Babcock Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #5

[Grey-St]

Perhaps morally, but not legally.

I think most folks would agree, that this is exactly why she's dangerous.

 

[andreww]

Interesting article on Paradkar here

 

[Typhoo1961]

I have no doubt that someone is funding her travels.

Her parents is my guess.

 

[caseyjonesin905]

Interesting article on Paradkar here

I remember that - his account became private immediately after.. SMH

 

[Typhoo1961]

I often wonder how she funds all that she does...

Parents.

 

[saulgoodman]

Would this be the case still since he had a do not contact list a mile long?

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Who was on that list? If that is how DM got the letters out, I am certain, they were addressed to someone other than CN and passed on to CN.

 

[Sphinx]

I can’t remember the exact date, but I’m pretty sure it was either after the verdict or during deliberations. It’s on sound cloud if you search ‘900CHML’

Re: contact visits, I can’t say for certain but I know in DM’s jailhouse interviews for the Spec and the Star (I think) it was mentioned that it was an interview done through glass. Believe it was the same with the interview with Smich.

I would assume that the accused in a 1st degree murder case are denied the right to be able to have physical contact with their visitors, especially in a case this high profile.

Wasn't there a female accountant, who really only had the qualifications of a book keeper, who visited DM when he was first in prison ? I believe she testified that she had to go over some accounts with him. Perhaps she had contact visits to let him sign some papers. IMO

 

[Grey-St]

Interesting article on Paradkar here

:sick: Wow, I'd kind of put nothing past him after reading that...

 

[canadiangirl]

Who was on that list? If that is how DM got the letters out, I am certain, they were addressed to someone other than CN and passed on to CN.

That information was under a publication ban IIRC

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[palisadesk]

That information was under a publication ban IIRc

We learned during the TB trial who many of the ones on the no contact list were - CN of course and most of his merry band of co-felons. But, following up on the Canada Post idea, all he had to do was mail those letters to MB, with no address or salutation using CN's name/address, and with a nudge nudge wink wink understanding between MB and DM the letters would be passed on directly to her. Indeed this latter part was part of evidence in the TB trial. DM was also corresponding with other young females I recall, including one of RB's daughters. After all he didn't have much else to do.

I doubt correspondence addressed to his mother would have been scrutinized closely.

 

[billandrew]

And for the record, I don't think he's a stupid clueless sidekick. He had his share of power in the relationship. It was just a different type of power.

I like where you're going with this, ABro. Care to elaborate or expand?

Bump for ABro's thoughts on MS's power in the relationship with DM. Here are my own thoughts:

On the one hand, there are many points to support MS as a vulnerable and subordinate party. He was essentially a dependant of DM, relying on him for basic needs like food and shelter, as well as phones and transportation. He was broke, addicted to booze and cigarettes, hadn't completed high school, had no real job, didn't have a driver's licence, etc. He was a pathetic figure in so many ways. He was doing odd jobs for DM like painting and cleaning. The tone of many of their text conversations makes MS seem insecure and childish, while DM is clearly in control and making the decisions.

On the other hand, I see a willingness on MS's part to be a participant in criminal activities that did not strictly arise from his subordinacy or manipulation by DM. Rather, IMO he saw an opportunity through DM to make his criminal fantasies a reality. The prime example is that photo in front of the incinerator: there's Say10 (satan), proudly holding the ash scraper (pitchfork) in front of the incinerator (a fiery hell) while his victim burns. The expression on his face does not suggest that DM forced him to pose for that photo. IMO he appears to be carrying out a mission that is as much his as it is DM's. In many ways MS was DM's lackey, but when it came to murder he was an equal partner.

 

[andreww]

:sick: Wow, I'd kind of put nothing past him after reading that...

Say what you want about him, the man knows how to market himself. He realizes that guys with big drug charges likely have big dollars that they are desperate to spend to stay out of jail. I'll bet every drug dealer in the city has got this guy's number in their wallet.

 

[caseyjonesin905]

We learned during the TB trial who many of the ones on the no contact list were - CN of course and most of his merry band of co-felons. But, following up on the Canada Post idea, all he had to do was mail those letters to MB, with no address or salutation using CN's name/address, and with a nudge nudge wink wink understanding between MB and DM the letters would be passed on directly to her. Indeed this latter part was part of evidence in the TB trial. DM was also corresponding with other young females I recall, including one of RB's daughters. After all he didn't have much else to do.

I doubt correspondence addressed to his mother would have been scrutinized closely.

MS was also charged for contact with MM while he wasn't supposed to - I can't remember if we heard how that contact took place though..
https://www.thespec.com/news-story/5262706-co-accused-in-bosma-murder-case-faces-new-charge/

 

[Sphinx]

CN seems to be doing a lot of travelling these days- I have no doubt that someone is funding her travels. She's performed well on the stand, she's taken a lot of heat and spent a couple months in jail. IMO, her and Rabbit are far from estranged. Like I said earlier- CN is a very smart cookie. MOO

She knows a lot about Rabbit too, and likely is keeping more damaging secrets to herself because Rabbit is still a rich woman, and can choose to help her out. IMO

 

[caseyjonesin905]

She knows a lot about Rabbit too, and likely is keeping more damaging secrets to herself because Rabbit is still a rich woman, and can choose to help her out. IMO

Would she really have access to that money yet?? How does that work? Especially if MB and WM were divorced.. Can DM have reasonable access to that inheritance if he's found guilty of killing WM? Might be why he's not choosing to represent himself in his fathers murder - there's a ton of cash on the line.. I read on another post (by Ms. Elle) that MB sold her house and moved to Keswick.. She likely got a pretty penny for that house in Kleinburg.. She could easily have bought something just as nice for less and still live the lifestyle shes used to.. comfy, not rich.. I could be wrong though..

 

[LadyL]

[bbm]

disagree - I think they opened every letter he mailed out
maybe he knew someone on the inside who had personal visits that he could transfer the letters through

We learned during the TB trial who many of the ones on the no contact list were - CN of course and most of his merry band of co-felons. But, following up on the Canada Post idea, all he had to do was mail those letters to MB, with no address or salutation using CN's name/address, and with a nudge nudge wink wink understanding between MB and DM the letters would be passed on directly to her. Indeed this latter part was part of evidence in the TB trial. DM was also corresponding with other young females I recall, including one of RB's daughters. After all he didn't have much else to do.

I doubt correspondence addressed to his mother would have been scrutinized closely.

 

[Grey-St]

I've been googling this morning with no luck on finding what I am seeking.

Maybe I dreamed it, but here goes and if anyone remembers this, or can find a link to it, I'd really appreciate it.

I recall, back in the early goings of the Tim Bosma case when Deepak Paradkar was still representing him, that there was an "emergency" in camera hearing and an immediate publication ban. It was right after this hearing that Deepak Paradkar withdrew from DM's "team" and Ravin Pillay took over.

You think I can find anything in msm to back this up? No!!! But I am sure it happened.

When the jailhouse letters became known I immediately remembered this particular event and thought that Paradkar was involved in some way.

If he was, and if he was sanctioned in some way, that is probably still held under a publication ban until the WM trial is finished.

Does anyone else remember this?

I also remember this. So you're not crazy.
You're right though, it's really hard to find the specifics of this in MSM... I'll probably be searching all afternoon/evening as I'm off today, so hopefully I can track something down... It's bothering me now!

 

[Jealoushe]

Interesting article on Paradkar here

Classy piece of work there

 

[LadyL]

I just had a thought ... is it possible they were reading the letters, making copies, and resealing/mailing?

 

[winter2017]

If you see the house they live in they are not wealthy. If they paid for the very high priced lawyer she had , I don't know how they would have the money to pay for her trips. Unless they are somehow getting money from a source. I think it could be possible the mother of DM is giving her money. Maybe CN knew something about the mother and so to keep her quiet the mother is giving her money. She could be using the assets DM transferred to her to give money to CN. Anything, in this case, is possible, it is such a bizarre case.

Her parents is my guess.