GUILTY Bali - Bali Nine, Australians arrested for heroin trafficking, 2005

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Me too Brightbird, me too.
Maybe there should be huge signs in our airports BEFORE they get on the planes and reminding them that 'this is your last chance, you're on your own past this point think again before it's too late'. Toilets this way.

Group hug, light a candle? That only makes us feel better. Imagine the fear walking in their shoes tonight.

I am considering getting drunk, turning up the music and cleaning the house. Feeling very troubled about the world today, in particular.
 
I am considering getting drunk, turning up the music and cleaning the house. Feeling very troubled about the world today, in particular.

I'm busy consoling my very destraught daughter & I've exhausted all avenues....I just don't know what else to say.
 
BBM.

Oh with respect, that's utter nonsense. First of all, if that were true, savage murderers would not get off with much less than death. Heather Mack (10 years for premeditated, for-profit murder) and Tommy Schaefer (18 years) were not the first.

And then there's this: "189 Indonesian death sentences were suspended thanks to diplomatic efforts - and in some cases, money paid - by Indonesia,The Sunday Telegraph reports. The Indonesians who won reprieves were convicted of crimes which included drug smuggling in Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, China, Iran and Singapore."
Totally untrue that Indonesians see drug offenses as evil as murder. It's either less so there, or it's only evil unless their own citizens are doing it in another country. The suddenly it is not so evil.

For whatever reason the trafficking of large quantities of drugs is punishable by death in Indonesia, this is not a secret to anybody, especially Australians who have been made well aware with it over the years, and in particular leading up to the arrest of the Bali 9 after the Schapelle Corby case which was a media sensation at the time. We can feel this is unfair, or barbaric etc, but it is the right of a sovereign country to have their own laws on their books. I assume the people who won reprieves either paid a bribe or used that other winning strategy when dealing with Indonesian courts, they kept a low profile.
 
I am considering getting drunk, turning up the music and cleaning the house. Feeling very troubled about the world today, in particular.

Brightbird I rarely drink but I'm up for getting drunk with you but you're on your own cleaning your house.
 
For whatever reason the trafficking of large quantities of drugs is punishable by death in Indonesia, this is not a secret to anybody, especially Australians who have been made well aware with it over the years, and in particular leading up to the arrest of the Bali 9 after the Schapelle Corby case which was a media sensation at the time. We can feel this is unfair, or barbaric etc, but it is the right of a sovereign country to have their own laws on their books. I assume the people who won reprieves either paid a bribe or used that other winning strategy when dealing with Indonesian courts, they kept a low profile.

Australian's might be well aware of the death penalty for drugs in SE Asia, but in reality we don't see it enforced. Until now, that is. The odds of a) getting caught, b) being sentenced to death and c) actually being executed, are so low that I really don't agree with the argument of "you knew the risk, so pay the price". There's actually been very little real life examples that drug trafficking between Indonesia and Australia results in death.

I don't think anyone here is questioning Indonesia's right to execute them. I'm anti DP to start with, and I don't make exceptions just because it's another country's law. I think it's wrong, not illegal. Then add to that the allegations of corruption, and the fact that the executions could be stopped and it would be just as legal as executing them. So yeah I think it's unfair, even by Indonesian standards.

A high profile didn't hurt Schapelle Corby, and a low profile hasn't helped the other prisoners already executed or soon to be this year.
 
I actually think the high profile did hurt Schapelle Corby, I think the combination of keeping a low profile and paying a bribe can work wonders in Indonesia. I'm anti DP too, but I do think that we as a collective did know the risks of trafficking drugs in SE Asia.
 
I urge all on this forum to read either "Hotel K" or "Snowing in Bali. Amazing these guys were unable to walk outside and get some fresh whilst handcuffed. Sorry I am going to have a little ramble here..quote from "Hotel K", page 50.

Iwan dubbed "Godfather" by the press was sentenced to a further three years for the weapons.

With his case finally over, Iwan threw himself into new legitimate and old illicit businesses inside Hotel K. He converted a building near the tennis court, previously used by an inmate as a printing factory, into a furniture workshop. He invested $US50,000.00 of his own money in buying machinery and he paid 42 prisoners small weekly salaries to work in the factory. Even those with little skill could put their long and boring jail hours to use. Iwan's smartly dressed customers from Spain and the USA were welcomed through Hotel K's front doors like official jail guests. They were escorted down the paths past the many staring faces of the curious prisoners who were usually loitering in the yard or sitting around drinking beers and smoking dope. When these clients walked into Iwan's workshop, furniture was the last thing on their minds.

Behind the front lines of noisy machines and flying sawdust, prisoners were quietly pressing and packing ecstasy pills. Iwan's clients could breeze in and out without fear of being searched. Police were not allowed inside unless they got a warrant, which meant Iwan would get ample warning from the guards on his payroll to hide the drugs. Furniture moving trucks freely drove in and out of the jails service gate. Tens of thousands of ecstasy pills packed inside his high end speakers. Under the guise of going to his showroom, the business magnate easily slipped in and out of Hotel K, with the guards or prisoners working as doormen ready to swing open the wooden doors whenever Iwan walked out and disappeared for the day or night.
unquote.

HYPOCRISY at it' best. What a travesty.

Emirates, I have recently read Hotel Kerobokan. It is a page-turner and quite illuminating to say the least.
 
We are lighting two candles tonight, and our house will remain quiet as our thoughts flow to Andrew and Myuran … to wish them godspeed, and strength amongst all this adversity.

They have done all they can to reform and pay penance for their mistakes. They have spent the last 10 years doing only good for their fellow man.

A quieter place is waiting for them – where they can paint and pray and feel calm and beauty.

Their spirits will live on. They will never be forgotten.

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http://www.news.com.au/world/bali-n...alt-another-blow/story-fndir2ev-1227190042710
 
I will try and follow your lead, SA. Anger is getting the better of me today, but I don't want to dwell on it like that.
 
For whatever reason the trafficking of large quantities of drugs is punishable by death in Indonesia, this is not a secret to anybody, especially Australians who have been made well aware with it over the years, and in particular leading up to the arrest of the Bali 9 after the Schapelle Corby case which was a media sensation at the time. We can feel this is unfair, or barbaric etc, but it is the right of a sovereign country to have their own laws on their books. I assume the people who won reprieves either paid a bribe or used that other winning strategy when dealing with Indonesian courts, they kept a low profile.

I do understand the point you are trying to make, Mrs. G, I do. I see both sides of this. Admittedly when I first read about this case I had little sympathy for them.

I'm usually quite harsh on any type of crime and you are correct, they knew what they were getting themselves into. But this case has helped open my eyes and realize that things aren't always so black and white. I dunno...maybe I've even been wrong about my support of the death penalty for 1st degree murder in the US. Just recently an article came out about admitted flaws in FBI DNA analysis which favored prosecutors in 95% of cases, some of them death penalty cases.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...c8d8c6-e515-11e4-b510-962fcfabc310_story.html
 
No I've got a very compassionate daughter who is having a dark day.
She Has an extremely soft heart when it comes to cruelty of any kind, she always has & I love her for it.

Please don't take this the wrong way - I'm very sorry that your daughter is so upset but I am relieved that you do not personally known them. That would make it soooo much worse. Look after each other xx
 
We are lighting two candles tonight, and our house will remain quiet as our thoughts flow to Andrew and Myuran … to wish them godspeed, and strength amongst all this adversity.

They have done all they can to reform and pay penance for their mistakes. They have spent the last 10 years doing only good for their fellow man.

A quieter place is waiting for them – where they can paint and pray and feel calm and beauty.

Their spirits will live on. They will never be forgotten.

2ly4ght.png

http://www.news.com.au/world/bali-n...alt-another-blow/story-fndir2ev-1227190042710


:candle::candle:
 
I do understand the point you are trying to make, Mrs. G, I do. I see both sides of this. Admittedly when I first read about this case I had little sympathy for them.

I'm usually quite harsh on any type of crime and you are correct, they knew what they were getting themselves into. But this case has helped open my eyes and realize that things aren't always so black and white. I dunno...maybe I've even been wrong about my support of the death penalty for 1st degree murder in the US. Just recently an article came out about admitted flaws in FBI DNA analysis which favored prosecutors in 95% of cases, some of them death penalty cases.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...c8d8c6-e515-11e4-b510-962fcfabc310_story.html

That's saying a lot for a Texan :wink:
 

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