AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #15

[PAXIMUS]

I agree, I am concerned about the CPS action. I have seen some posters say that it must be something very serious, and other posters have said it does not necessarily have to be very serious.
The no-contact order is for 90 days! Unless they decide to challenge it.
It seems to be an extreme measure to me.

And yet SC's friend on NG last night said Becky and the kids are outraged that he was denied contact with the kids, that doesnt sound like he was abusing anyone.

The following is: Rumor, a suggestion, not a fact but a hunch, not necessarily true but potentially possible, it is speculative and not based on anything other than a gut feeling and a personal belief:

Could he have been removed because of some sort of threats or something?

 

[Shelby2]

Well.. The Item in the Towel or Blanket at the Re-Visit of the home... It could NOT have been anything of evidencial value because it is not in a bag and the detective is not wearing a glove. It's possible it is just a mock item IE a prop blanket or towel that investigators wanted each family member to stage how it was placed in the room OR its just a camera or something simple that she keeps wrapped in a towel instead of a camera bag to be discrete... I really don't think its a actual peice of evidence though due to the way it is being handled.

That reminds me-remember the blanket they took out of the car? Does anyone remember how that evidence was handled-did they wear gloves, have evidence bags?
I have not been able to find the video.

 

[Anita Richman]

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Also, are the beach towel and the blanket the same item just being called different things by different reporters? I am trying to understand that one.

TIA!


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An item was reportedly brought into the house inside a towel, and a blanket or comforter was later brought out of the house.

 

[johnQpublic]

Here's an interesting question I have yet to see answered either... Are any of Isa's personal effect's or Clothing missing or all accounted for... That would be something key to find out.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Okay, now I am confused......where did the 'drug cartel' thing come from? I am really not being snarky, but I have seen (and added) links and posts on the whole gun thing, but haven't seen anything on drugs or drug cartels except folks questioning that.

Where did that theory come from if I can ask?

There are alot of threads to wade through, but can someone clue me in?

Also, are the beach towel and the blanket the same item just being called different things by different reporters? I am trying to understand that one.

TIA!


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I have no clue where the drug cartel thing came from as Fast Furious wasnt about drugs.

 

[Shelby2]

Okay, now I am confused......where did the 'drug cartel' thing come from? I am really not being snarky, but I have seen (and added) links and posts on the whole gun thing, but haven't seen anything on drugs or drug cartels except folks questioning that.

Where did that theory come from if I can ask?

There are alot of threads to wade through, but can someone clue me in?

Also, are the beach towel and the blanket the same item just being called different things by different reporters? I am trying to understand that one.

TIA!


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Yes gun cartels were mentioned, but sometimes when people think about 'cartels' they think 'drug cartel', I am wondering if that's what happened?

 

[PAXIMUS]

I'm not strapped down to one theory, either. If the drug cartel theory turns out to be true, I'll meet all my fellow Tucsonans here on WS somewhere and you can all throw rotten eggs at me and chant "Told you so". Deal?

I'm not trying to come across as disrespectful of anyone's opinion. I will say that ever since the Somer Thompson case, and seeing all the bashing of her mom, Diena, I've tried to view the parents of missing children as victims. I've tried to believe that there is no set way of how anyone "should" act or react.

I don't know. I'm trying to keep faith that these people have no idea what happened to Isa.

I dont want to throw rotten eggs at you but I might make you buy me a beer.

 

[FrayedKnot]

Wouldn't he know their demands if he owed money, was a snitch, etc...

I took the asking for demands thing as a: naive if he is innocent or b. saying what he thought would make him sound innocent, if not.

JMO

Yep. I definitely was struck by his "demands" comment and it was one of the first things that made me go from thinking the parents were totally innocent to thinking that at least SC was guilty. I took that as an attempt to appear clueless and innocent.

While I still believe SC is guilty and responsible in some fashion for Isa's disappearance, I am beginning to reevaluate that "demands" comment......

JMO


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[gliving]

Okay, now I am confused......where did the 'drug cartel' thing come from? I am really not being snarky, but I have seen (and added) links and posts on the whole gun thing, but haven't seen anything on drugs or drug cartels except folks questioning that.

Where did that theory come from if I can ask?

There are alot of threads to wade through, but can someone clue me in?

Also, are the beach towel and the blanket the same item just being called different things by different reporters? I am trying to understand that one.

TIA!


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I posted an article a couple of days ago with Alicia the neighbor addressing rumors about the Celis' and the cartel.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - AZ AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #14

"I've heard speculations that the family is involved in drugs, the cartel," Stardevant says. "But that's just what people are saying. Who really knows?"

 

[johnQpublic]

That reminds me-remember the blanket they took out of the car? Does anyone remember how that evidence was handled-did they wear gloves, have evidence bags?
I have not been able to find the video.

Just watched that video a short while ago... LE collector was wearing gloves and the item was placed in a brown bag.

 

[FrayedKnot]

An item was reportedly brought into the house inside a towel, and a blanket or comforter was later brought out of the house.

Thank you! That has been bugging me for a while now.


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[PAXIMUS]

I will say again, the whole fast and furious cartel thing is very likely not true but there are some things that have been uncovered that make it well worth looking in to and certainly not a waste of time. Not to mention I have learned a hell of a lot just reading about all of that.

 

[PAXIMUS]

I posted an article a couple of days ago with Alicia the neighbor addressing rumors about the Celis' and the cartel.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - AZ AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #14

"I've heard speculations that the family is involved in drugs, the cartel," Stardevant says. "But that's just what people are saying. Who really knows?"

Great post!

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Just all the neighbors!!!!

That's how it seems to be in my neighborhood! :angel: (half-joking)

 

[Lava]

He said in case demands 'might' be made? Then that tells me none have/had been made as of that quote. And, again, if a demand HAD been made, I have a hard time believing LE would be handling the case the way they have in recent days.

IMO.

Unless LE doesn't know of any demands - they may have been made before LE even got involved (IMO).

 

[Shelby2]

Just watched that video a short while ago... LE collector was wearing gloves and the item was placed in a brown bag.

THANK YOU! This has been bugging me!

 

[ynotdivein]

Frayed, AFAI can tell, the cartel rumor comes from a neighbor whose speculations/reports of neighborhood gossip were included in at least one MSM report.

That rumor/gossip is ok to discuss in context but posters should not run wild with the assumption that it is true. (OK, no running wild in general. :nono: )

Still catching up on the towel v blanket issue...

Okay, now I am confused......where did the 'drug cartel' thing come from? I am really not being snarky, but I have seen (and added) links and posts on the whole gun thing, but haven't seen anything on drugs or drug cartels except folks questioning that.

Where did that theory come from if I can ask?

There are alot of threads to wade through, but can someone clue me in?

Also, are the beach towel and the blanket the same item just being called different things by different reporters? I am trying to understand that one.

TIA!


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[johnQpublic]

Thank you! That has been bugging me for a while now.


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I seriously think the articles such as the towel item and the blanket/comfortor that was taken in and out by LE on the day they escorted each family member in and out were merely Mock Items used for re-enactment efforts. Having each family member put things back were they perceived them to be the morning Isa went missing. I only say this because you wouldn't be handling evidence without gloves or out in the elements because the items would become comprimised and things such as hair fibers may fall off just walking around.

 

[gliving]

Volunteers dwindling at tent near Craycroft and Broadway

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18440644/volunteers-dwindling-at-tent-near-craycroft-and-broadway


"When asked how the 911 tapes and news that Sergio Celis was separated from his other children affected her feelings about the case, Felton said, "It's not our place to judge ... we just need to be supportive and keep looking for this little girl."

Volunteer Rey Sanders feels pretty much the same way.

"I understand everybody wants whoever did this, whoever was involved -- they want them to be brought to justice," Sanders said.

"But that's not our concern. Our concern is to bring her home. And then when she's home, she's safe -- we'll worry about that.""

 

[LisaB]

If that were the case, then why would Sergio allow his children to sleep in rooms on the opposite side of the house with windows that were not secured? In fact, why wasn't his security system working?

Sergio and Becky didn't take any secure measures as far as I can tell. Sergio, if involved with the bad guys, sure did nothing to protect his family.

I think that he thought the people he needed to worry about were in custody awaiting trial. MOO (FnF)