Al-righty now. I have read entire thread so far.
Now I ask this question.
Where was CA? Sleeping???? Answer with expanded version I can envision JB telling: MY STORY ONLY .... JB it's plagiarism if you use any of this in your future tales. And yes, I will sue.
OK, let's say CA is sleeping. So GA somehow figures out Caylee is missing. Goes to ICA and whispers "Caylee's missing" and the two of them quietly as a mouse so not to wake CA or the dogs (side note, Yorkies are chatty little things, I have own them and they are NOT QUIET dogs) go on a room to room search. Lifting sofas, bed linens, open closet doors, kitchen cabinets, stereo cabinet doors, bathroom cabinets and shower curtains, Caylee's room, under the crib turned into toddler bed, in the closets ......... wait they couldn't go into the master bedroom and look to see if Caylee crawled into bed with CA or look in the master bathroom tub to see if Caylee was there because that would alert CA that no one had paid attention to Caylee in the early morning hours when she was supposed to be sleeping. Only CA has the ability to hear sleeping noises through closed doors.
So they creep through the patio door, feeding the dogs treats so they would keep quiet, and did a do-diligence search IN THE DARK without turning on lights so as not to alert CA but use a flashlight after bumbling around to find it. Gingerly ICA went to one side of the house, stubbed her toe and under her breath mumbled a TOS word. Meanwhile GA tiptoes over by the pool, which is by the master bedroom kicking the dogs to keep them quiet, shines the flashlight around the pool, thinks he sees something. Gets the ladder. Climbs in and finds Caylee climbs out. ICA appears and GA in a whisper says "look what you have done, your mother will blame you" so get rid of her. I'll take care of your mother in the morning when she leaves for work, DO NOT COME OUT OF YOUR ROOM. Keep Caylee with you or there will be trouble and you will go to jail. No one will believe your story. Only I can save you.
BBM
This questions isn't just to thedeviledadvocate, it's to anyone that can answer it. I don't get the significance in this. Does this mean that there wasn't decomp smell in the car at that time? George says it was overwhelming when he picked it up. Casey says in a text that the smell is there, and it smells like death. So I don't understand the need to plant doubt about the car smelling at this time (in the towyard.)
FWIW: The DT in the trial I served on did the same thing. The accused did end up testifying in his own defense.
Not to mention what he said about Lee
How he was taking into his father's footsteps, although it didn't go that far..
He says
"It got so bad that the FBI tested his DNA to see if he was Caylee's father"
Now, how the hell does it not go as far as George, but far enough that the FBI tests Lee's DNA, which suggests a hell of a lot more than what they were saying about George?
And when did Lee ever deny the allegations, and say that when the time is right he would talk about it?
And too, if George Anthony was walking around the yard with a dead child, I am so sure someone would have seen him. They sure seen Casey back her car into the garage!
I wonder if anyone will bring up the A's dogs. They had two, IIRC correctly Cindy said they followed Caylee eveywhere...where were the dogs when ICA and George were supposedly searching?
BBM
This questions isn't just to thedeviledadvocate, it's to anyone that can answer it. I don't get the significance in this. Does this mean that there wasn't decomp smell in the car at that time? George says it was overwhelming when he picked it up. Casey says in a text that the smell is there, and it smells like death. So I don't understand the need to plant doubt about the car smelling at this time (in the towyard.)
" using a murder story to cover an accident..."
actually, the story is, she accidentally drown. where is murder alluded?
imo only the state has called it murder?
ica old story was kidnapping, but the new story is bad daddy frightened her into saying that. right?
actually I love what you've proposed here. i get the point, that the story is so preposterous, it is by its nature unbelievable. especially compared to the so called truth that it was an accident.
I just don't see the "murder story to cover an accident..."
ica old story: kidnapping
jb new story:accident and they were just trying to hide the body, and the entire event, as if Caylee's disappearance from this earth would never be discovered. and dirty old Kronk somehow ("we'll never know how") got the body and tried to make money off it.
and somehow the idea that a former detective would try and hide an accidental drowning victim's body is just as outlandish as anything else, even a murder story to hide an accident. because noone is gonna believe that a former detective would believe they could pull that off. you don't just erase a child and get away with it.
what do you think?
JB wants the jury to believe that while ICA and GA were in the Anthony home, somehow this scenario occurred: Caylee Marie tiptoed thrru the house, slid open the patio door and then very quietly closed it behind her, stealthily crept over to the pool, climbed up the pool ladder which had miraculously been connected to the pool again...then Caylee Marie, knowing how careful her grandparents were with her and that pool, stood facing that deep expanse of water (remember how tiny she was) boldly jumped in anyway and silently drowned herself to free ICA who just didn't want her anymore but didn't want anyone else to have her. Leave it to ICA, who, fed up rotting in jail and only getting baloney sandwiches, consumed with jealousy and resentment, took almost three years to come up with this alibi....she would blame Caylee Marie for killing herself. ICA was so misled by her deteriorating brain cells, going nutz in her private cell, thought this clever concept would allow her to get away with murder. It could have been an almost perfect murder, but rage, acting in haste, (such a waste) and duct tape got in the way of ICA. All of this is really not her fault, of course.
(Sorry for all the run-on sentences - my brain just doesn't think in paragraphs and it is too old and worn to be trained. I know it was silly and childish to write this, but I just lost it and can't stand any more of this stupid waste of taxpayer's money.)
Karma is going to take care of ICA.
It does not mean there was no horrendous odor in the car. There was. However, SB is very knowledgeable about the smell of human decomp in relation to a car. After finding the white trash bag, he then allowed the car with a terrible smell to be driven away. Under oath he said he would not allow a vehicle to leave his lot if it had evidence in it. This means he must have thought he had been mistaken about the odor of human decomp, and that it was instead the odor of rotten garbage, or he would never have let the car leave his lot. If he honestly believed it was the smell of human decomp, he would have called the police. If he still believed the odor was from human decomp, then it follows that he should have called the police because human decomp in the trunk of a car is almost certainly evidence of a crime.
In other words, JB was trying to raise reasonable doubt as to whether or not the horrendous smell was from human decomp or from trash. The testimonies stated they thought it was human decomp, but the witnesses actions were the actions that would have been taken if the odor was caused from trash.
As always, my entire post is my opinion only.
CA was at work.
Also, another question to ponder. Wouldn't the DT's "theory" make more sense if GA wasn't there? I could see it happening (for the sake of argument) when ICA was there alone - then she panics to hide the tragedy from CA and GA...but if GA was there, and CA was going to find out anyway...why hide the body? What would the point be of NOT calling 9-11??
It does not mean there was no horrendous odor in the car. There was. However, SB is very knowledgeable about the smell of human decomp in relation to a car. After finding the white trash bag, he then allowed the car with a terrible smell to be driven away. Under oath he said he would not allow a vehicle to leave his lot if it had evidence in it. This means he must have thought he had been mistaken about the odor of human decomp, and that it was instead the odor of rotten garbage, or he would never have let the car leave his lot. If he honestly believed it was the smell of human decomp, he would have called the police. If he still believed the odor was from human decomp, then it follows that he should have called the police because human decomp in the trunk of a car is almost certainly evidence of a crime.
In other words, JB was trying to raise reasonable doubt as to whether or not the horrendous smell was from human decomp or from trash. The testimonies stated they thought it was human decomp, but the witnesses actions were the actions that would have been taken if the odor was caused from trash.
As always, my entire post is my opinion only.
The psych evals? I suppose it was confirmed that Casey is a compulsive liar, and a whole lot of other stuff, and so they chose to explain her psychosis by blaiming the parents and especially George.
Have a look at Casey's expressions when she's talking to her lawyer
http://www.wftv.com/video/28057616/index.html
Yes, I see what you mean.
When I say murder to cover an accident, I mean once they found Caylee's body with duct tape, it did look like murder and while it was never spoken outright, it was implied that Zanny was the murderer. Of course Jose was going to explain all of this to us at the trial and then we'd all understand. Ya right.
So technically, she is saying she tried to cover an accidental drowning with a kidnapping, you are right on that, but either way to cover an accident, which happens all the time and is totally believable to a nanny kidnapped and murdered the child (once Caylee was found we were supposed to believe that the nanny did it).
It's just bass akwards, KWIM?? It's sooo out there for a person to do that, never mind two seemly normal people to do it together. The odds of that are just too improbable. Especailly when there was no good reason to hide an accident. Were the two of them that scared of Cindy that they would go through all of this rather than say an accident happened.
Was their fear of Cindy that much greater than their love for Caylee? I don't think so, at least not for George.
I am figuring that, in this internet age, he will be quite finished after this case. Even potential clients who themselves have not first hand seen accounts of his bumbling off towards an abyss to plummet into, will have people around them that have, and may warn the potential client.
Besides, I have this notion that, after this trial, Baez will get embroiled in a huge aftermath. I think Casey will sue him, as will her parents. Roy Kronk even may, depending how this all still pans out....
I rather feel for Baez next of kin, who will be feeling the fallout as well. Socio-economically I mean. Ripple-effects can carry far.
Even though they already admitted that Caylee was dead, and both George and Casey knew it? Why pretend that the odor wasn't death then? This is what I don't get. With the new theory that Caylee died at home, why bother with this?