GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #3

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Oh, thx for the correction! But I'm still confused and a Twitter noobie ... so if HM was following TS' Twitter account, would Heather have received an alert on her phone to TS' newly posted tweets or would she have had to sign into Twitter first to see that TS had posted to his Twitter account or ??? TIA

I believe that HM would have to be on her twitter account looking at her home feed to have seen the posts. I'm not sure if you can set it up for your phone to alert when a new twitter posts comes into your feed. I have my phone on silent LOL. But for kids who follow hundeds, if not thousands of people, I'd think that would be insane to have it alert on every tweet so I don't think it does.

Maybe someone else is more of an expert. I only follow about 30 accounts. LOL

MOO
 
As I've said from the beginning, we need more information on HM's movements during the time period. I can only imagine that Bali LE have all the footage of all of them in hallways, staircases and public spaces from the time TS got there (after midnight or earlier?) until they fled out the back of the hotel. I'll bet there's a LOT more information to come about their movements.

MOO
 
Kamille, I think you might be on to something about the suitcase that TS was seen carrying up the stairs. It might also explain why as time passed, there was no more mention of it and focus shifted to something he had hidden under his shirt.

Although...once again, one wonders where HM was and what was going on. Absent more evidence, it would look like he took the suitcase upstairs and she stayed behind, possibly arguing with her mother.
 
I'm reading those two last TS tweets, posted in the early hours preceding SWM's death, to be direct messages to HM and cautionary/trying to deescalate the situation, as in [note: my interpretation follows]:

"let it go" "don't provoke" "stop messing with"

"stop talking so much and listen to what others are saying and listen to yourself"

If my read on those tweets is correct, HM must have been in quite a state! JMO
 
I'm reading those two last TS tweets, posted in the early hours preceding SWM's death, to be direct messages to HM and cautionary/trying to deescalate the situation, as in [note: my interpretation follows]:

"let it go" "don't provoke" "stop messing with"

"stop talking so much and listen to what others are saying and listen to yourself"

If my read on those tweets is correct, HM must have been in quite a state! JMO

TS may have felt vulnerable. No matter how bad things get (little did he know!), he knows SWM will take care of HM - she'll get back home safe and sound. Pretty scary to realize that if SWM clamps down on the $, he's in a bad position: halfway around the world, doesn't have $ of his own, HM's funds (when she's not stealing from her mother) are clearly not enough to cover him, and he doesn't have any well-off friends and family at home who are going to easily bail him out.

Yeah, he might have thought that under the circumstances, they should all chill out, get a night's sleep, and then figure out what to do.

It occurs to me...other than the hotel party incident, I wonder how much contact SWM and TS had ever had? Had he been to SWM's condo? Had he even met her before Bali? Or did SWM just assume from HM's general behavior and the party night that no one in that crowd was a good influence? Was he shocked by SWM's reception?
 
If TS wasn't the assailant, but still in deep with the aftermath, I should hope someone has since knocked some sense into him to fess up! JMO
 
It appears I don't have a copy of that passport. Does anyone have it to post or remember what page/thread it is on?

I'm almost convinced now that TS did come in on that 3pm flight and that HM had already secured a room for both of them on one of her mother's credit cards. Or maybe HM did have a credit card of her own to use with a low limit that her mother just paid for her? And that HM had done another of her disappearing acts and SWM ran into the two of them in the lobby together shortly after midnight when she was returning from a nightly show or something. Surprise!! Guess who's here? And guess who's paying? NOT

MOO

ETA: And why did only her passport make it into the news? Is it possible it's because only the person securing the room has their passport put on file? And they didn't take a photocopy of TS's passport because the room wasn't going into his name?
 
If TS wasn't the assailant, but still in deep with the aftermath, I should hope someone has since knocked some sense into him to fess up! JMO

Still curious about the supposed hidden object under TS's shirt when going to SWM's room...if we can trust what LE said.
 
She's bound to be demanding take-out on 11th October for her 19th birthday, I'm sure. Thanks OT. Bumping the passport again...

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I'm reading those two last TS tweets, posted in the early hours preceding SWM's death, to be direct messages to HM and cautionary/trying to deescalate the situation, as in [note: my interpretation follows]:

"let it go" "don't provoke" "stop messing with"

"stop talking so much and listen to what others are saying and listen to yourself"

If my read on those tweets is correct, HM must have been in quite a state! JMO

You're just going to make me go twitter, eh?

Another personal reference here: My 31 year old daughter is just 14 weeks pregnant with our

first grandchild :happydance: but her hormones are just wacky and to say she is uber sensitive to everything would be an understatement, we feel for our SIL whom we love dearly. Given that HM sounds like she is quick to anger and maybe a bit high strung normally, I would not underestimate the physical effects of her pregnancy on her mental state.
 
If TS wasn't the assailant, but still in deep with the aftermath, I should hope someone has since knocked some sense into him to fess up! JMO

I still can't put my finger on who did it either. Or if Sheila was already dead when TS showed up in the room at 8:40am. The autopsy report would certainly suggest that she was. Didn't it say something like she was deceased 10-12 hours before she was discovered? I calculate that by the time the taxi got to the police station and they opened up the suitcase it must have been around 2-3pm. Sheila would have been dead only 5-6hrs if it happened after 8:40am. You'd think the coroner would be able to tell this? Apparently the coroner thought it must have been longer.

I'd think a coroner would be pretty good at determining time of death with a very recently deceased body, even if it was horrifically mutilated to fit into a suitcase. :mad:

MOO
 
If TS wasn't the assailant, but still in deep with the aftermath, I should hope someone has since knocked some sense into him to fess up! JMO

I'll bet he won't if he thinks it will save her and the unborn child...and it just might.
 
Better hurry if you want to see the twitter account ... no telling how much longer it will be up!

:wave: to everybody out there
 
You're just going to make me go twitter, eh?

Another personal reference here: My 31 year old daughter is just 14 weeks pregnant with our

first grandchild :happydance: but her hormones are just wacky and to say she is uber sensitive to everything would be an understatement, we feel for our SIL whom we love dearly. Given that HM sounds like she is quick to anger and maybe a bit high strung normally, I would not underestimate the physical effects of her pregnancy on her mental state.

Congratulations on your first grandchild gracehatter!!

I never even considered how the early pregnancy hormone changes would exacerbate the "attitude" of an already angry HM. Wow. That must have been some vacation.

Once again...poor Sheila. :(

MOO
 
I see 3:34pm and 3:35pm, August 11th in EST. Which makes no sense since you are ahead of us. :waitasec:

At the moment Bali is 12 hours ahead of us. (not sure how the Daylight savings time affects things and we're currently on it) So those posts would actually have been made at 3:34am and 3:35am on August 12th in Bali? Right around the time SWM was walking around the lobby?

What is your time difference to Bali? If you were to convert the times you see to Bali time what do you get?

TIA

I see that you guys have been discussing this ... this is what I found.

Everyone’s tweets are time stamped according to the time zone they have set on their account – which is their local time when they set up their account. Users can change their own Twitter time zone setting if they want to, but they don’t automatically adjust to the time zone of your location apparently.

If Tommy’s tweets say 1:35pm 11th August (Chicago time), it would be 2:35am 12th August in Bali.

It seems that Denpasar/Bali is 13 hours ahead of Chicago in August. Bali has no daylight savings time. Chicago is not off daylight savings until 2nd November in 2014.

Chicago (U.S.A. - Illinois) Monday, 11 August 2014 at 1:35:00 PM CDT UTC-5 hours
Denpasar (Indonesia - Bali) Tuesday, 12 August 2014 at 2:35:00 AM WITA UTC+8 hours

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?iso=20140811T1335&p1=64&p2=761


I think that is about the same as what you found, but I have to re-read the posts to be sure ... bit too early on a Saturday here for my brain to take it all in yet. :)
 
Good morning SouthAussie :seeya:

It's actually 4:35am when those tweets were made. You better keep reading... :coffeews: :floorlaugh:

MOO
 
If TS wasn't the assailant, but still in deep with the aftermath, I should hope someone has since knocked some sense into him to fess up! JMO

I wish he was in Kerobokan now. I bet some of those other death-row inmates would be telling him ... it's not worth it Tommy, tell them the truth, tell them what you know, don't take the fall for her, the baby will be fine and in a good home somewhere. He needs some serious long-term Kerobokan inmates to help give him some focus and direction imo.
 
I wish he was in Kerobokan now. I bet some of those other death-row inmates would be telling him ... it's not worth it Tommy, tell them the truth, tell them what you know, don't take the fall for her, the baby will be fine and in a good home somewhere. He needs some serious long-term Kerobokan inmates to help give him some focus and direction imo.

Actually, for all we know, he isn't taking the fall for her. His camp is completely quiet, so we really don't have a clue what his story is. Considering how much of HM's story was leaked by the police chief (? Utomo), it seems strange that we've heard absolutely nothing from his side from anyone.

I wish we knew more about Bali law. In the US, especially depending on jurisdiction, it might be worth it for HM to try to play a terrified victim who didn't actually do anything except keep her mouth shut. In other jurisdictions, she'd be just as guilty as TS because she 'aided and abetted'. She might get a somewhat shorter sentence, but she'd still go down.

I don't think US law was always like that. I think once upon a time it might have been that the only person who could actually be convicted of murder was the person who pulled the trigger - not, for example, the getaway driver or someone who helped dispose of the body.

It may be that even if HM sticks to her story of not actually being involved in the 'beating' of her mother, of being the helpless pregnant girl terrified of a boyfriend allegedly gone nuts, she'll still be found guilty of murder under Indonesian law.

Personally, I'm inclined to think HM killed her mother and TS got in on the cleanup. If she picked up a heavy glass object like the vase or ashtray and hit her mother directly in the face, the shock and pain of a badly broken nose would have been all it took. I think TS realized, perhaps better than HM, that they were in a very bad situation. I think he expected her to have a better handle on how things work overseas because she'd traveled before, stayed in posh places.
 
I wish he was in Kerobokan now. I bet some of those other death-row inmates would be telling him ... it's not worth it Tommy, tell them the truth, tell them what you know, don't take the fall for her, the baby will be fine and in a good home somewhere. He needs some serious long-term Kerobokan inmates to help give him some focus and direction imo.

Agreed! Hope we'll hear at least he has been moved to Hotel K this weekend!
 
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