Baez - Just Lost The Trial

[fifteen89]

If I understand this correctly and have my dates straight, the opening statements don't matter BECAUSE:

- they state that Caylee drowned on June 16th in the morning.

Forget whether bodies float or sink, forget who found whom where, who cried, who screamed, who didn't hear it, who found the body, stole it, etc. etc.

GEORGE had to be at work at 3:00. He testified he saw KC and Caylee leave some time after NOON.

KC made a flurry of phone calls on June 16th in the afternoon, around 4:00 pm or so, one of them to Cindy, asking her to BABYSIT.

A dead child does not need a babysitter. If Caylee died on June 16th, she died AFTER her grandpa went to work, and when she was alone with her mother. Case closed, as far as I'm concerned.

JB screwed up when he picked June 16 as the "drowning day".

Apparently Casey was too much in fear of George to go against his master plan.....she was hoping Cindy wouldn't notice that Caylee wasn't there while she was babysitting for her. Yep, that's an excellent plan.

 

[wandering]

IMO the 'name' JB is making for himself ain't a very good one. I sure wouldn't bother calling him to see if he's available to represent me if I was in need of legal services. I mentioned this earlier - IIRC Casey got JB's name from another inmate. Not exactly a glowing recommendation, imo.

I read that he has been in practice only six years. That would explain the numerous objections to his statements and questions, and all the sidebars. He obviously doesn't have enough experience in courtroom procedure.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Something else I wanted to comment on. It was 6 weeks ago that George and Cindy learned that Casey was going to accuse George of molesting her as a child. I believe George and Cindy intended to tell the truth at trial the entire time and felt they owned nothing to the media that created the circus, BUT - as far as them no longer supporting Casey - Casey has, through her attorney, admitted that Caylee was dead and she knew it the entire time that Cindy and George were looking for her. Six weeks ago they learned beyond a shadow of a doubt that the entire Zanny story was a lie. They now know that Caylee died on June 16th, they know she didn't drown in the pool, they know George did not cover up the death or hide the body of his beloved granddaughter, they know that everything Casey has told them is a lie and that Casey killed Caylee. Reality has hit them big time which accounts for the their change in attitude toward Casey, however, as I have said all along, I expected them to tell the truth in court, just like George did for the Grand Jury.

 

[mikeysmommom]

IMO Baez opening statement was more like the plot of a very badly scripted Perry Mason episode.JOSE you are not the Hispanic Perry Mason your more like Jackie Mason(Comedian).

 

[panthera]

No one seemed to notice the most glaringly obvious falsity in the defense story. Who starts screaming "Where is (toddler's name)?" before looking for said toddler? I have a toddler in the house. Sometimes she wanders off into another room or has crawled under a table or behind something. When she does, I call out for her or I go find her. I don't suddenly start screaming "Where is she???" and then go looking.

Does Baez seriously want us to believe that George, former LE, went into panic mode over Caylee's whereabouts before he even looked for her? Really? And this man who was so emotionally attached to the child that he started screaming simply because she wasn't in his sight did absolutely nothing to try to save her when he found her in the pool but instead made an instant decision to hide the body, or apparently to ask the meter reader to hide it. Didn't they think that Cindy would wonder where Caylee was? It makes absolutely no sense. If any juror believe such horse crap, it's time to do a major overhaul of our justice system.

First of all, if the DT wanted to have an "accomplice" in their accidental drowning/disposal theory they selected the wrong person with GA. There is no way I would ever believe GA would panic, and dispose of his beloved granddaughter even *if* she had drowned in the pool under his watch. And what was his relationship with RK supposed to be that RK suddenly became involved, had possession of Caylee's remains, to collect reward money? In other words, why would GA involve RK in this scenario, not knowing that RK wouldn't turn him in and GA could have ended up in jail charged with murder? None of it makes any sense.

MOO

 

[fifteen89]

Is having JB as your attorney considered a mitigating circumstance under Florida law?

LMAO! Thanks, I needed that!!!!

 

[wandering]

I thought George was rather short? Not even 5' 5", IIRC.

Here is Cindy's testimony about the pool, thanks to Chiquita:
behind is our swimming pool

LDB: how high is the, what I will call the lip the top edge?

a little over four feet, under five

LDB: if you are standing next to it how high on your person is the lip

depends where I am in the yard, on level just above my breast.

LDB: the lowest point on your person?

probably chin level, below? If I am standing on the lower part...just below my chin. The reason being because beyond the pool there is almost a foot difference um a step down, once you get around the corner there is a step down. when we put the pool in the yard slopped, maybe a foot difference.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I hope KC asks for a deal now.............and the SA tell her NO!

 

[Sooner Fan#1]

I haven't read this whole thread yet, but it reminded me of what Mike Brooks said on Nancy Grace last week.

The Anthony's Don't use chlorine in their pool. They use a product called BACQUACIL ....It is chlorine free and there is NO Smell. I remember GA telling them this, however, Mike Brooks said wet towels and bathing suits, if left in the trunk, could cause excessive amounts of chlorine/chloroform . We use this in our pool. I wanted to scream at him and throw my shoe through the tv...but it's our new 62 plasma.....so I refrained. Do your homework people! (Mike Brooks)

http://www.baquacil.com/

 

[Quiche]

First of all, if the DT wanted to have an "accomplice" in their accidental drowning/disposal theory they selected the wrong person with GA. There is no way I would ever believe GA would panic, and dispose of his beloved granddaughter even *if* she had drowned in the pool under his watch. And what was his relationship with RK supposed to be that RK suddenly became involved, had possession of Caylee's remains, to collect reward money? In other words, why would GA involve RK in this scenario, not knowing that RK wouldn't turn him in and GA could have ended up in jail charged with murder? None of it makes any sense.

MOO

He didn't even dispose of her, did he? He put her in KC's trunk so that she could go over to her boyfriends for the rest of the month? I have no idea what these jurors are thinking right now, but I image they are scratching their heads. mo

 

[Chilly Willy]

First of all, if the DT wanted to have an "accomplice" in their accidental drowning/disposal theory they selected the wrong person with GA. There is no way I would ever believe GA would panic, and dispose of his beloved granddaughter even *if* she had drowned in the pool under his watch. And what was his relationship with RK supposed to be that RK suddenly became involved, had possession of Caylee's remains, to collect reward money? In other words, why would GA involve RK in this scenario, not knowing that RK wouldn't turn him in and GA could have ended up in jail charged with murder? None of it makes any sense.

MOO

Who in their right mind would ask their meter reader, a stranger, to hide the body of a child? What are the chances that:

1) A mother would not call 911 when her child is found in the pool not breathing,

AND
2) A grandfather who was known to love the child more than his own life would decide to hide the child's body rather than call for help,

AND
3) A meter reader would somehow find child's body or would conspire to hide the body and, instead of reporting it to the police, would hold onto it hoping to claim a reward at some later point in time

After much fumbling around, Baez eventually declared that Caylee died early in the morning. Before breakfast? I don't know about anyone else, but unless my granddaughter wets through her PJs overnight, I don't get her dressed in her daytime clothes until well after breakfast. Why wasn't Caylee wearing her jammers?

 

[fifteen89]

what date did she text amy about the death smell,

On the calander of days it says on the 17 of JUNE she was driving Toni jeep.

Where was her car? Also she had called GA again this day.

Here is June 17th 2008. Very interesting and Casey is upset this day and not using her car.
http://www.acandyrose.com/casey_anthony_31days-061708.htm

Wait a sec.....darnit. Where did I put that gigantic calendar? I can't find it anywhere..... <sorry, couldn't resist!>

 

[DairyGirl]

When JB started in on RK in the OS it was almost as if he had found out a lot of dirt on RK and he just had to find a way to tie him to the disposal. He knew he could make him look bad and would make a great suspect. The only problem was he wasn't.

 

[Turnadot]

Here is Cindy's testimony about the pool, thanks to Chiquita:
behind is our swimming pool

LDB: how high is the, what I will call the lip the top edge?

a little over four feet, under five

LDB: if you are standing next to it how high on your person is the lip

depends where I am in the yard, on level just above my breast.

LDB: the lowest point on your person?

probably chin level, below? If I am standing on the lower part...just below my chin. The reason being because beyond the pool there is almost a foot difference um a step down, once you get around the corner there is a step down. when we put the pool in the yard slopped, maybe a foot difference.

I know what Cindy testified. You indicated in your post that George was very tall, and was one of the reasons Darnudes' theory didn't hold up. IIRC, George isn't tall. I'm open to being wrong on that.

Not to discount your theory, darnudes, but it seems to me, from Cindy's description of the pool height, and George being very tall, he wouldn't have had to climb into the pool to retrieve Caylee, nor would he have had to use the ladder to reach her. She would have been floating...

ETA: I don't believe the pool story.

Bold & Colour by me.

 

[my2sense]

If I understand this correctly and have my dates straight, the opening statements don't matter BECAUSE:

- they state that Caylee drowned on June 16th in the morning.

Forget whether bodies float or sink, forget who found whom where, who cried, who screamed, who didn't hear it, who found the body, stole it, etc. etc.

GEORGE had to be at work at 3:00. He testified he saw KC and Caylee leave some time after NOON.

KC made a flurry of phone calls on June 16th in the afternoon, around 4:00 pm or so, one of them to Cindy, asking her to BABYSIT.

A dead child does not need a babysitter. If Caylee died on June 16th, she died AFTER her grandpa went to work, and when she was alone with her mother. Case closed, as far as I'm concerned.

JB screwed up when he picked June 16 as the "drowning day".

:clap::gthanks:

 

[txanmom]

I think he lost the jurors when he couldn't decide when it happened:
"Early morning hours the exact time is not known...it could have been early afternoon...early morning...actually it was the early morning hours...." Sounded like he was making it up as he was going.

HUH?

this may have already been mentioned many times, i haven't made my way all the way down this thread, but ca also mentioned ica called around 4pm for a babysitter. now why would she do that, what if ca said yes? she would have to scramble her way out of it if caylee would have already drowned in the pool. although, this is assuming ca is telling the truth about that convo.

 

[Silkprint]

I actually can picture JB forcing himself to sit down and 'work on ' his opening statment over months and months ...like a kid that has to do a project for school but doesn't really feel like it and doesn't bother proof - reading the whole thing through once more before he turns it in .
So the end result was a thrown together mess that he feel he spent months and months working on .

 

[21merc7]

bbm

Personally I think there are only two explanations for this

1. Because Casey Anthony told him to
2. Because Baez and ICA are getting even with every person who they believe have slighted them

Now the first proposition is most likely the correct one - Never underestimate the hatred ICA has for her parents, she wants them in prison where she is and if that's not possible, then she wants them to suffer and suffer big time.

The second proposition whilst on the surface seems unlikely, needs closer inspection. Listen or watch Baez's opening statement again - throughout every aspect of his presentation he is once again recalling each and every motion he lost before the court, every person, every entity he ever had a problem with is brought up in his opening statement and then slandered.

I believe that Baez's opening statement was a fanciful work of fiction aimed at targeting all the people or organizations that Baez and ICA hate and have long held grudges against.

Having watched this day (opening) of the trial again I've come to the conclusion that the defense strategy is a combination of ICA and Baez's shared delusions and psychopathy. I think they both enjoy feeding off the other and hence we've witnessed that "hot mess" of a defense opening statement.

I'll say this again, I can't for the life of me understand why Mason is a party to such a sham.

Just dragging this over here.

 

[fifteen89]

Also, in my opinion, if Casey had been a victim of molestation, not only would she allow her daughter around GA/LA, but she would also not be having a sleep-over with RM which had Caylee in the same bed. Many victims are very protective of their children around all men, not just the abuser. I believe the testimony from RM blew the defense theory.

MOO

Exactly.

 

[Solace]

So according to Baez, CAylee died at 11 a.m. on June 16th; he confronted KC who grabbed CAylee and cried and cried and cried until 11:47 where she stopped crying long enough to upload some new pictures of herself on Facebook. Then George disposed of Caylee after he wrapped tape around her mouth and I guess he did this in the trunk area where he dumped about a gallon of chloroform in the trunk. Then he took her to the woods and dumped her, but then he brought her back and put her in the trunk so Casey could ride around with the body for a few days whereupon shewas again dumped in the woods and there she stayed until Roy Kronk found her in November who decided to remove the body KNOWING it was CAYLEE and that she would be worth some money - SO he held on to the body until December where he put her BACK and called the police. Sounds right to me. What's the problem.? I am going to say it is highly possible KC may get the death penalty. Not only does she kill the baby (already instant aggravating circumstance number 1) but she keeps her parents wondering for three years (although we all know the knew she killed her) and then adds insult to injury by saying George molested her for years and EXPECTS,EXPECTS her mother to go along. The jury will take this into considertion. This is worse than the lawyer who said in another case "all they have is DNA, that is all they have. Took the jury less than an hour to convict. KC really does need to go away for the rest of her life.