC was allegedly in the family room on the other side of the wall from Isa then he would have had to have woken up as these perps came into the home. And I am merely speculating from looking at Google Maps and Video's of Leo's comming and going but IMO I seriously think they left the garage door open the night of the disapearance and someone just walked right on in and did the job... Even if SC was passed out in front of the TV and not involved its still probable BUT in light of the speculation he was in the Family Room and not in bed ( which is an unknown ) I am also open to SC having been involved.

 

[Lark2]

this thread is a mess! I've removed umpteen extraneous posts. If you guys want the thread to stay open, then get back on track now.

I don't want to shoot down any theory. The facts are scarce in this case, and i realize that leaves a lot of room for speculation. On the other hand, your theories should at least be plausible, which means you can provide links to back them up. The cartel theory, for example. Can anyone provide a link to show it is a legitimate possibility in this case? Any links to another case where a mexican cartel abducted a young chid as a retaliatory measure against a parent? Links to show the family is actually involved in illegal activity? The same goes for any theory. If you want to move forward with a line of thinking, you must support it with factual information.

thank you thank you thank you!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I am going to throw this out there and hope I don't get yelled at because I am speculating and nothing more. I think we need to give mom a break about how she acts. We have no idea what the family dynamic was before Isa went missing. Doesn't sound like the marriage was all that great (really not uncommon) now mom has to deal with the press, LE breathing down her throat, the boys are probably afraid and she has to try to take care of them, her husband has to stay away and I am sure there are some doubts there about what he knows, guilt for not checking on Isa before she left for work (she said that on the 911 tape and broke down) and on top of all of that her baby is missing and (IMO) she doesn't know if she is alive or dead, hungry, safe. I am surprised that she can even remember to breath let alone "act" how everyone thinks she should be. If I am wrong and it turns out that she was involved than I will eat my words but until then I think before we judge her on her weird actions we need to step into her incredibly big shoes for a second. Ok off my soap box LOL I love you all so please don't flame me.

I certainly wont flame you. I havent said one unkind word against Becky and have no reason to do so. I dont think either parent is involved.

But I dont have the same concept of her marriage as you do. I have seen one of Becky's closest friends say that Becky and Sergio are a very close knit couple who have been in love since Becky was a teen. I have seen nothing to contradict that. Not one word has been said that they didnt have a close loving marriage.

I also dont think Becky doubts Sergio at all. She said that her boys lives have been ripped apart and all they want is to have their family back together. Imo, that includes Isa and Sergio to make the family complete again. Imo, Becky wants all of her family to be together again. She wants her daughter home and she wants her husband home.

I also will do the same for Sergio since I do not know him personally nor knew him before this happened in order to be able to weigh his demeanor during the 911 call. I have seen some 911 callers be as cool as a cucumber even when witnessing their loved ones dead with blood everywhere.

There hasnt been one shred of evidence shown against either parent. I will wait until LE is forcoming with actual evidence before I judge them for they are walking in shoes... I pray I will never have to wear.

So no flaming from me at all.

IMO

 

[DollyPardonMe]

12th Ave is southside, may be part of south Tucson. lets not forget that there are parts of Oracle and Grant roads that are rife with drugs and prostitution (No-Tel Motel anyone?) that people forget about....neither area is paticularly safe and is far from South Tucson lol. This side gets alllll the bad news though. I always laughed when people's eyes bugged out when I told them where I live. You are so right AZWildcat, the raspados over here are awesome! Some of the best restaurants are over here too...Guero Canelo, BK's, Littlw Mexico....nom.

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OMG, I can't believe someone knows where the No-tel Motel is!! LOL Is the Samaniego House still there?
I just wanted to point out something that has already probably been talked about over and over. We have neighbors across the street and one house down..Their dogs bark at the drop of a hat and keep us up ALL night long! You can't tell me that if someone was in Isa's room these dogs didn't make a peep!

 

[mamamia54]

So if LE thinks it's possibly not the entry and exit, and even SC says it might not be, then the screen laying on the ground was set up to make it look like it was. Why would a stranger abductor set up a point of entry and exitway? They'd do it quick and run, wouldn't worry about setting up a different scenario.

Nor would anyone such as a neighbor hear people talking outside Isa's window.