GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #5

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I'm sure the article was posted, but the author discussed how much of the estate has already been used for legal fees. Pardon my ignorance, but with all the claims already, is there still 30% available to take?
 
I'm confused as to why they would think that would work. Judge Cohen already acknowledged that the money wasn't supposed to be for any other child...?
 
Bugbear said:
"Whatever your opinion of the adults in this case," says attorney Vanessa Favia, "I believe everyone would agree that the baby bears no culpability in this truly sad affair."
I do believe that is true yet it rings so hollow coming from the mouth of one of what appears to be one of greediest legal participants.
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Bugbear said:
I had a feeling something along these lines was in the working. I am sure there is a better source but when I heard it on the radio on my way into work, this was the first article to pop up.

http://www.people.com/article/bali-suitcase-murder-heather-mack-possible-execution

Mack's Chicago-based attorneys are filing papers today on behalf of their client to turn over 30 percent of her $1.3 million trust fund to help provide care for her infant daughter.

"Whatever your opinion of the adults in this case," says attorney Vanessa Favia, "I believe everyone would agree that the baby bears no culpability in this truly sad affair."

Mack's criminal defense attorney Michael Elkin insists that his client's decision to transfer a portion of her trust fund to her daughter isn't an admission of guilt. "Now that the prosecution and defense have rested, Heather says she no longer wants to wait," says Elkin. "Heather wants Stella to be provided for, regardless of what people may think of her."

NBC's Link: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...-Trust-Fund-to-Infant-Daughter-300631301.html
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30 percent? Wow how generous :rolleyes: Which indicates to me that she's pretty confident she'll be keeping the balance and so are her attorneys. I wondered where Favia and Elkin were. Sounds like they're still hanging around for their payout.

I say let her do this with one stipulation. Stella is returned to the U.S. and adopted out to an anonymous family. The 30 percent trust is held for her until she turns at least 21. Stella will be provided for no problem in the interim by a loving adoptive family. If this had anything to do with what is in the baby's best interests, that is exactly what Favia would be fighting for.

But no, this is to ensure that HM's "friends" in Bali continue to receive funds while "babysitting" Stella that they can pass on to HM. Because that's just what a baby in Bali needs. Access to about $400,000 US.

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gracehatter said:
"Whatever your opinion of the adults in this case," says attorney Vanessa Favia, "I believe everyone would agree that the baby bears no culpability in this truly sad affair."

I do believe that is true yet it rings so hollow coming from the mouth of one of what appears to be one of greediest legal participants.
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Well Favia doesn't really want to know that most people count her in with regards to the opinions of the adults in this case does she? I totally agree that the baby bears no culpability in this MURDER! "Truly sad affair"? Really Favia? Let's call it what it is, legally speaking.

So why is the baby in prison? :mad:

MOO
 
As much as everyone loves babies.... They seem to work for getting lighter sentences, gaining sympathy of the court, gaining access to leave the prison etc. etc. Let's see if this gets pulled off and just how much it "cost" to file some papers and brief the judge... $200,000?

I did not think it was possible to move any part of the Trust, it should not be accessible til HM is Age 30. Although she has been allowed to tap into it for Defense. I do not see how it can be split up prior to what Terms are already written.

Maybe that is where the Briefing Favia requested? We will see "how" this turns out, Favia has to, at some point, request to literally change an existing Trust (which I am not aware of how this is done).

My concern was that by moving any $ to Stella, HM would keep Stella in Prison the full term and gain additional $ via that route. Yes, it is extremely selfish, but would not surprise me at all.
 
By the way, is this also being filed in Judge Cohen's court? Is it still under his jurisdiction?
 
Favia takes the same approach each time ..
An example from December which was on the defunct Fundraiser website:

"Regardless of the public's opinion on the guilt or innocence of Heather Mack, one thing is certain: Baby Stella is an innocent baby who deserves a chance to be born healthy, to grow and to thrive," Favia states on the Youcaring website.

20 April 2015
“What ever [sic] your opinion of the adults in this case, I believe everyone would agree that the baby bears no culpability in this truly sad affair,” Chicago attorney Vanessa Favia said in a statement.


Just get to the sentencing :waiting:



Link to:
(no spaces) Fundraiser Site: http://www. young and caring /medical-fundraiser/help-baby-stella-be-healthy-in-indonesia-s-prison-system/275229

MSM article: http://www.oakpark.com/News/Article...ld-of-Oak-Park-teen-suspected-of-Bali-murder/
 
whatthewhaat said:
I'm confused as to why they would think that would work. Judge Cohen already acknowledged that the money wasn't supposed to be for any other child...?
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This was wording from James Mack's trust, to keep his grown child and possibly an illegitimate child from getting any of the insurance settlement. The settlement of $500K went to HM and then to Sheila. (I don't think there was any other money, besides maybe the house, in James Mack's name. I have read that he died with very little money).

It is Sheila's trust that will have to be followed, I imagine. I am no legal eagle, but it sounds like they are trying to get this in before WW files a wrongful death suit. Or, they are trying to hedge HM's bets before the judges announce their ruling, just in case she is found guilty. Either way, by doing this, it sounds like they are trying to make sure there is some money for Heather, I mean Stella, no matter what happens.

Also, I agree that if any money is awarded for Stella, this will insure her incarceration for the next two years. And it doesn't seem that anyone can/will take the baby away from Heather. Poor Stella, she is much better off not inheriting anything at this point. MOO.
 
Weezer Fan said:
This was wording from James Mack's trust, to keep his grown child and possibly an illegitimate child from getting any of the insurance settlement. The settlement of $500K went to HM and then to Sheila. (I don't think there was any other money, besides maybe the house, in James Mack's name. I have read that he died with very little money).

It is Sheila's trust that will have to be followed, I imagine. I am no legal eagle, but it sounds like they are trying to get this in before WW files a wrongful death suit. Or, they are trying to hedge HM's bets before the judges announce their ruling, just in case she is found guilty. Either way, by doing this, it sounds like they are trying to make sure there is some money for Heather, I mean Stella, no matter what happens.

Also, I agree that if any money is awarded for Stella, this will insure her incarceration for the next two years. And it doesn't seem that anyone can/will take the baby away from Heather. Poor Stella, she is much better off not inheriting anything at this point. MOO.
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Favia said in December:
http://www.oakpark.com/News/Article...ld-of-Oak-Park-teen-suspected-of-Bali-murder/

She said Stella Mack would be considered a U.S. citizen and placed in foster care, but it is unclear whether she would remain in Bali.
It also is unclear how long the trial will last if Mack is charged with the crime.

"Permanent or temporary placement of the child is dependent on the outcome of the case," she said.
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I suspect they already know how this is going to turn out - and they are doing exactly that - hedging their bets.
It is as bad as Insider Trading.
 
I think she uses the baby as a ticket out of prison. May be planned the whole pregnancy, hoping for leniency.
Complains baby's hair falling out because her 'coke and hamburger diet'.
Baby also fallen ill in prison. [emoji19]

I think she is a spoiled brat, after parents' money, wanted greater freedom, thought she found a way to get it. Another Casey Anthony
Jmo


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Kamille said:
By the way, is this also being filed in Judge Cohen's court? Is it still under his jurisdiction?
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Yes, the next Court Date is set for 06/01/2015. The last filings were from 04/10/2015. I have been watching the Chancery (Trust) Case, even though I am not sure who all is trying to do what. Aside from Favia, there are two other new Law Firms also involved of late.
I imagine if anything more is filed it will show up in a couple days. The Dockets are updated seemingly about 2-3 days later.

https://w3.courtlink.lexisnexis.com...v=&caseno=&PLtype=1&sname=mack+heather&CDate=
 
I have a question if anyone has an idea on this?

The Slayer Rule (rethinking a bit) In calculating inheritance of the decedent's estate, the effect of the slayer rule was that the slayer would be treated as though he or she had predeceased the person who had been murdered.


If this is the standard used, Stella would not exist, nor would she. That would be an interesting brick wall to run up against.

IL is predeceased
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=075500050K2-6
 
 
If only I was as naïve as I was before, I'd believe this young mother cared about her baby. Why does the press cater to these untrue noble motives? Truth is it's still all about Heather and her greedy legals, not the baby.

'Suitcase murder' teen signs over part of her $1.3million trust fund to her baby daughter as she awaits trial in Bali jail for death of her socialite mother
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...3million-trust-fund-4-month-old-daughter.html

"Heather Mack, now 19, is set to sign over a 'significant percentage' of her trust for the care of daughter Stella"
 
So according to these reports, Sheila's entire estate was left in trust to HM. So how does that work? I thought we were under the impression that there was a trust for HM and the estate was a separate matter.

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I don't think that money is Heather's to sign over to anyone. Are they trying to jump ahead of tomorrow's sentencing? Praying Sheila's brother is going to make a big ruckus. This is all so frustrating!
 
Curious Me said:
I don't think that money is Heather's to sign over to anyone. Are they trying to jump ahead of tomorrow's sentencing? Praying Sheila's brother is going to make a big ruckus. This is all so frustrating!
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Exactly! First of all, Sheila's money shouldn't even be going to pay for Heather's defense of killing her, second, Heather isn't old enough to inherit the trust money 3) it wasn't delegated to go to anyone else, let alone Heather's heirs. It is unfortunate that Sheila couldn't have willed around Heather straight to the baby.
 
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