AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #24

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I've never been a fan of AMW, but has Isabel's disappearance ever been covered by John Walsh? Now that the program airs on Lifetime, there are new shows, i.e. Kyron Horman next week, so maybe we should write to AMW and see if the Celis case can be investigated.

I agree that Becky and Sergio will not hire a P.I. because they most likely know that Isabel will not be located alive. These parents really don't seem interested in searching for their "missing" daughter but have no qualms about accepting donations from the public. :sick:
 
I personally think hiring a PI couldn't hurt and I am sure the Celis family has enough to pay for it considering the amount t of donations I assume they have gotten. But I do agree with many of you that they do not want the case solved or do not want someone else poking around in their business in fear of what they might find. Will it be released whether the blood was Isa's or not? So sad, I pray for her everyday.
 
The hiring of a PI suggestion was made as an idea to WS posters who have been greatly frustrated and frantic about what they could do to help find Isa, not what the Celis family could do (or should do). I was only addressing the need of WS forum members who said they "were desperate to do something." And that would be something active and significant. And, since anyone can hire a PI (or a group of people can hire a PI), it doesn't require the approval of the Celis family.

You're not going to see the Celis family hire anyone. That's an expectation that will not be met.
 
Madeleine74 said:
Hired by who?

In response to several folks here on the forum saying they desperately want to *do something to find Isa,* I made a suggestion a couple months ago or so that anyone (including people on a sleuthing forum, for instance) could hire a P.I. to investigate a missing person. It doesn't require the approval of police or the family. I mentioned hiring a P.I. as a way to make something happen, but it means personally funding a professional.

I think people reading the suggestion I posted here somehow expected the Celis family to magically step up and hire a P.I. or somehow the previous donation monies would magically be used for this purpose. And that was never going to happen nor was I thinking it ever would. The Celis family has no interest in spending $$$ to investigate the disappearance. They might not even want the case to be solved (for obvious reasons). The Tucson P.D. is working the case and the Celis family are fine with that.

If a P.I. ever gets hired it will be by folks not connected to the case who take the task on to make it happen and pay for it themselves. So far no one has been that interested to pursue it.
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Madeleine74 said:
The hiring of a PI suggestion was made as an idea to WS posters who have been greatly frustrated and frantic about what they could do to help find Isa, not what the Celis family could do (or should do). I was only addressing the need of WS forum members who said they "were desperate to do something." And that would be something active and significant. And, since anyone can hire a PI (or a group of people can hire a PI), it doesn't require the approval of the Celis family.

You're not going to see the Celis family hire anyone. That's an expectation that will not be met.
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We get it, you made a suggestion to WS'ers-

Speaking for myself, I was addressing the question posed by Dr. Know (hi there DK :seeya:).

I found no similar cases where hiring a PI, led to the recovery of a child. Not to say it hasn't happened, just that internet research did not pop anything up for me.

I don't know what to say about this case anymore. I find it difficult to believe she was abducted from her bedroom. The only way I can see sweet Isa being alive at this point, is if the Celis' "sent" her away, probably to Mexico. I can think of a few reasons they would want to do that.
 
BetteDavisEyes said:
I've never been a fan of AMW, but has Isabel's disappearance ever been covered by John Walsh? Now that the program airs on Lifetime, there are new shows, i.e. Kyron Horman next week, so maybe we should write to AMW and see if the Celis case can be investigated.

I agree that Becky and Sergio will not hire a P.I. because they most likely know that Isabel will not be located alive. These parents really don't seem interested in searching for their "missing" daughter but have no qualms about accepting donations from the public. :sick:
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BBM

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=79914
 
Dr. Know? said:
I've searched and haven't found a PI that has found any child yet that has been missing. 4 years here has there been one? They do investigative work like we rookies do but have high tech equipment to eaves drop just sitting outside a resident and access to more legal info etc... Just curious.
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Never heard of a PI finding a missing child. They're good for surveillance on cheating spouses, and taking incriminating photos for divorce cases, or maybe surveillance work for somebody that thinks an employee is cheating on their expense account.

I'm not sure what you mean by they have access to more legal info. They have a lot LESS access than LE does. They can't request phone records, they can't get search warrants, they aren't authorized to make an arrest, they can't get information on patients at a hospital or clinic, they can't do a whole lot of things that a cop could do just by flashing their badges. They are pretty limited as to the resources they have. I don't really see how a PI could be much assistance, especially considering how much they charge for one day... something like 300 bucks a day, plus expenses.

But everybody to their own opinion.
 
I'm sorry to go off topic, but anything new about the guy who broke into a home a molested those young girls? I remember it was mentioned here not long after Isa went missing.

Back on topic:
I've always been on the fence about Isa's parents (I still am), but I must admit I'm puzzled by the donations. No reason to donate and keep accepting money if nothing is done to find Isa.
I really don't know what to think, but at this point I'm just repeating myself.
 
diamond12 said:
I'm sorry to go off topic, but anything new about the guy who broke into a home a molested those young girls? I remember it was mentioned here not long after Isa went missing.

Back on topic:
I've always been on the fence about Isa's parents (I still am), but I must admit I'm puzzled by the donations. No reason to donate and keep accepting money if nothing is done to find Isa.
I really don't know what to think, but at this point I'm just repeating myself.
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Absolutely nothing further on the stranger/molestation out east here. I personally have my doubts about that entire incident. The family left, the teen on video in the local store was cleared. Seems to be "case closed".
 
Knox said:
We get it, you made a suggestion to WS'ers-

Speaking for myself, I was addressing the question posed by Dr. Know (hi there DK :seeya:).
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I was answering YYCgirl, who kept asking if a PI had been hired and if the family had hired one yet. I had quoted her post, specifically.
 
TxLady2 said:
Never heard of a PI finding a missing child. They're good for surveillance on cheating spouses, and taking incriminating photos for divorce cases, or maybe surveillance work for somebody that thinks an employee is cheating on their expense account.

I'm not sure what you mean by they have access to more legal info. They have a lot LESS access than LE does. They can't request phone records, they can't get search warrants, they aren't authorized to make an arrest, they can't get information on patients at a hospital or clinic, they can't do a whole lot of things that a cop could do just by flashing their badges. They are pretty limited as to the resources they have. I don't really see how a PI could be much assistance, especially considering how much they charge for one day... something like 300 bucks a day, plus expenses.

But everybody to their own opinion.
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I didn't say they have MORE access than LE has. I have know idea why you came up with that. Please re read my post you quoted. There are database resources available to them, law offices, court reporters, police that we can't access. Rapid Court, LocatePlus and others. They pay for the services but you or I can't access their database unless we have the credentials. They have more info than you or I do.

I just asked has anyone ever read of one that has found a missing child.
 
Knox said:
We get it, you made a suggestion to WS'ers-

Speaking for myself, I was addressing the question posed by Dr. Know (hi there DK :seeya:).

I found no similar cases where hiring a PI, led to the recovery of a child. Not to say it hasn't happened, just that internet research did not pop anything up for me.

I don't know what to say about this case anymore. I find it difficult to believe she was abducted from her bedroom. The only way I can see sweet Isa being alive at this point, is if the Celis' "sent" her away, probably to Mexico. I can think of a few reasons they would want to do that.
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Hey Knox! :seeya:

I've searched and came up empty handed. I know there was Cobra, Steve Brown, the two in Caylee Anthony's case, the PI paid by a mysterious donor on Lisa Irwin's case, personaly know one out here & a friend of mine, her son is one. Google doesn't bring anything up nor have the ones mentioned ever found or solved a missing child's case yet. Not sure about in other countries though.

TPD said last week there are two full time detectives on Isabel's case. Sure hope they can find her & arrest whoever it may be.
 
Hiring a PI by forum members is obviously not of interest due to lack of proof/certainty they can find a child and the fact that it will cost $$$ to do so.

So what other ideas do the sleuthers have to help develop leads in the case?
 
Madeleine74 said:
Hiring a PI by forum members is obviously not of interest due to lack of proof/certainty they can find a child and the fact that it will cost $$$ to do so.

So what other ideas do the sleuthers have to help develop leads in the case?
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Keep contacting the media here in Tucson and some of the national "crime" programs. There's nothing much more *we* can do aside from that. Conducting any sort of search as rogues in this terrain is insane. Hiring a PI is moot and financially convoluted even if some generous souls were willing to contribute. Haunting or dogging the "players" is verboten and ill-conceived. So pressure on the media is the key. But certainly far from a guarantee of ANYthing.

JMO, blah, and etc.
 
pieper4 said:
Keep contacting the media here in Tucson and some of the national "crime" programs. There's nothing much more *we* can do aside from that. Conducting any sort of search as rogues in this terrain is insane. Hiring a PI is moot and financially convoluted even if some generous souls were willing to contribute. Haunting or dogging the "players" is verboten and ill-conceived. So pressure on the media is the key. But certainly far from a guarantee of ANYthing.

JMO, blah, and etc.
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We should all write of local and state representatives) every day) to propose new and stricter laws against people who tamper "with corpses", "crime and accident scenes" "waste resources and energy of LE officials and general public". Maybe in some cases the reverse, maybe in some cases immunity could be granted of some sort in order to close some of these heart breaking cases of our missing little ones. Bless them all.
 
iSleuth said:
We should all write of local and state representatives) every day) to propose new and stricter laws against people who tamper "with corpses", "crime and accident scenes" "waste resources and energy of LE officials and general public". Maybe in some cases the reverse, maybe in some cases immunity could be granted of some sort in order to close some of these heart breaking cases of our missing little ones. Bless them all.
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It's already a felony to do any of the above. What is stricter than a prison term of possibly decades?

Granting immunity is a tactic solely at the discretion of the DA. It can't be legislated into a law. It's used quite often already to cut deals for information leading to a prosecution.
 
I'm not getting this story at all any longer. I thought the LE said offically, they believed that Isabel was still alive. Based on what?

This is sounding to me, like the current day Gabbiee Swainson story, they also are saying she's alive. Yet blood and hair on ducttape was found in the neighbor's home.

It all sounds fishy to me.

What does the LE know anyway, have they ever released anything at all that would lead them or the FBI to say she's alive? It flies in the face of logic otherwise.

:( And of course, I'd love it, if they had one iota of true evidence to believe this offically.
No one would love it more then I would in both cases.

They need to speak out to the public. Eventually, it seems. Do they believe someone borrowed her to raise her in Mexico? IF so, then why not tell the public this. What can be the harm in alleviating their angst, concerns, etc about this little girl. Why won't they tell us something?
 
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