AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #23

[iSleuth]

That is exactly what I was thinking - that it was the older boy and the man who we hear on the 911 call. But when it was pointed out that the woman's description of the kid was 403/slight and approx 12 yo, I don't believe it can be the oldest boy. And the inconsistency would be in SC's 911 call when he says youngest son was in garage waiting for mom. It could just be that he went to the garage and then decided to go looking and SC didn't know he left.

Also if this is an entirely different man than the one who called 911 for Jr, maybe they never released his 911 call or maybe he didn't call 911 at all. I just am not convinced it was the oldest boy who was seen based on description. Is this location close to the party store where the clerk wrote about the younger son coming in the store? And does anyone recall the time that happened.
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I think it is the older son too- he was out in the neighborhood for quite some time- many people saw him - and his friend (Pike ) neighbor mentioned looking with him - and him-physically falling to the ground - and crying, a few times.

For some reason I was under the impression that the person driving up in the truck who drove him home was JM.

( i think it is in Linda's account)



Not sure why I have that impression.

 

[iSleuth]

well, I do not get it, it is about the timeline,
he called 911, was it at around 8:48 / 8:55 a.m that morning? (thats what police report says)
if so why did he call that late? he went to Isa´s bedroom at 8:00 a.m?
when did he call Becky then ?
Linda(the neighbor) met Sergio junior at about 8:10 and said she also saw Sergio coming in the truck ,talking to her(he will immediately call police from his cell phone),and driving back home with his son.
But on this Pdf of the transcripts released by the police looks like he didn't call till almost nine am ?
If so, why did he make that phone call that late and from what phone?
when did he call his wife then?
at what time did police and becky arrive home?
Besides,he told police after they asked:
"why do you think she was abducted?"
" WE woke up this morning and went to go get her up,start her baseball game and she was gone. I woke up my, my sons, I..., WE looked everywhere in the house and my oldest son noticed that her window was wide open and the screen was laying in the backyard.WE have looked all around the house, my son..."
"Ok, hang on!"
"...are running, MY sons are running around the house looking for her"

so, he said his sons are running around the house as he was talking to police,but they did that already,before, as Sergio junior met Linda?!?

He said WE woke up and went to Isa´s bedroom, so I think Sergio and Becky have been in Isa´s room and then he said he woke up his sons,he wasn´t sure what to say: I....., WE....., I´m sure dad woke up first,while his sons were still asleeping, but then why he said: WE ????
Has anyone noticed about the time he made that phone call? because on this PDF file stays: 8:48 am
The neighbor Jorge called at 8:57 and did not know the name of the streets ????, who was that Jorge? and where does he live at????

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.town...-11e1-8e9c-001a4bcf887a/4fb1dbce13254.pdf.pdf

please some help me understand ,and I do apologize if I´m wrong about the timeline
Heidi, mom of abducted/missing Dirk Schiller

From the report: 6:1
0805 hours Mr Celis called his wife( Rebecca) and advised her that *advertiser censored* was missing. Review of the call text showed that >this< call was received at 0813 entered at 0814, dispatched at 0814, and a unit was on the scene at 0820 hours.

This call - the 911 call.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Has there been any mention of Sergio's "lawyering-up" since Nancy Grace floated the notion on her show a few weeks ago? If it had been true, I think we would have heard from said attorney about challenging the voluntary CPS no-contact agreement. Assuming that Sergio is abiding by the terms of the agreement, how much longer will he tolerate not seeing his sons?

 

[iSleuth]

I think it is the older son too- he was out in the neighborhood for quite some time- many people saw him - and his friend (Pike ) neighbor mentioned looking with him - and him-physically falling to the ground - and crying, a few times.

For some reason I was under the impression that the person driving up in the truck who drove him home was JM.


( i think it is in Linda's account)



Not sure why I have that impression.

Tpd 1204210265

&#8230;&#8230;At this point a male pulled up in a truck ( square browned banged up) and the 14 yoa spoke with him. She assumed that the male in the truck was the 14 year old&#8217;s father. She described him as a white male in his 40s with grey hair, shorter than 6 feet/slim, wearinga baseball cap. The male got out of the truck, walked up and said he would call the police on his cell phone( flip phone) Linda continued on to the gym, knowing that two people were calling the police.

 

[Azcrabcakes]

Quoting Ginger~snap: "I was a home health nurse and drew blood at the home from newborns that were jaundiced and being treated with bili lights... I had to drive to the hospital and take the sample to the lab! So YES blood COULD end up in a vehicle due to a nurses "job" - (thank God I never spilled a sample!)
You said THEIR jobs! ~duh!
I guess due to the jobs they performed it would be next to impossible! "

Typically blood collected from newborns, for a T.bilirubin, is placed into a very small container, known as a microtainer, and nick-named a "bullet." The amount is measured in mililiters - just a few drops. These bullets have tight fitting caps. Per all regs, this sample must be placed into a zip-lock bag. The bag is to be placed into a cooler. It is probably possible for a closed cooler to fall over in the car, open, and the ziplock bag fall out, open, allowing the tightly closed bullet to fall out, open the cap, and spill out. But HIGHLY improbable. If it did, one would have to go re-stick the baby!lease:

They actually allow bili-lights to be used at home now? :what: Very risky to me, considering some parents. I suppose with insurance cut-backs, it is far cheaper to have home photo-therapy though. Used to be they could only be used in the hospital. I would hope only a bili-blanket would be used at home. Years ago babies were set in an open window to lower bilirubin, albeit it was a slower process.

 

[Taminator]

We don't even know how old the blood is. For all we know it could have been a tiny spot that was there for weeks/months/years. Without the forensic results, we are pretty much chasing our own tails, IMO.

 

[iSleuth]

I have respect for WS policy to not sleuth minors until we are told by police a minor is involved directly or determined by LE to be a POI.

please forgive the following observation and opinions:

It dawned on me this morning that LE has all but said that he already is: (a POI)
TPD did not redact his name in any document.
They released the full 911 calls ( which HE made)
They released all statements/behaviors by witnesses.

Since: "everyone is a POI" ( LE) The fact that he is a minor complicates all the activities of LE ( JMOO)

The thing that really bothers me is this media insistance that
" she normally sleeps with her brothers but did not sleep in the brothers room that night" ( is this real/true or is this an erroneous yet sticking NG statement??)

Does that not establish an alibi for the siblings? and/or does that mean
She did NOT go to sleep that night

The parents keep stating (in different) ways the last time they ( all )saw her (alive?) was getting ready for bed.

:-(
Prayers for Isabel - where ever she may be- may she be blessed.
Prayers for her family too. All of them. May they be blessed by angels of truth & justice.

:couch:

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I'll try to answer your question. IMO the people who believe that this may be a hoax think that Sergio and Becky simply DID NOT expect something to go wrong and to end up under LE scrutiny.

I believe that some one here previously mentioned that Sergio might be delusional, egotistical, or have a disconnect with reality. I think this comment was made when we were discussing the worldwide prayer event and 9/11 comment.

A person with this type of personality could think that he would be smart enough to actually get away with something like this. I don't think anyone commits a crime assuming that they are going to be caught. They always think that they are in some way special, smart enough, lucky enough, etc...

I know it would be naive to think a hoax would work. Some have said that Sergio and Becky sometimes act like teenagers. In a way that's how they strike me. What if they thought they had come up with a great idea, didn't think it through very well, and ended up in too deep to back down? There are so many things that they have said, that just don't make much sense otherwise.

In the radio interview Sergio said "This is gonna be...It already feels like it's been a long road..." Maybe that wasn't just a slip of the tongue. It appeared that he started to say "this is gonna be a long road". But if he is not in control of when it will end, why would he assume that it will be a long road? Isa could be found at any moment. On the Today Show, Sergio talked about LE's efforts. He said "we understand that they can’t bring false hope". How did he know it would only be "false hope"? Most parents would have been praying for and expecting real answers.

Even the Bring Isa Home website and slogan seems strange to me. The emphasis is completely on getting Isa's face out there and raising "awareness" (whatever that means). They talk about bringing her home, but not about "actually finding Isa".

If this was a hoax, I'm sure they had a plan so Isa could turn up safe somewhere and everything would work out. I don't really assume that the boys knew about a plan. Maybe the parent's thought Isa was young enough that she wouldn't be able to say anything "believable" after she came home.

But they didn't expect to be under LE's scrutiny from the beginning. At first, the family pointed to the window as the entry point, but then a few days later Sergio wasn't so sure. Becky went to work at 7:30, 7:00, or 6:30. They just seem to trying to stay ahead of developments that they didn't anticipate.

I have never implied that I think that this family had particularly nefarious motives. I don't think they would consider a hoax to be a serious crime. If that's what this is, they wouldn't actually be hurting anyone (from their point of view). They would just be making a false police report. That happens frequently, even in a custody battle, a divorce proceeding, or just to get back at someone.

I know people don't want to talk about the Balloon Boy, but that father did actually attempt to get attention by planning a hoax. Looking back, we wonder why he didn't realize that his family wasn't likely to be able to keep that secret. But people do strange things. Sergio does seem naive to me, and there was a chance that Isa could eventually be "found" somewhere, without raising too much suspicion (if LE had just done a less thorough investigation and the public had continued supporting the family).

But even if someone is caught planning a hoax, the Balloon Boy's dad was only sentenced to 90 days in jail. (he was supposed to serve the first 30 days of his sentence in jail and then the last 60 days he could spend weekends and nights in jail so that he could work during the day.) The mother got 20 days in jail (which could be served over 10 weekends, after the father served his sentence).

People want publicity and attention and then they see that those sentences were a slap on the wrist (and that is assuming they actually get caught). They also watch Casey Anthony and her parents (and others) get rich.

Some have said that this family wouldn't want to be remembered as the parents "who staged a fake abduction". I just don't believe that when planning a crime most people think that far ahead, and even consider how they will be remembered.

If this was a hoax, maybe they felt that the upside was good enough and the chances of getting caught were actually small. Remember Becky's "bring it on" statement and her confidence that no one would find anything. And based on the sentencing of the Balloon Boy's parent's, maybe the risk of lying to LE, just didn't seem to be that high.

I doubt that anyone was initially thinking much about a $1,000,000 investigation and any possible restitution. The calm 911 call could make sense if Sergio was just going through the motions and reporting the "abduction" as part of a plan.

I hope Sergio and Becky aren't using "Balloon Boy" as their inspiration. There are big differences between the two cases:

When Balloon Boy was missing, every news channel was live from Colorado. Balloon Boy was the #1 search item that day. How often is there a news story that everyone is talking about? Isabel has received coverage too...but it's a different type of coverage.

Balloon Boy's hoax was unique and kind of funny. The media was following around a hot air balloon that they thought a kid was in! With Isabel, the story is that she was kidnapped from her bedroom by some predator. That's every parent's worst nightmare; it's a horrific, frightening scenario and there's nothing "LOL" about it.

I also think a big reason why people still remember Balloon Boy is because of the nickname that the media gave him. I'm not sure what the media will call Isabel if this turns out to be a hoax. "Hoax Girl" just doesn't have the same ring as "Balloon Boy".

Balloon Boy's parents wanted to get a reality show out of their hoax. That didn't happen. They also never got a book deal or movie deal. Why? Because it was a story that was interesting for a few days, but doesn't hold genuine public interest for years. There's a difference between referencing Balloon Boy (who is kind of part of pop culture now) and wanting to read what his parents have to say in 2014.

Also, Balloon Boy did the whole hoax thing first. The novelty isn't there anymore.

 

[Jules71]

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Linda(the neighbor) met Sergio junior at about 8:10 and said she also saw Sergio coming in the truck ,talking to her(he will immediately call police from his cell phone),and driving back home with his son.

Two different boys Linda encountered. First boy was 502/husky brownish Blonde hair about 14yoa. He was looking for his dog.

Second boy was 403/slight Hispanic brown eyes and hair about 12 yoa. Looking for sister. One of Isa's brothers.

Male approx 40 yoa grey hair shorter than 6 ft slim then arrived in brown truck. Thought to be father of boy looking for dog. He said he would call 911.

911 was called by an unknown man on behalf of Sergio Jr. That man in the 911 tape called Sergio Jr by the name of Jorge. Not sure why. Maybe Jr gave him that name or maybe the man misunderstood him.

Linda came across these 2 boys and man sometime between 8:10 and 8:30.

Sergio called Becky at 8:05 and called 911 at 8:14. LE arrived at 8:20. Becky arrived home just before LE arrived. Sergio Jr pulled up with the caller of the other 911 call when Becky was there because he handed the phone to her in the 911 call.

The younger brother was said to be waiting in the garage for mom.

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[Jules71]

Do we have any info from the doc dump about the brown square banged up truck and who it belongs to?

Isn't it weird the 911 operator didn't ask the man his name when he called in for Sergio Jr?

Also it looks like it was the younger brother who went into Party City looking for Isa. It doesn't seem right that it could have been an hour after Sergio called 911. LE would have already been at the house and both boys were there right - because Sergio Jr tells the man driving him home 'see the house right there were the kid is' or something similar.

"On Saturday morning, about an hour after the 6 year old's father called 911 to report his daughter missing, Emily Collins says Isabel's brother walked into a nearby store searching for his sister."

"He came in and he asked did you hear anything," Emily Collins, who works at the store, told ABC News. "'The little girl was last seen around 11 p.m. Friday, when she was put to bed,' he said. 'We were all sleeping and we didn't hear anything and the next thing you know she's gone.' He asked me once again, 'we were sleeping and we didn't hear anything and she's just kidnapped.'"

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[Lark2]

I hope Sergio and Becky aren't using "Balloon Boy" as their inspiration. There are big differences between the two cases:

When Balloon Boy was missing, every news channel was live from Colorado. Balloon Boy was the #1 search item that day. How often is there a news story that everyone is talking about? Isabel has received coverage too...but it's a different type of coverage.

Balloon Boy's hoax was unique and kind of funny. The media was following around a hot air balloon that they thought a kid was in! With Isabel, the story is that she was kidnapped from her bedroom by some predator. That's every parent's worst nightmare; it's a horrific, frightening scenario and there's nothing "LOL" about it.

I also think a big reason why people still remember Balloon Boy is because of the nickname that the media gave him. I'm not sure what the media will call Isabel if this turns out to be a hoax. "Hoax Girl" just doesn't have the same ring as "Balloon Boy".

Balloon Boy's parents wanted to get a reality show out of their hoax. That didn't happen. They also never got a book deal or movie deal. Why? Because it was a story that was interesting for a few days, but doesn't hold genuine public interest for years. There's a difference between referencing Balloon Boy (who is kind of part of pop culture now) and wanting to read what his parents have to say in 2014.

Also, Balloon Boy did the whole hoax thing first. The novelty isn't there anymore.

The reason the family didn't get a reaility show is because the youngest son spilled the beans as to this being a hoax. Prior to that, their plan was working: i.e., stage something and have people believe it really happened, get mega publicity from it, and cash in.

 

[abstr]

Sad this seems to be going cold. Isa deserves to be found. I am so sad.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I'll try to answer your question. IMO the people who believe that this may be a hoax think that Sergio and Becky simply DID NOT expect something to go wrong and to end up under LE scrutiny.

I believe that some one here previously mentioned that Sergio might be delusional, egotistical, or have a disconnect with reality. I think this comment was made when we were discussing the worldwide prayer event and 9/11 comment.

A person with this type of personality could think that he would be smart enough to actually get away with something like this. I don't think anyone commits a crime assuming that they are going to be caught. They always think that they are in some way special, smart enough, lucky enough, etc...

I know it would be naive to think a hoax would work. Some have said that Sergio and Becky sometimes act like teenagers. In a way that's how they strike me. What if they thought they had come up with a great idea, didn't think it through very well, and ended up in too deep to back down? There are so many things that they have said, that just don't make much sense otherwise.

In the radio interview Sergio said "This is gonna be...It already feels like it's been a long road..." Maybe that wasn't just a slip of the tongue. It appeared that he started to say "this is gonna be a long road". But if he is not in control of when it will end, why would he assume that it will be a long road? Isa could be found at any moment. On the Today Show, Sergio talked about LE's efforts. He said "we understand that they can&#8217;t bring false hope". How did he know it would only be "false hope"? Most parents would have been praying for and expecting real answers.

Even the Bring Isa Home website and slogan seems strange to me. The emphasis is completely on getting Isa's face out there and raising "awareness" (whatever that means). They talk about bringing her home, but not about "actually finding Isa".

If this was a hoax, I'm sure they had a plan so Isa could turn up safe somewhere and everything would work out. I don't really assume that the boys knew about a plan. Maybe the parent's thought Isa was young enough that she wouldn't be able to say anything "believable" after she came home.

But they didn't expect to be under LE's scrutiny from the beginning. At first, the family pointed to the window as the entry point, but then a few days later Sergio wasn't so sure. Becky went to work at 7:30, 7:00, or 6:30. They just seem to trying to stay ahead of developments that they didn't anticipate.

I have never implied that I think that this family had particularly nefarious motives. I don't think they would consider a hoax to be a serious crime. If that's what this is, they wouldn't actually be hurting anyone (from their point of view). They would just be making a false police report. That happens frequently, even in a custody battle, a divorce proceeding, or just to get back at someone.

I know people don't want to talk about the Balloon Boy, but that father did actually attempt to get attention by planning a hoax. Looking back, we wonder why he didn't realize that his family wasn't likely to be able to keep that secret. But people do strange things. Sergio does seem naive to me, and there was a chance that Isa could eventually be "found" somewhere, without raising too much suspicion (if LE had just done a less thorough investigation and the public had continued supporting the family).

But even if someone is caught planning a hoax, the Balloon Boy's dad was only sentenced to 90 days in jail. (he was supposed to serve the first 30 days of his sentence in jail and then the last 60 days he could spend weekends and nights in jail so that he could work during the day.) The mother got 20 days in jail (which could be served over 10 weekends, after the father served his sentence).

People want publicity and attention and then they see that those sentences were a slap on the wrist (and that is assuming they actually get caught). They also watch Casey Anthony and her parents (and others) get rich.

Some have said that this family wouldn't want to be remembered as the parents "who staged a fake abduction". I just don't believe that when planning a crime most people think that far ahead, and even consider how they will be remembered.

If this was a hoax, maybe they felt that the upside was good enough and the chances of getting caught were actually small. Remember Becky's "bring it on" statement and her confidence that no one would find anything. And based on the sentencing of the Balloon Boy's parent's, maybe the risk of lying to LE, just didn't seem to be that high.

I doubt that anyone was initially thinking much about a $1,000,000 investigation and any possible restitution. The calm 911 call could make sense if Sergio was just going through the motions and reporting the "abduction" as part of a plan.

Everything is done for a purpose. What would the purpose be for a 'hoax abduction' for the Celis'? I honestly dont get how anyone believes this is a hoax even though I respect their rights to believe this theory. Even TPD believes Isa was abducted from her home.

The Celis' parents arent dumb. Anyone would know that if a child went missing from someone's home everyone in it would be closely scrutinized.

The 'balloon boy' hoax is entirely different than this case. The entire 'bb' family couldnt wait to get their mugs on tv. Imo, hoaxes are very easy to ascertain. That is why it did not take LE long to know 'balloon boy''s family was behind the hoax.

I really dont think there is any known evidence that supports the Celis parents have committed a crime of any kind. As far as I am aware both are free to come and go as they wish and it is almost 2 months since Isa was abducted.

I dont know who here said Sergio is delusional, egotistical, or has a disconnect with reality, but those that know him certainly hasnt said that. It seems he is greatly liked by his bosses and co-workers and known to be a good worker, good husband, father and neighbor. I havent heard anyone that really knows Sergio say the things you have listed in your post.

I also dont think that is what Becky meant when she said 'bring it on.' Imo, she meant 'look at us if you want, and think what you will, but you will find out we did not harm Isa.'

Sergio and Becky know that LE cannot give them false hope and tell them for sure they are going to bring Isa back even if it is dead or alive as they are hoping will happen. LE would be remiss if they did give them false hope when they dont know who took her or what has happened to her... so I see nothing odd about that statement.

They want Isa brought home by whoever has taken her, imo.

I dont see anything that has ever indicated that the Celis' wanted publicity. They were heckled because it took them 5 days to even come forward. What they dont want imo is to be constantly criticized for every word they speak, and that is why they have decided it does no good to speak out publicly, because the subject becomes more about them than finding Isa, and bringing her home.

IMO

 

[SmoothOperator]

I think what is most important that is continually forgotten, disregarded, and left out IS THE FACT that the cars, none of the Celis' cars.. not the one with "blood" on drivers seat.. nor the one where a shower curtain had NOTHING on it.. nor Rebecca's red Lexus ..NONE OF THE CARS WERE EVER SEIZED OR TAKEN INTO CUSTODY FOR EVIDENCE...this point is continually disregarded and therefore often times people who are unable to read every post and every document in the celis case, those people are again led astray and totally misinformed as to details that quite obviously have zero to do with Isabel Celis disappearnce..

My SUV has my blood, my dogs blood, as well as my husbands blood in it..and thats jjust from the two years I've had it.. i bought it newly used so I don't have a clue who else blood may show up from the previous owners.. my husbands extra truck has his blood and my sons blood in it.. along with the blood of one of my husbands crew from the railroad when the crewman lost 4 fingers and my husband took him to the ER..

ONE THING IS CERTAIN IF THAT BLOOD ON THE DRIVERS SEAT OF ONE OF THE CELIS CARS THAT IS QUITE MANY NUMEROUS YEARS OLD..IF THAT BLOOD EVEN WAS IN THE MOST REMOTE OF WAYS THOUGHT TO BE POSSIBLY RELATED TO ISABEL'S DISAPPEARANCE YOU DAMN WELL BETTER BELIEVE THAT VEHICLE WOULD HAVE BEEN SEIZED FOR FURTHER TESTING AND EVIDENCE...THAT DID NOT OCCUR AND CLEARLY INDICATES THE BLOOD HAS ZERO INVOLVEMENT IN THIS CASE, PERIOD.. (blood that easily could be from a dog, cat, pet of any kind, mom, dad, or anyone else for that matter ..including former owners their families and any other Joe blow that ever drove or was in that car.. )

I dont know who or what's blood it is but i do know its not involved in Isabel's disappearance.. jmo

Dear God how I pray that TPd has got more tha it certainly appears they do.. and that's not by what they're releasing as its sOp for them to not be releasing all info.. its just a personal intuition I unfortunately have about the case.. I pray that intuition is very wrong..

Where are you isa? ..still praying for you and your loved ones every day..

 

[Lark2]

These "cold case" posts baffle me. I think TPD has made it clear who they are focusing on, and I'm pretty sure they know what happened to Isabel. IMO, they are trying to force the parents' hand with the no-contact order. It's leverage in the extreme. At some point Sergio will want to see his boys and the jig will be up.

As for anyone who doesn't feel this is a hoax and feels that even suggesting it is a crazy scenario - well, I beg to differ, and I don't mind being proven right after the fact.

 

[Alice Ramnit]

Feels to me like this case is going cold in the public eye...which is sad to me!
I wish that the police would be more forthcoming!
How MANY more children can simply disappear from their bedrooms, especially without anyone being caught?
It boggles my mind!!!!

 

[Ransom]

well, I do not get it, it is about the timeline,
he called 911, was it at around 8:48 / 8:55 a.m that morning? (thats what police report says)
if so why did he call that late? he went to Isa´s bedroom at 8:00 a.m?
when did he call Becky then ?
Linda(the neighbor) met Sergio junior at about 8:10 and said she also saw Sergio coming in the truck ,talking to her(he will immediately call police from his cell phone),and driving back home with his son.
But on this Pdf of the transcripts released by the police looks like he didn't call till almost nine am ?
If so, why did he make that phone call that late and from what phone?
when did he call his wife then?
at what time did police and becky arrive home?
Besides,he told police after they asked:
"why do you think she was abducted?"
" WE woke up this morning and went to go get her up,start her baseball game and she was gone. I woke up my, my sons, I..., WE looked everywhere in the house and my oldest son noticed that her window was wide open and the screen was laying in the backyard.WE have looked all around the house, my son..."
"Ok, hang on!"
"...are running, MY sons are running around the house looking for her"

so, he said his sons are running around the house as he was talking to police,but they did that already,before, as Sergio junior met Linda?!?

He said WE woke up and went to Isa´s bedroom, so I think Sergio and Becky have been in Isa´s room and then he said he woke up his sons,he wasn´t sure what to say: I....., WE....., I´m sure dad woke up first,while his sons were still asleeping, but then why he said: WE ????
Has anyone noticed about the time he made that phone call? because on this PDF file stays: 8:48 am
The neighbor Jorge called at 8:57 and did not know the name of the streets ????, who was that Jorge? and where does he live at????

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.town...-11e1-8e9c-001a4bcf887a/4fb1dbce13254.pdf.pdf

please some help me understand ,and I do apologize if I´m wrong about the timeline
Heidi, mom of abducted/missing Dirk Schiller

You're wrong. Too much to through. I refer you to: AZ AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 Media & Doc Dump (No Discussion) - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[RavenTrue]

Someone in that house 'knows'..<modsnip> I feel they "know". As advised by many good peeps here.
Am so completely over this case. All the more reason we must perservere!

 

[RavenTrue]

It's Friday afternoon. Hoping for some news/a break for Isabel ... Seems to be the pattern for LE here. I will be patient.

X fingers crossed X

Someone in that house 'knows'..whether Father/or bros. I feel they "know". As advised by many good peeps here.
Am so completely over this case. All the more reason we must perservere!

Will quote my own:: the background of Mum and Dad is not so good. He has been abusive to his wife AND children. And yet...he was involved in many other things that you say he may have been. NOT SO that MY Son would hit another women. (that is...if I were to have have have another son!)

I flipping mean that...LOL

He will grow up cooking, and making beds/toilets...just sayin.


LMAO but he seriously will, that's just the way of it

 

[SapphireSteel]

I have just read that the no-contact order for Sergio and his boys has been lifted.

Can anyone confirm this?