AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #17

[Isabelle]

I agree. I just put a lock on my closet door because my grandson would take things in there that he knew he wasn't allowed to touch lol He is not a wall writer (yet) - there is something about a closet that kids seem to love.

Haha, at a certain age a child 'thinks' if they can't see you, you can't see them, lol.

 

[Gracelin]

https://www.facebook.com/FindIsabelCelis

Vigil tonight Parents are supposed to attend..

 

[mamamia54]

OK...I'm gonna say this is O/T....

But, after he made the comment about the "opera"....well, it was actually the "surgical assistant"....he really likes to fluff his own feathers....I'm sorry, but, combined with the "Ave Maria" production in the church, IMO, he's a "legend" in his own mind.

So, I wanted to get some info on the Arizona Opera and shows, etc. So there's this Tuscon Theater Announcement site....I started reading some of the posts, etc....the SECOND one down is just so bizarre, at this point in time to me with Isa missing and the "cartel" theory.

Maybe Serg brought his "work" home with him....LOL


http://tucsonstage.blogspot.com/2011_12_01_archive.html

There's a "trailer"....couldn't tell if he's in there...

Um, hmmmmm, I read that also and didn't dare bring it here lol.

I really have been doing my homework. Something is amiss.

 

[Isabelle]

Is it 4 weeks this weekend?

 

[johnQpublic]

Okay, did more digging around LE and Court sites and found the LE 9-1-1 Transcript that is LESS redacted than that which was released thru the media. It will answer more questions as to which vehicle was being driven and questions about Jr driving around. And it has a little more indication of how 'unaware' SC was as he appears to not even know Isa's birthday and makes several corrections to discriptions.

http://cms3.tucsonaz.gov/files/poli..._911_audio_ref_isabel_celis_investigation.pdf

 

[mamamia54]

Okay, did more digging around LE and Court sites and found the LE 9-1-1 Transcript that is LESS redacted than that which was released thru the media. It will answer more questions as to which vehicle was being driven and questions about Jr driving around. And it has a little more indication of how 'unaware' SC was as he appears to not even know Isa's birthday and makes several corrections to discriptions.

http://cms3.tucsonaz.gov/files/poli..._911_audio_ref_isabel_celis_investigation.pdf

Wish I was able to open a pdf file, but alas. What points are important that we didn't hear, if you can tell us? Other than the birthday.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

First of all, I want to say that I respect every opinion here and the right to have one. I also do not attempt to sway anyone else's opinion.

I have been trying to catch up and it is hard because my Mother just got out of the hospital.

Anyway, about this F&F deal. No way do I believe that Sergio would stay at his elderly parents home and place them in great danger from any cartel. I just don't buy it. Would LE and FBI even let that happen if they thought he was affiliated with the cartel or was even a witness for the Feds? Now, I would not put it past JM being involved with a cartel because of his flashing expensive boats, vacations, and extensive traveling. JM and his buds seem more the type for the drug action.

This is just IMO, but I just have a rotten, very bad feeling that little Isa was being molested by her Dad. He could have given her too much of a sedative or whatever and her little body could not tolerate it. What did Isa write either in her closet or on the inside of her closet door? I so badly want to know. I feel Isa may have been sleeping in her brothers room so as to not be alone in her room and maybe to get away from an unwanted visitor coming to her room.

I believe with everything in me that Sergio knows (and is responsible for) Isa's disappearance. I am unsure of Rebecca and what she knows. She may be 100% innocent and not know anything, but her words in the hotel interview struck me as knowing something. I believe the window and the screen was a coverup.

This has got to be the strangest family I have ever read about! Who to believe? I did not know these people from Adam when little Isa went missing, so why should I believe anything they say? My first and foremost worry is for this 6 year old child who seems is nowhere to be found. Either parent may have spirited Isa away if there was going to be a breakup in the marriage, and a custody issue coming up. (although LE has stated they did not think it was a custody issue)

I will try to keep an open mind, but the above is what I think now. The December CPS involvement as well as Sergio being banned now from his two sons bothers me a great deal.

Little Isabel, where are you?

MOO's, etc.

:goodpost::goodpost: Excellent Points ! And I totally agree !

:moo::moo::moo:

 

[Ransom]

Well if the family ever traveled to Mexico she would have to have one.

Depends are where you are going in Mexico by car or on foot. The border area has no passport requirement. The “border zone” is generally defined as an area within 20 to 30 kilometers of the border with the U.S., depending on the location.

AFTER the border zone area you "may" be requested to show a passport at a check point, but even those are easy to avoid. HTH.

 

[mamamia54]

Depends are where you are going in Mexico by car or on foot. The border area has no passport requirement. The “border zone” is generally defined as an area within 20 to 30 kilometers of the border with the U.S., depending on the location.

AFTER the border zone area you "may" be requested to show a passport at a check point, but even those are easy to avoid. HTH.

Let me ask this, does it happen down there, childern being abducted and taken across the border into Mexico?

 

[Ransom]

Let me ask this, does it happen down there, childern being abducted and taken across the border into Mexico?

I live in New Mexico and no I've never heard of that.

 

[johnQpublic]

Wish I was able to open a pdf file, but alas. What points are important that we didn't hear, if you can tell us? Other than the birthday.

RC was driving a the Lexus 200

JR was NOT driving, someone gave him a ride

SC's call has way to much Alibi in it and chuckles, seems unaware of details

You really need to read it to understand... if you can read a pdf try downloading Adobe Reader from Adobe

 

[liz b.]

First of all, I want to say that I respect every opinion here and the right to have one. I also do not attempt to sway anyone else's opinion.

I have been trying to catch up and it is hard because my Mother just got out of the hospital.

Anyway, about this F&F deal. No way do I believe that Sergio would stay at his elderly parents home and place them in great danger from any cartel. I just don't buy it. Would LE and FBI even let that happen if they thought he was affiliated with the cartel or was even a witness for the Feds? Now, I would not put it past JM being involved with a cartel because of his flashing expensive boats, vacations, and extensive traveling. JM and his buds seem more the type for the drug action.

This is just IMO, but I just have a rotten, very bad feeling that little Isa was being molested by her Dad. He could have given her too much of a sedative or whatever and her little body could not tolerate it. What did Isa write either in her closet or on the inside of her closet door? I so badly want to know. I feel Isa may have been sleeping in her brothers room so as to not be alone in her room and maybe to get away from an unwanted visitor coming to her room.

I believe with everything in me that Sergio knows (and is responsible for) Isa's disappearance. I am unsure of Rebecca and what she knows. She may be 100% innocent and not know anything, but her words in the hotel interview struck me as knowing something. I believe the window and the screen was a coverup.

This has got to be the strangest family I have ever read about! Who to believe? I did not know these people from Adam when little Isa went missing, so why should I believe anything they say? My first and foremost worry is for this 6 year old child who seems is nowhere to be found. Either parent may have spirited Isa away if there was going to be a breakup in the marriage, and a custody issue coming up. (although LE has stated they did not think it was a custody issue)

I will try to keep an open mind, but the above is what I think now. The December CPS involvement as well as Sergio being banned now from his two sons bothers me a great deal.

Little Isabel, where are you?

MOO's, etc.

LaLaw,
You do raise some interesting points. MOO Hope your mom is doing well...

 

[prima.facie]

Okay, did more digging around LE and Court sites and found the LE 9-1-1 Transcript that is LESS redacted than that which was released thru the media. It will answer more questions as to which vehicle was being driven and questions about Jr driving around. And it has a little more indication of how 'unaware' SC was as he appears to not even know Isa's birthday and makes several corrections to discriptions.

http://cms3.tucsonaz.gov/files/poli..._911_audio_ref_isabel_celis_investigation.pdf

Ok...I may have missed this before...but this jumps out at me...

[pg12 38]
Q: Okay. Does uh, any uh, marks, scars?
A2 (RC): Other than the window out, I can't see anything else. And the door is locked to the outside, so they had to have jumped over the fence or, I dont know what they did, but oh my god, the cops are here, can I just hang up..

BBM.....that is new info to me.....

ETA (this website is soooooooooooooooo slow for me)

So....
Window open.....
Screen in backyard...
Door to outside is locked...

Either the window WAS the point of entry/exit (which I cant fathom) or someone from the inside took her out the door then locked it when they went back in.... ??????? right? those are the only options, right?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

https://www.facebook.com/FindIsabelCelis

Vigil tonight Parents are supposed to attend..

:tyou: for this update !

I hope the media covers it ...

:seeya:

 

[mamamia54]

Q: Okay. Does uh, any uh, marks, scars?
A2 (RC): Other than the window out, I can't see anything else. And the door is locked to the outside, so they had to have jumped over the fence or, I dont know what they did, but oh my god, the cops are here, can I just hang up..

Well this is interesting, because as one poster mentioned, there was a garbage can outside the wall toward the back of the house, and just around the corner from that big gate.

 

[Lark2]

Regarding The Huffington post link this morning provided by Emerald Eyes, it is my understanding that HuffPo is MSM.

There are comments posted on the 3rd page underneath the article that someone here noticed. The poster provides specific information on the Dec. CPS visit as far as who it concerned, and they also claim to have inside information about what LE think happened to Isabele. They are comments from a poster, same as the comments on any other blog site including this one so have to be taken for what they are worth.

The comments actually coincide with something I have felt from the beginning, that being, IF Isabele isn't and wasn't dead at the hands of a family member, then this is a hoax somehow manufactured by the dad and/or family, for enrichment or some other motive.
I posted about this in late April here on this site <modsnip> but a lot of what has happened in this case lines up with that scenario:

• SC's calm demeanor on the 911 call, as if he knew his daughter wasn't in any danger
• The immediate "she was abducted" comments to LE from all family members and even JM, as if they were telling them what to think
• The staged 'abducution" scene
• LE searching the boys' FB pages and interviewing their friends about what they might have told them orior to the disappearance (fishing for pre-talk of a planned abduction)
• Their reluctance to do media because maybe they would have felt their story couldn't stand up to scrutinty AND the "tell us your demands" comment
• The lack of searches by LE except what they had to do (and Pacheco actually used those exact words!) to rule anything else out.

And on and on.

The Balloon Boy hoax cost the state of Colorado in excess of $50,000 and sent Richard Heane to jail.

If Isabele Celis is not dead by the hands of someone in the family, then my money is on this being a hoax. A very, very expensive hoax, and if that turns out to be the case, I hope the state of Arizona can get their money back.

 

[liz b.]

Ok...I may have missed this before...but this jumps out at me...



BBM.....that is new info to me.....

Is the question about "any marks or scars " in connection with Isabel ? And he answers by referencing the gate ??? Or am I misunderstanding,(which happens with regularity) ? MOO

And he supplies an answer to an unasked question " they must have jumped over the fence, " before he backtracks... JMO

 

[pinkfly]

First of all, I want to say that I respect every opinion here and the right to have one. I also do not attempt to sway anyone else's opinion.

I have been trying to catch up and it is hard because my Mother just got out of the hospital.

Anyway, about this F&F deal. No way do I believe that Sergio would stay at his elderly parents home and place them in great danger from any cartel. I just don't buy it. Would LE and FBI even let that happen if they thought he was affiliated with the cartel or was even a witness for the Feds? Now, I would not put it past JM being involved with a cartel because of his flashing expensive boats, vacations, and extensive traveling. JM and his buds seem more the type for the drug action.

This is just IMO, but I just have a rotten, very bad feeling that little Isa was being molested by her Dad. He could have given her too much of a sedative or whatever and her little body could not tolerate it. What did Isa write either in her closet or on the inside of her closet door? I so badly want to know. I feel Isa may have been sleeping in her brothers room so as to not be alone in her room and maybe to get away from an unwanted visitor coming to her room.

I believe with everything in me that Sergio knows (and is responsible for) Isa's disappearance. I am unsure of Rebecca and what she knows. She may be 100% innocent and not know anything, but her words in the hotel interview struck me as knowing something. I believe the window and the screen was a coverup.

This has got to be the strangest family I have ever read about! Who to believe? I did not know these people from Adam when little Isa went missing, so why should I believe anything they say? My first and foremost worry is for this 6 year old child who seems is nowhere to be found. Either parent may have spirited Isa away if there was going to be a breakup in the marriage, and a custody issue coming up. (although LE has stated they did not think it was a custody issue)

I will try to keep an open mind, but the above is what I think now. The December CPS involvement as well as Sergio being banned now from his two sons bothers me a great deal.

Little Isabel, where are you?

MOO's, etc.

Unfortunately, I think you are exactly on target here. My heart hit bottom when SC was talking about the showers that night and he quoted Isa as saying “I don’t want to Daddy, I am tired” (all I heard was ‘not tonight dear, I have a headache’).

So sad.

 

[prima.facie]

Is the question about "any marks or scars " in connection with Isabel ? And he answers by referencing the gate ??? Or am I misunderstanding,(which happens with regularity) ? MOO

And he supplies an answer to an unasked question " they must have jumped over the fence, " before he backtracks... JMO

unfortunately, I cant copy/paste the text from the .pdf....so I typed exactly what was said...

the answer to the question did not match, for sure...the question was asked to RC and it was the last bit of communication between her and the operator before she hung up....

the question before it was talking about her braids...so I assume the operator was wanting more identifying info on Isa.....and mom totally answered w/ a different issue....

 

[Patty G]

When looking at the Google "street view" pictures of the Celis' home, keep in mind, that these photos are from January 2008.