GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #5

[Orange Tabby]

Off-topic. Funny, sad story about the Daily Mail:

They ran several stories on the Helen Bailey murder. She was a 51-year-old English writer living roughly between Cambridge and London who was murdered last April by her boyfriend Ian Stewart. Motive: money. (She was worth over £3 million at the time of her death and had signed a will leaving the bulk of her estate to Stewart.)

The couple had purchased together a beautiful Arts and Crafts home in Royston (in Hertfordshire) and Stewart hid Helen's body in the property's Victorian-era cess pit (essentially, a septic tank).

As soon as the court case got going and lots of info was available, every article the Mail published included the value of the fancy, expensive Royston house. I can recall one hilarious article that mentioned the house twice, giving a different valuation each time!

One terribly sad element of the crime was that Stewart's cover story was that Helen had gone away to be on her own. She had a miniature Dachshund named Boris who she simply adored. She took him everywhere. So Stewart had to kill Boris too, to make the voluntary disappearance story work. The poor little beastie was found dead in the cess pit with Helen.

Thankfully, Stewart was found guilty and sentenced to life in prison. He cannot apply for release on license (parole) until he is 90 years old.

One thing I learned from that case is that the Slayer Rule in England and Wales is a bit different from most American formulations. It is called the Forfeiture Law and it appears to statutorily eliminate children of the Slayer from inheriting. (This fact was only claimed by English Websleuths in posts on the Helen Bailey thread, but I have no reason not to believe them.) It was relevant because Helen's will also named the children of her murderer as beneficiaries.

 

[ajaylee]

I was stunned to read how long a 'typical' slayer statute issue can take to wind its way through the courts to a final resolution.

 

[Orange Tabby]

Long answer: the prison had a couple of bad riots a year ago. The warden (?) was fired. Subsequently, things did get tighter at the prison. Visiting used to be in a big, open area with prisoners and visitors mixing freely. Now prisoners and visitors are separated.

Then the Daily Mail publishes a lurid article about HM, threesomes, her instagram clips showing beer and cigarettes. She dropped off IG shortly after (posting), and her BF cleaned up all references to HM or the prison from her IG.

We also know that the prison officials occasionally actually do raids for contraband, because many months ago, HM's phone got confiscated along with everyone else's. She laughed about it and said she'd just buy another one.

Thanks, ajaylee, I remember these things now that you have recounted them.

Do these things cause you to believe there was a crackdown in the men's section because of Heather and that this happened just before Tommy was put in solitary confinement? That is, did Heather's bad behavior actually have something to do with Tommy ending up in solitary?

I'm open to believing his story, but I'm also open to believing it's not true and merely a manifestation of Tommy's inability to accept his own actions.

He had a choice and the choice he made was to commit murder. Heather certainly played the major role in convincing him, but he had a very long time leading up to the murder to have made the right choice.

He has written a poem to Stella about his regrets as a father. He's made that public.

But he's never produced the same kind of public writing apologizing for the murder.

I agree with Kamille that he has a chance at rehabilitation. But this must include acknowledging his own actions. He can't spend the rest of his life blaming Heather for everything bad that happens to him. She will always be bad. He can make a choice to change his life.

So I guess I lean toward a view that Tommy behaved violently in prison, got punished for it, and excuses himself by deflecting the blame toward Heather. I don't hold that view, concerning the solitary confinement episode, strongly.

Edited to add: I see you've edited your post to add more important detail. I may change my opinion as I think about what you've added. Thank you.

 

[Orange Tabby]

I was stunned to read how long a 'typical' slayer statute issue can take to wind its way through the courts to a final resolution.

I didn't mean to suggest the "Mueller" case, which took seven years for a lower court ruling and two more years for a ruling on appeal (for a total of nine years), is typical. I don't know what is typical in Illinois and don't even have any feel for how many Slayer cases there are in any given time period.

I was only trying to point out that the delay so far with Sheila's trust isn't unprecedented.

However, I agree with you. The time involved is indeed shocking.

The good news is that if Oshar Putu Melody Suartama and her family are as well-to-do as we think, they won't need Sheila's trust money and William Weise can wait out all of Heather's stalling tactics.

Obviously, the best outcome would be:

1. No disbursements while Heather is in Kerobokan.

2. Deportation of Heather to US when her prison term is up.

3. Federal conspiracy charges against Heather with a hefty prison term when she is found guilty.

4. Stella getting use of the money as an adult, far from her murderous mother.

As Kamille rightly pointed out in a post addressed to gitana, we don't know for a fact that the Feds plan to charge Heather. I don't believe they would announce this in advance. But the fact that they conducted their own autopsy in the US signals to me that they aren't just looking at folks who were involved via text and email messages alone.

They are interested in those who bludgeoned poor Sheila and one of those people, I believe, is Heather Mack.

 

[ajaylee]

Any guesses as to why Oshar is doing this?

I know it's possible she (and her family) are just good people who tolerate a nasty mother for the sake of an innocent child. I can't see any money advantage in it for them, and they don't seem to be looking for publicity.

Looking ahead seven years from now, when HM is released and deported, will she take Stella with her? Will Oshar try to prevent her from taking Stella with her, either through persuasion or some legal tactic? Would HM be likely to take Stella with her if she believes that she is facing certain arrest on arrival?

I would be very very surprised if the FBI isn't waiting for both HM and TS when they return, given that they've already gotten the Bibbs conviction. There were no serious challenges to the information and there will be little or nothing in additional investigative costs if they go after TS and HM.

 

[FigTree]

The prison had a couple of bad riots a year ago. The warden (?) was fired. Some prisoners were moved to other prisons. Subsequently, things did get tighter at the prison. Visiting used to be in a big, open area with prisoners and visitors mixing freely. Now prisoners and visitors are separated.

Then the Daily Mail publishes a lurid article about HM, threesomes, her instagram clips showing beer and cigarettes and inmates dancing. She dropped off IG shortly after (posting), and her BF cleaned up all references to HM or the prison from her IG. HM did lose sentence remissions because of the IG activity that got widespread attention in the Daily Mail. There were actually consequences for her actions.

We also know that the prison officials occasionally actually do raids for contraband, because many months ago, HM's phone got confiscated along with everyone else's. She laughed about it and said she'd just buy another one.

So things have been generally tense and trending worse.

Now, all of a sudden, another video gets released, a video clearly taken in Kerobokan. I imagine prison officials were very upset.

So, yes, I think it's possible that there was a prison sweep in response to the release of the videos, particularly when it became clear that the video was favorable to TS and not HM, thus pointing to him as the likely culprit in making and releasing the video.


But I want to hear what others think!

Just some additional thoughts here:
Due to the crackdown on the separation of prisoners and inmates when visiting - will this apply to HM?
I'd kike to know how the prison handles this.
Can other mothers see there children without being separated?
Wait and see situation - its not unusual for the rules to be change in the prison.

 

[Kamille]

Just trying to sort through the though provoking posts from today, and that wild Daily Mail article, and I'll post what I can regarding some of the questions asked...in no particular order.

He has written a poem to Stella about his regrets as a father. He's made that public.

But he's never produced the same kind of public writing apologizing for the murder.

TS did post an apology to SVM and her family on his Facebook last year...

Tommy Schaefer
October 13, 2016 ·
I am indebted to all of the people that have ever been in my life, and to all of the people that helped me grow over the years. This is a letter for everyone I let down and everyone I embarrassed. To the people who are no longer in my life, thank you for giving me a chance. I miss so many people so much I want you to know that I'm dying inside, and every single morning brings excruciating pain to my soul and everything I'm made of. Please read this!! I'm sorry I'm so so so so sorry to the family and friends of Sheila Von Wiese I owe you everything I am and everything I have and so much more. I caused irreparable damage there's nothing worse on this planet than being involved with what I participated in. My shame is heavy. So heavy that I don't even look the same anymore. I haven't been hiding I just can't be so open. This is all so sensitive. I hope you can feel me I hope you know how hurt I am. Rest In Paradise Sheila Von Wiese.

https://www.facebook.com/tommy.schaefer.3

 

[Orange Tabby]

Many thanks for that Kamille. To me, it is grossly insufficient.

1. Tommy never admits to murdering Sheila. That is something in my book he must explicitly do.

2. Facebook is hardly enough when he obviously can contact any Chicago newspaper. "I've murdered someone. How can I make amends to the family? I know, I'll change my status on Facebook!" What a jerk he is.

But that's just me.

 

[Kamille]

Well wasn't that an interesting story in the Daily Mail? I wonder where they are getting their "info" from? That was just a mish mash of information that is already out there, peppered with what appears to be attempts at sympathy and perhaps funding to be thrown TS's way. Looks like the DM are getting information or misinformation from from people TS is in contact with and are trying to help him out somehow. I try to give TS the benefit of the doubt but I also can see him being the one who was actually in contact with the reporter and passed on this info. Not sure how lying about what's going on would accomplish anything though?

TS, or someone with access to his IG, is still active as of about a couple of hours ago. So I don't believe he doesn't have his cell phone.

I believe that TS was involved in an altercation that put him in solitary. I do not know which way that went, whether he was beaten or he beat someone else. I would imagine life for him in the men's section of the prison is much more difficult than it is for HM. I believe he's "losing it" and I know from his posts on his facebook that he appeared to be trying to comfort himself with religion. Don't know if that's just a front though.

I do not believe that any other prisoner is really suffering from the antics of these two in the prison. They treat HM like a rock star, especially the guards and prison staff. All of the women in her cell and probably most of the others in the other cells, have cell phones and access to social media. Many are friends on HM's social media accounts, including prison guards. There may have been that one sweep, where HM lost her cell phone, but I think that had more to do with the riot than with HM and TS. There does not appear to have been any more confiscations since then. There also may have been some rumbling between prison officials and inmates about threatening another sweep when the recent "confession" video got uploaded, and we know that HM blamed TS for that, so he may have taken some heat for it. I could believe that it may be the reason for the altercation that put him in solitary.

I can also believe that TS has gone off the rails, from absolute anger and frustration with his hopeless situation, the way he probably believes he was completely railroaded by HM. This "odd behaviour" is probably manifesting itself as anger and rage at everything and is getting on the nerves of other prisoners. I have no doubt that this would cause him to get into altercations.

So who are the "westerners" he was supposed to be having trouble with? Do we know of any other US men in the prison? I know of one Canadian. Are the other "westerners" supposed to be South Americans? Do they include the British and Australian prisoners as "westerners"?

I understood that the "cell rent" was for a single cell. I remember when there was talk of HM getting her own "room" for a fee. But then her funding from Judge Cohen was abruptly cut off and that never happened. So whomever is "talking" to the DM is making it known that TS will either live in squalor with 40 other men or someone will have to sponsor him $400 a month for his own cell. Do you think that was part of the reason why someone talked to the DM? Is there another fund raising event coming up for TS? Or is someone putting out the feelers for a nice benefactor like OS to take on TS as a charitable cause? I'm really torn about TS. On the one hand I feel like he was a somewhat decent person who was completely manipulated by a psychopath but on the other hand, he actually helped plan and then helped kill an innocent woman in cold blood. And not out of fear for his own life.....out of greed...for the promise of sharing in the wealth. So that makes me wonder just what kind of person he is as well. And how much manipulating he's trying to do. Although he'll never master the art quite like HM.

I don't know who this Chris White person is at the DM but there a few pictures there that were never posted to either HM or TS's IG accounts to my knowledge. So I think he's gotten them from the same source that also sent him TS's "poem"....or latest rap single? :dunno:

And finally, I do not believe that HM is in any danger in that prison. She is the one to fear. And the longer she stays, the more clout she has in there. Most of the women are in for minor drug related crimes. HM is the scariest and most dangerous female prisoner in there IMO. I would have said she'd met her match in Noor Ellis but apparently she has been moved to another prison. I wonder why that happened? HM probably requested it.

MOO

 

[Orange Tabby]

[Cuts]

So things have been generally tense and trending worse.

Now, all of a sudden, another video gets released, a video clearly taken in Kerobokan. I imagine prison officials were very upset.

So, yes, I think it's possible that there was a prison sweep in response to the release of the videos, particularly when it became clear that the video was favorable to TS and not HM, thus pointing to him as the likely culprit in making and releasing the video.


But I want to hear what others think!

You are, I'm assuming, referring to the so-called Confession video where Heather says, "I made it up in my heart, in my mind, my soul, in my blood, in the oxygen running through my body, that I wanted to kill my mother."

The release of that video being the precipitating cause of the crackdown makes sense to me, and the timing seems close. So I agree with you.

But if that video is what caused the kerfuffle, then I would have to disagree with the Please-Excuse-Tommy formulation of the Daily Mail. Its article said:

Schaefer's had a torrid time in prison, after being beaten by eight western prisoners with blocks of wood two weeks ago, as punishment for Mack causing the prison bad publicity, which has resulted on the prison authorities cracking down on inmates.​

Unless one believes Heather released the video, Tommy's apologists have no reason to blame Heather. Blaming Tommy actually makes sense.

Not that there can't be reasons for why Heather would release the vid. At the time, I suggested she could have given up winning a Slayer hearing and was working to inoculate herself against a US conspiracy charge. If she did everything herself, and Tommy only assisted after the fact, she would claim there was no conspiracy.

 

[Kamille]

Just some additional thoughts here:
Due to the crackdown on the separation of prisoners and inmates when visiting - will this apply to HM?
I'd kike to know how the prison handles this.
Can other mothers see there children without being separated?
Wait and see situation - its not unusual for the rules to be change in the prison.

Here is a quote from an article about Sara Connor and her son's first upcoming visit to her in Kerobokan...

Where inmates and visitors to the jail made notorious by a succession of high profile Australian convicts once mingled freely in a cavernous meeting room, visitations are now more strictly regulated.

Babies are sometimes passed to their incarcerated parents through the same gap in the bars where meals are pushed, but that is not an option for Connor’s children, aged nine and eleven.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...n/news-story/a77897415154be5558bf8b9e5dbb7db5

So...not sure if Stella would fit through the bars but personally I don't think it will be necessary. I think that Stella will be brought into the prison and paraded around to see everyone each time she visits. There are a lot of "outside" people in that prison every day doing "charitable" work. I believe that Stella and OS will be given the run of the place when they come to visit.

And OT...The prosecution is appealing Sara Connor's 4 yr sentence, they originally asked for 8 years. They are not appealing her boyfriend's 6 yr sentence.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-17/prosecutors-appeal-against-sara-connor-sentence/8365294

 

[Orange Tabby]

[Cuts]

So who are the "westerners" he was supposed to be having trouble with? Do we know of any other US men in the prison? I know of one Canadian. Are the other "westerners" supposed to be South Americans? Do they include the British and Australian prisoners as "westerners"?

[Cuts]

When a British person (and I am assuming the Mail writer is British) uses the term "Westerners" it generally refers to people from "Western Cultures" which must be nowadays politically incorrect in any number of ways.

It would mean folks from Europe (including the U.K., Brexit notwithstanding) or from countries highly populated now or in the recent past (say, up to one hundred years ago) by European immigrants.

So: Europeans, Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, and probably a few I'm forgetting.

In Kerobokan, I assume the majority of Westerners are Australian. Not cuz they are baddies, but cuz they make up the majority of Western visitors to Bali.

 

[Kamille]

When a British person (and I am assuming the Mail writer is British) uses the term "Westerners" it generally refers to people from "Western Cultures" which must be nowadays politically incorrect in any number of ways.

It would mean folks from Europe (including the U.K., Brexit notwithstanding) or from countries highly populated now or in the recent past (say, up to one hundred years ago) by European immigrants.

So: Europeans, Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, and probably a few I'm forgetting.

In Kerobokan, I assume the majority of Westerners are Australian. Not cuz they are baddies, but cuz they make up the majority of Western visitors to Bali.

Ah...thanks. That makes sense. So according to what someone has told the DM, there is a section of the men's side of the prison that is populated by "westerners". Most of whom probably have some financial assistance to make things easier on them. And where it is probably a lot less populated so there are less people to a cell. So TS has had an altercation with one or more of these "westerners" and they now want him out of their section. That means the only place for him is with the local Indonesian prisoners who likely do not have financial assistance, nor do they speak much English. So as a punishment to TS, the prison officials have taken away whatever comforts he had in the "westerner" section and sent him to the "Indonesian" section with a bag of clothes to "start over"?

Is that what you're getting from this article? :waitasec:

 

[Orange Tabby]

I agree, Kamille, that is essentially what the article claims.

However, I don't know if anything remotely like this has happened; or if something vaguely like this has happened, if it happened the way it was reported.

The article is so over-the-top pro-Tommy, it's hard for me to credit much of what it says. Even though I expect parts of it are probably true. I'm just not sure what parts.

I know you are skeptical of parts of it as well.

Your description of the article as "wild" is too true!

 

[FigTree]

ETA - I have edited this by adding spacing and line breaks - trying to break the lines up so it is readable - it was one long continuous letter.


Here is the full letter that TS wrote:

posted by Tommy Schaefer 10th October 2016 – the link was on his Facebook page which has been taken down
http://www.pdf.investintech.com/preview/d16d8040-90e1-11e6-89aa-002590d31986/index.html


Once upon a time I was a kid who had the world in front of him. Loved by many and hated by some. Now I am hated by many and loved by some.
For anyone that I’ve ever come in contact with, please forgive me for any heartache I may have caused. I am forever indebted.
I’m writing this to clear confusion amongst friends and family of mine, and of Sheila. I want to see she who should not be named answer for what really happened
with her mother, and for all of the laws that she broke after her moms passing. Including but not limited to selling her story; as recent news has shown.
She is profiting financially as much as she can. She announces to the prison almost once a week that she’s working on making a movie with her moms friend Dianna.
Quoting her “this is just the beginning.” You can’t hide from the truth anymore. One thing that is for certain is that I will forever run head first into my faults and mistakes and misfortunes.
I only dream to be exonerated from this gremlins life and anything to do with this pittance of a person. This is my attempt.
2 years ago I was manipulated and controlled by an uneducated, evil, controlling person with a primitive mindset. I am forever appalled with myself.
However controlling this monster was, holding myself 100% accountable for my role in this tragedy is very important to me and my life today. Can you imagine being so normal and saying these words? Having so many friends, role models, being a role model yourself and this black hole of dark energy bumps into you and you get sucked in.
And after its all over its embedded in your life and its taken everything you’ve ever had or dreamed of away. That’s how I feel about that evil girl, and what transpired It may
have seemed like I was very lovey do vey with she who should not be named. That is so far from the truth. She and her lawyer forced me to continue to keep up this fake
facade each for their own sick reasons. I know it doesn’t make a lot of sense now but It will later. I promise. The amount of bravado made me cringe. The world deserves to know the truth
and not to hear it from an imbecile of a child raising a baby in prison. A girl who manipulates everything she touches and fails to realize how sensitive and connected we are as humans.
She is a sociopath and yet another blow, she’s the mother of my child. I’m not sure how she is having such a good time in jail considering the battles ahead of her, I certainly am not,
but the people of Indonesia and the country as a whole do not deserve any further embarrassment. Especially not the family and friends of Sheila.
Please understand that it is not me who is not humbled, broken, and completely unaware of my previous decisions. It is her 100%. I know I’m nothing and deserve nothing.
Believe me. But one thing is for sure is that I’m not evil. I believe in people and I believe in forgiveness to the utmost extent. I think forgiveness is the only way to deal with how
selfish we really are. Were not completely selfish but it exists in all of us. However I believe in balance, and I believe the universe has a quench for it that’s up to us to give based
upon the decisions we make. Not giving the truth about her would be depriving the world of balance that it deserves. I surely point the finger at that disturbance in space time for
everything that transpired the way it did. She knows how many lives she has destroyed she just doesn’t want to face the destruction.She runs like the coward she is.
On top of all that friends and family have witnessed, Stella is under control of this monster. Whether Stella remembers spending her first 700+ days in prison or not doesn’t make it right!
How embarrassing can it get? You’d think it would stop with smiling during trial or the hundreds of times I’ve asked her to cover the baby from the media. So comfortable and happy
the whole time almost as if everything was going to plan. I really do hate to have to speak on the behavior of the mother of my precious baby girl, however, talking about who she is as
an individual Is necessary.
Stella has plenty of relatives on both her mom and dads side who would love to take care of her and who would treat her as an individual, and not a product of her parents wrong doing.
I have argued with her for years now to let Stella see the world like a normal baby. She uses the baby to control me, to dothings for her, to act like im in love, to make a fool out of me,
and to manipulate my genuine concern for others.
She is a hurricane sucking everything in and spitting everything out then vanishing before she can see the aftermath. She does it to her own family.
Crazy enough, last year I was blessed enough to realize how beautiful life really is and how God fearing we all should be.
How important vibrations and frequencies actually are. And how she who should not be named is a detailed and prime example of what bad or negative energy really is.
She was able to penetrate my emotions and my thoughts because the life I lived was unfulfilled.
I knew I didn’t care about myself and that something bad was going to happen to me. Sometimes when I walked to work from my apartment, I would put my headphones on,
jack up the volume, and cross a busy morning flow of traffic on Madison street without looking during a green light. I happened to be unfortunate enough to survive, and get sucked
into an evil persons vengeance of someone I didn’t even know. I predicted my own downfall.
I started last year to grow and to look at things from an outside perspective and I realized that energy is everything. How life offers so many fruits to bite into that hold amazing
experiences and encounters but because of ego and being caught up in ourselves and every day lives,we often fail to realize that these feelings and emotions exist in this world.
How not simple everything truly is and how what you do when no one is watching is a great measure of character. When no one is watching, she is being just as evil as she is or TV.

It gets hard to see the bigger picture and its hard to accept that we are here to use and take care of; not to own and abuse.
I am really trying to become a better person even though the world hates me. Rightfully so. I figure it may count for something oneday and if my heart is pure, maybe
I can be better understood by first the friends and family of Sheila,and then my own loved ones.. I no longer live for myself anymore. I don’t live for my name or for mydreams.
I live for the family of Sheila and anyone that I have been in contact with before or in the futureif I am blessed enough to have a future.
Given the severity of my actions, if I should be crucified, and ifthat brings relief to a bigger majority of people then that’s what should be done.
All of this is shockingand chilling; and on all accounts, a deplorable action. I don’t sleep at night. The murder, the media, andseeing Sheila’s family breaks me beyond repair.
Speaking these words is the hardest thing I’ve doneaside from living these words. When I think about those words I am utterly disgusted with myself just asmuch as anyone else is.
Every morning I wake up feeling like nothing more than scum. If you paidenough attention to the case then you would notice how much my face has changed.
My teeth began torot, I developed black bags underneath my eyes, I lost 25 pounds, and the pigment of my epidermis hasdramatically decreased. You can see the stress on my face.
A person cannot type and explain how thisfeels or describe what its like to go through this unless that person knows how responsible he or shereally is.

On the other hand, that evil thing has gained weight, is all laughs, drinks, and does drugs inprison. She does all of this while having sex with women while my daughter is next to her.
All of this eatsat my soul every single day, and saying these words just adds to the damage but I feel like there are somany things that need to be addressed.
This isn’t about me or anyone else other than the family ofSheila. After the murder, I did what I had to do to stay alive and to protect my daughter from hersociopathic mother.
The family of Sheila deserves the utmost respect and closure after a tragedy such asthis. Anything less should be considered an act of heartlessness and pure ignorance.
What I mean byliving for the family is that every good thing I bring to another person, and every persons life that I saveif I am ever free, will be for the tragedy that I once fed.
I cant apologize or say sorry for something likethis. The embarrassment is insurmountable and please know that I’ve experienced what it was like to bein hell on earth when I
arrived in Bali and I have been living a nightmare since the night I landed here.Being a man and now a father, its hard for me to admit the magnitude of such negativity.
But truth betold, mentally and morally, this is as bad as it gets. I let down so many people. Everyone.Every dream and experience I imagined I would have, every moment and
reason I was with the love ofmy life is wrecked by the feeling of the devastation I caused and the havoc I created.

The one thing that was right in my life was the bond I shared with my ex girlfriend. It kills me that I have to bring her intosuch an awful situation but it’s a big part of the truth.
Rachel believed in me more than anyone. As lifeprogressed, it was clear that I was in her best interest more than anyone else around me on this planet.
She took care of every doubt I had about myself. She gave me confidence and she made me feel worthyof the good headed my way. I knew it would take someone like Rachel
to contain the damage after shepassed. I also knew that wasn’t possible so I let myself stoop to a relationship with someone like shewho should not be named.
Every time I was with she who should not be named in public, I would see myfriends from grade school and high school. I remember every time that happened I loved it so much
because I would be reminded of all of the priceless and blissful memories we shared when life was muchbetter.
Everyone who I shared those memories with also shared memories with Rachel. And for that, Isaw those 30 second friends as family to me and till this day they don’t know it.
For that brief hello, I felt relief. Now she is the mother of my child and I wouldn’t wish for my worst enemy to be in the position I amin.

Seeing her in the prison puts me in excruciating pain. Unbearable enough that I choose not to be too close with Stella. Its hard to develop a relationship with my daughter who looks so much like me, you’dthink I was the one who was once pregnant. She won’t let Stella go to another person because sheknows that anyone in their right mind wouldn’t dare give her baby back if they cared about Stella. That’sa tragedy of its own.I’ve seen with my own eyes, Stella eating jail food given to her by her very own flesh, and otherprisoners.
She told me that Stella shakes the door at night saying “buka” which means open in Balinese.She’s a smart girl, she deserves so much opportunity and that evil thing is
blocking my child fromgrowing so she can have access to the trust funds as a guardian. Booooooo!! She knows she’s useless soshe has to hold Stella hostage in jail.
Despicable! She is scared about going back to America sheobviously doesn’t plan on going back.
I am very sorry for not speaking out sooner, given the frame of time, this was my best chance to do so.I don’t want to cause a disturbance in peoples lives anymore than I already
have which is a minor butcontributing factor to why I’ve chosen to stay silent until now. This girl needs to be hospitalized, and the US government really needs to intervene
with the treatment and decisions being made on behalf of mychild by a mentally abusive mother. I’m not looking for a drop of sympathy I hope it doesn’t come offlike I am.
Just being as real as I can be about my perspective on everything.Typing for me in prison isn’t as easy as it is for that horrid girl. She sells food and other things providedby her mothers trust for quick cash to spend on herself. Just ask Bali Kids, the organization who helps with the health of Stella. She treats them like **** when they are the reason Stella does have fresh food.

Speaking of the trust, I will sign absolutely any document saying I should not benefit in any way at allfrom this crime. Signing away my rights to money that’s not mine and never was mine is extremely easy.However for this girl, she wont let it go. Instead, she’s insisting that she wants a settlement from thetrust.
How does she not have the decency to waive her rights to the money and be thankful for such ajoke of a sentence? What a piece of fresh ****. 10 years for murder, a beautiful child,
and still eating from her moms trust. There has been talk about how I get hundreds of thousands donated to me by people and that is completely false. I would rather suffer in silence than
to profit from something asdespicable as what I participated in. To judge Cohen, Sir, with all due respect you can count me out!
That money has nothing to do with me! Money was never the reason I came to Bali and I refuse to let it be about money now. The talks about money originate from her saying how she wanted to sue her mother because she claims her mom forged the signature of her dads trust and changed the beneficiaryto Sheila Von Wiese. Messy.
It sounded like she had a leg to stand on with some type of lawsuit.
Of course I was interested. I never agreed to take any money from this woman for helping her do anythingillegal let alone something so absurd as what transpired.
You have to understand that this girl talked about killing her mom all of the time! I told sooo manypeople!! Hearing her say it was the biggest cry wolf ever!
That’s how it was for a lot of people because Iwas surely not the only one listening to her ramble about it. It became apart of hanging out with her.
Her reasoning for bringing it up so much was because of how abusive that she said her mom was. This was a part of who she was.
However, this was not who I was and I was so caught up in my own life andmy own problems that it was hard to focus on other peoples issues including hers.
I tried to help thesituation on many occasions, offering my advice on alternatives to hurting each other and to instead,find middle ground.
The abuse she said she was going through, and how her mom had basically stolen all of her money and claimed it as her own, made me think about money from what
seemed to be, an openand shut lawsuit. Kids and parents have problems every day. I never believed that this little girl reallyhad the balls to kill someone.
For what? I’m not sure. She was always talking about how mean her momwas to her father when she was younger.
She said she hated her mom for what she did to James. She used to always tell me she had a feeling that her mom killed her dad when she was 10.
She had everything but this was going to happen.. This was not about me and if it was I didn’t know about it .I was a good *advertiser censored* kid before this.
The most bad I’ve done is verbally abuse some racist bouncer trying to stick up for my friend. I never thought of how much malice she had in her heart towards her mom.
I just happened to be the boyfriend at the time this all transpired. I could’ve been anyone. I always told her that she should defend herself if she feels like calling the police does nothing.
She said the police had been to her house so many times and never did a thing. She said the police would see the scars on the both of them every time they came to the house and it would
never be taken too seriously. This is an awkward situation to be in as a boyfriend. Really awkward. It really was not my business at all but I felt bad for her. I wanted to help but how?
Still no solution in my head and as time goes on, I just went with the relationship. I didn’t know how to help her but to talk to her.
It was just nice to have a girlfriend while I suffered with my own issues. They were dramatic, and very emotional women. I was not trying to understand. I couldn’t.
All of this made my useless life not so boring. I never wanted to be a part of this but my association with her is the main reason of why I am where I am today. I let her use and abuse me.

I let her feel like it was okay to use me as her rag doll. I let her feel like it was okay to drag me into her problems. But the fact remains is I let her step all over me.
I knew I was in danger by being with her. I wish I could talk about everything. One day I will. What happened in Bali was nothing but a continuation of her own self made plan, thoughts,
and ideas to kill her mother that all of her close friends had heard previous tales of before. This time, I was there at her disposal.I truly hate being in the news personally,
but more so because there are huge and much more important issues that we must tend to as a society that were not making progress on.
Airing and glorifying people who do bad things and make mistakes is a clear distraction from real life concerns. Don’t give in to the media and their lies they lie just as much as she does.
I don’t hide and I haven’t been hiding its just the fact that a psychopath has my daughter and I have to swallow my pride if I want to play a role in Stella’s life.
Given where I stand on this, and by releasing this statement, I’m adding to the problem. It’s a contradiction that I have to take part in because of this girls stupidity that has not yet been
silenced. I am sorry. You wont hear from me much but I hope when you do, it reminds you of how one bad decision, can make you look like me. That one guy who really messed up.
Let me be the reason for you not to choose to go that shaky route. Let me be the image of what it would look like if you don’t humble yourself today! I know what its like to lose everything.
Enough for me and you.

Let me be the earthly example of what happens when you decide to go against the flow of the universe. God’s wishes. No matter how tough a situation comes to you is,
remember that balance is imminent and nothing lasts forever except love and memories. This life isn’t about just you its about all of us. The energy we receive and give
off while we are here determines how we develop! I wish I learned this before 2014. I apologize for cursing I just need to prove a point 10,000 miles away. I just want everyone to understand
that I get it now. I get why its so hard to get up when you’re tired, to go to the gym and gain muscle, to eat healthily, and even to study. That’s because when you do, the reward is there.
You are what you eat. You cant tell people you eat healthy when you don’t look healthy. When you eat healthy you don’t have to talk because it shows. Its so easy to do the things that
undermine our capabilities. With any situation it seems to show the same consistency. Darkness exists with or without light. Light can create shadows. Even when light is around,
darkness is there to provoke. “Even if you can walk on water they will say its because you cant swim.” This child’s problem is she wants to be selfish and get away with it.
That’s cheating. Its too late for her. It exists in her subconscious so vivid that she cant help it. She cant help herself. That’s a hard thing to do. Be so aware that it makes you humble.
Having the power to let power go like Yeezy taught me. If she had a heart at all she would make an effort to show it. And oh yeah, happy birthday today to Voldemort’s baby sis.
I hope that I can one day make the people who shaped me, and the countless people who have played a role in my life, happy to say they know me , and happy to call me a friend again.
But, who would I be to ask for forgiveness of some sort, and not give it in return? I’ve said the truth about my feelings on her, and I’ve responded to her stupidity, but I am at a point in my
life where it takes too much energy and effort to be angry. It takes too much energy to attack anymore. Its not healthy. I refuse to let her live rent free in my spirit. I’m doing this to paint a
picture in your head of what has been in mine in hope s that some of you may find relief in knowing I don’t think too highly of her. In hopes of you all understanding my position on the topic.
In hopes that you think I have some dignity still. It even sounds crazy to me but I forgive you Heather Mack (the last time ill ever say your name again)I forgive you because
I have too much work to do for the people I have hurt. I forgive you because there is no time. forgive you because Rachel forgave me once.
For the rest of my life I owe and pledge to the Von Wiese family and friends every drop of sweat I can produce to make things a little easier to swallow.
Something good has to come from this. I will die trying to make that happen. To the Von Wiese family I give you more life. 100% I will do all that is in my power to bring some sort
of comfort in an impossible place. If no one knows but me, God knows and God knows where my heart is and what I am made of. I have grown up a lot and I am ready to serve this world.

Today I strip myself naked to the world in hopes that people understand me and she who should not be named meeting was obviously a terrible thing.
I refuse to let this ball of anti-matter cause any further destruction to this already damaged world. I pray that God blesses all of you kind souls out there who work relentlessly to make the world a better place. I long to be one of those people one day. Fortrose who get lost in every day life, try not to get too lost.
At the end of the day you will be right where you are with a lot more problems that wont allow you to ever be the same. Let me be that example for you.
Let me be the pain you would have if you make that wrong decision. Let it be my suffering that makes you choose to go the other way. Use me. Live clean, live true and live for something every day.
The truth will be told when it is safe to explain everything I witnessed. I can do now is let my actions speak louder than my words and even then it’ll never heal all of those wounds I brought to Sheila’s family and friends. Something I’ll have to face for the rest of my days. Rest In Paradise Sheila Von Wiese I will never forget you

 

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Mack’s uncle, William Wiese, is currently involved in a legal battle with Mack over her inheritance. However, he said the family is “very pleased that Stella has finally been released from prison and will have a chance at having a normal life.”

Wiese, as trustee, is allowing for money from a contested trust fund to be used to help pay for food, clothing and medical supplies for Stella. Wiese also provided the funds that were used to buy birthday presents for Stella.

“I stand ready to fully support Stella as she embarks on a difficult path ahead. I also hope that everyone continues to remember the true victims of this horrific murder, Sheila, whose life was senselessly cut short, and Stella, an innocent baby brought into this world in very difficult circumstances,” William Wiese said in a statement.

When Stella arrived at her new home Friday, she was greeted with a large pile of toys, stuffed animals and clothes.

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http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...son-to-Live-With-Foster-Family-416447373.html

 

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So William Weise is back behind the wheel!

 

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That bed amassed with little girl loot for toddler Stella looks to take up a bigger space than she has ever had to herself. I wonder how long before the child comes to find prison visits a chore?

What will Heather do then?

 

[FigTree]

When a British person (and I am assuming the Mail writer is British) uses the term "Westerners" it generally refers to people from "Western Cultures" which must be nowadays politically incorrect in any number of ways.

It would mean folks from Europe (including the U.K., Brexit notwithstanding) or from countries highly populated now or in the recent past (say, up to one hundred years ago) by European immigrants.

So: Europeans, Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, and probably a few I'm forgetting.

In Kerobokan, I assume the majority of Westerners are Australian. Not cuz they are baddies, but cuz they make up the majority of Western visitors to Bali.

Just some articles related to Western prisoners in the men's section of Kerobokan - mostly older dated articles - due to riots.


True story of one man's stay in Bali's hellhole Kerobokan prison.... But he also reveals a jail where international inmates - known as ''bules'', the Indonesian word for Westerners - can live a lifestyle he calls ''luxury, Kerobokan-style''.
Such prisoners are readily able to access contraband smartphones, internet, secreted laptops and plasma televisions.
''There were drugs all through the prison,'' he says. ''People were tripping out on LSD or magic mushrooms and smoking weed until they were stoned blind.''
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Conibeer, who spent 10 months inside the notorious prison, describes how pizzas and prostitutes would be delivered to cells if bribes were paid.
He writes of meeting the ''petite and quietly spoken'' Corby, saying she ''reminded me of a fragile doll that could break at any moment''.
''Kerobokan is one of the only jails in the world where the prisoners are in control,'' Conibeer writes.



http://www.smh.com.au/national/true...hellhole-kerobokan-prison-20140329-35pws.html
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'Murder, drug overdoses and bashings':
Former inmate of Kerobokan prison reveals what it is REALLY like inside squalid cells where condemned Bali Nine ringleaders have been held for 10 years
A former Kerobokan prison inmate has revealed what it's like inside
Paul Conibeer spent 10 months in the Bali prison in 2013
The New Zealander spent his time with Chan and Sukumaran
He said the place is overflowing with drugs
He also revealed a man died in his arms after an overdose
Meanwhile in Bali tourists are flocking to the prison to take selfies


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Bali-Nine-await-execution.html#ixzz4bjkHchvV

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Bali's Dark Side
February 28, 2012
“In Hotel Kerobokan’s filthy, cramped and disease-ridden cells a ‘United Nations of prisoners’ – Australians, Americans, Germans, Brazilian, French, English, Scottish, Mexicans, Italians – live crushed together in misery.
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The recent riot erupted after an inmate was stabbed. Bali’s notorious street gangs have a reputation for carrying on their feuds inside the prison. More than a dozen guards on duty were overwhelmed and fled. Prison offices, mattresses and the armory were set on fire.
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In mid-January, one convict was found dead after being tortured by 13 other prisoners. A riot erupted last June after a narcotics raid on the prison; investigators and prison officials were wounded.
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Many of the foreigners were evacuated as the rioting broke out. But when they discovered the shift was optional all decided to head back to Kerobokan. It was a case of better the devil you know, and that in itself speaks volumes for living conditions within the prison’s walls – those conditions are dreadful yet preferred to the greater unknown of another jail.
http://thediplomat.com/2012/02/balis-dark-side/
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Deadly gang riot breaks out at Bali’s Kerobokan prison2012
And Bali police questioned how so many dangerous weapons, such as spears, machetes, knives and homemade weapons came to be inside the prison.
Six garbage bins of weapons, two large packages of methamphetamine, a type of bulletproof vest and a laptop computer were seized during raids on the cell blocks after the deadly riot.
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Asked how so many dangerous weapons came to be inside a high-security jail, Mr Suryasta said: “Ask the prison authority how all those sharp weapons could be in there.”
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A Baladika member, I Putu Sumariana, alias Robot, died from an open wound to his stomach.
He was in jail serving time for murder.
Another prisoner, a Baladika member, Putu Sumarjaya alias Dogler, was also stabbed and died in hospital.
He was serving time on drugs charges.



http://balithisweek.com/2015/12/bali-gang-riot/
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This was an article back in 2012 - and the prison system was going to change - :facepalm:

Indonesia struggles to revamp 'hell-hole' Bali prison
... She described the prison as a "hell-hole" where cash-rich inmates -- thanks mostly to money brought in by visitors -- enjoy a life of relative luxury beside their poor peers living in squalor.
(Re: Hotle Kerobokan Book) The book portrayed the prison as Bali's "drug hub", describing paid-for sex parties, murders and suicide.

Wiratna's first step in cleaning up the colossal mess at Kerobokan is the "zero rupiah" programme to ensure prisoners cannot pay for special treatment and to curb the bribe culture that feeds hungry prison guards.
"This kind of violence happens because rival groups here form around money and they fight over payments," Wiratna said, explaining that the bulk of the gang members have been moved to another facility.
"Bribes used to happen in the open. Visitors used to have to pay to come in and prisoners would pay guards to do activities that should be free. That's all stopped now."
But a foreign woman recently imprisoned, struggling to adjust to life inside, said she was unable to go to church until she paid the guards for a pass.


- See more at: http://www.mysinchew.com/node/80607#sthash.R2ZsrYvu.dpuf

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What is absolutely apparent is that nothing is changing inside the prison.
It is rife with bribery.
HM has certainly proved that with her ability to still act like a spoilt brat and to buy off people - and to buy 'things' - she buys a cheap lifestyle indeed.
And I am pretty sure she will be propped up substantially by having Stella still within arms reach - and that is also the fault of the system - her legal reps both in the US and in Indonesia as well as
those who serve her. I am not saying deny her her health, food and necessities.
But, psychotic sociopaths use tactics which turn tables. One day the egg will be on the faces of these people who supported her if they don't show some restraint towards her.
Shame on the lot of them if they allow this to continue.

I don't doubt that she had physical involvement with the actual murder of her mother, and hasn't been charged accordingly.

Who is also to say that TS's alleged altercation was not instigated by HM.
Its a ludicrous suggestion, but one I wouldn't put past her anymore.
I have no doubt also that HM will be working out more ways to make people suffer.
She is a psychopath.
Prisoners with nothing, have nothing - Heather has lots.

 

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Not sure why the full post quote didnt come up from the link but,

William Wiese:
I also hope that everyone continues to remember the true victims of this horrific murder, Sheila, whose life was senselessly cut short, and Stella, an innocent baby brought into this world in very difficult circumstances,” William Wiese said in a statement.



Sheila is certainly not forgotten in all of this.