Bio Mom & her family

[kiki the parrot]

There is more than one level of culpability, and more than one angle that LE must continue working. Obviously their chief concern is finding the perpetrator responsible for snatching her in order to locate Haleigh and get this off the streets before he can harm anyone else. But in order to do this it's equally necessary for LE to investigate HOW this occurred because the primary of this puzzle is who exactly was watching Haleigh and her brother, how perp got INTO the home, and WHERE were the *adults* charged w their care and supervision. Personally I am not directly implicating bio mom, dad or gf but do feel bio mom has been more forthright about her past drug involvement than dad (who denied even a history), which decreases his, and increases her, credibility w me. Feel "bandwagons" and one-sided "campaigning" are hindering, not helping, this case. No one deserves to get a pass or a carte blanche endorsement--it should go w/out saying that it is especially relevant to explore the history, parenting, associations and lifestyle of the person entrusted w custody from whose care and home this child vanished. No one has been "cleared." And in the meantime LE continues on a dual track investigation--as well they should--because in order to determine who took Haleigh the only real clues that can lead them there are who if anyone is claiming to have been there protecting her, how perp gained entry into the home or could have "stolen" a child purportedly being "watched" four feet from her caregiver, and most importantly, what were the risks to which Haleigh was being exposed. Personally, I am not "looking" at "sides" or at either dad, gf OR bio mom as being directly implicated. Nor is it for me personally useful to assign or attribute motives to immediate family members nor to "take sides" because to do so is inconsistent w my theory. If LE is scrutinizing or delving into dad's associations or lifestyle more carefully it is because it is from his home that Haleigh was abducted, I believe, by any one of 45 SOB's (including cousin from TN here) and what can be learned about the risks that contribute to identifying that SOB. I personally don't believe immediate family members had sufficient motive IMO--neither, it seems, does LE who are likely continuing to question dad and gf for the same reasons as I am. It is there in their care, where she can last be placed. The sick and twisted motive of any of these SOB's is only too clear but dad and gf's credibility is being more critically examined than bio mom's in that it establishes a timeline and is key in establishing opportunity. The only side anyone should want to be on is Haleigh's and LE's side. JMO

arrot:

 

[blubuni99]

Bio Moms BF gives me the willies. I have no idea why, and I have tried to figure out why but I just can't. I might also add that several of these players give me pause however he tops all of them.

I know it's a loose theory however I am not saying that bio mom knows anything about it. IIRC the day after Haleigh was missing Chad bought Crystal on her myspace. Strange to be on myspace when a child is missing. I could see if it was to make a plea for a missing child but that wasn't the case. I don't know, something just isn't sitting right with me when it comes to him.

Does anyone know how long Crystal's mom and and Chad's dad been together? When did they get married?

I'm not saying this happened but if you sign on to myspace anytime after midnight the date will change. So perhaps he 'bought' Crystal before they got the call about Haleigh? They didn't get the phone call until at LEAST 3:30am so if he signed on myspace anytime before that, it would show up as that day. I don't know if that is what happened. I'm just theorizing.

 

[Littleone48]

It seems like a-lot of people think RC is abusive and that's why Crystal is afraid. I watched the videos again when the families were united and she really doesn't seem afraid or uncomfortable with him. However she does with her mom IMO.

When this first happened her mom wanted to trash RC but Crystal wasn't having anything to do with it. I think Crystal is doing what her mom wants her to do. Crystal may have had years of practice on how not to show her emotions.

 

[pirate]

I started feeling this yesterday more,it has bothered me the BioMom and Misty's lack of emotion,at times they would actually get some tears....

They've watched thier daughter go through three years of custody battles....

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Here's something to ponder- what is the commonality between Misty and Crystal? Ronald. Yes, they are both flat emotionally. People like that often have low self esteem and are attracted to abusers- likely because they may have been subjected to abuse during childhood. They are shrinking violets, often take on the role of doormat. Abusers like women like that- they are easier to push around and control.


And again, I'm revisiting the three years of custody battles. Are there any court records that document that there is an ongoing custody battle?

 

[pirate]

There is more than one level of culpability, and more than one angle that LE must continue working. Obviously their chief concern is finding the perpetrator responsible for snatching her in order to locate Haleigh and get this off the streets before he can harm anyone else. But in order to do this it's equally necessary for LE to investigate HOW this occurred because the primary of this puzzle is who exactly was watching Haleigh and her brother, how perp got INTO the home, and WHERE were the *adults* charged w their care and supervision. Personally I am not directly implicating bio mom, dad or gf but do feel bio mom has been more forthright about her past drug involvement than dad (who denied even a history), which decreases his, and increases her, credibility w me. Feel "bandwagons" and one-sided "campaigning" are hindering, not helping, this case. No one deserves to get a pass or a carte blanche endorsement--it should go w/out saying that it is especially relevant to explore the history, parenting, associations and lifestyle of the person entrusted w custody from whose care and home this child vanished. No one has been "cleared." And in the meantime LE continues on a dual track investigation--as well they should--because in order to determine who took Haleigh the only real clues that can lead them there are who if anyone is claiming to have been there protecting her, how perp gained entry into the home or could have "stolen" a child purportedly being "watched" four feet from her caregiver, and most importantly, what were the risks to which Haleigh was being exposed. Personally, I am not "looking" at "sides" or at either dad, gf OR bio mom as being directly implicated. Nor is it for me personally useful to assign or attribute motives to immediate family members nor to "take sides" because to do so is inconsistent w my theory. The purpose in scrutinizing or delving into dad's associations or lifestyle is because it is from his home that Haleigh was abducted, I believe, by any one of 45SOB's (including cousin from TN here) and what can be learned about the risks that contribute to identifying that SOB. I personally don't believe immediate family members had sufficient motive IMO--neither I believe does LE who are likely continuing to question dad and gf for the same reasons as I am. It is there in their care, where she can last be placed. The sick and twisted motive of any of these SOB's is only too clear but dad and gf's credibility is at stake and more critical than bio mom's in establishing a timeline and is key in establishing opportunity. The only side anyone should want to be on is Haleigh's and LE's side. JMO

arrot:

A voice of reason in a sea of chaos, Kiki.

Thank you.

 

[Littleone48]

I'm not saying this happened but if you sign on to myspace anytime after midnight the date will change. So perhaps he 'bought' Crystal before they got the call about Haleigh? They didn't get the phone call until at LEAST 3:30am so if he signed on myspace anytime before that, it would show up as that day. I don't know if that is what happened. I'm just theorizing.

I thought about that also but wasn't there a comment below that about Haleigh missing? I can't remember now. Point being they signed in on myspace and it wasn't to plead for Haleigh's return. IMO

 

[winterrose]

Shoot,I don't think she makes a move without her Mom's approval and her Mom has possibly told her what to say.I think her Mom is in control and is trying to get centerstage.I felt at the beginning Crystal still cared about RC,but maybe being around RC and Misty,she's a little jealous,which would be natural if you still cared.

 

[pirate]

Actually, if you read the myspace comment from that date, it was a request to buy her but in the same message he said something like I am here for you and I love you.

I just checked the page- there are more current comments and the older one dropped off the page- but it was a message of support.

 

[winterrose]

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Here's something to ponder- what is the commonality between Misty and Crystal? Ronald. Yes, they are both flat emotionally. People like that often have low self esteem and are attracted to abusers- likely because they may have been subjected to abuse during childhood. They are shrinking violets, often take on the role of doormat. Abusers like women like that- they are easier to push around and control.


And again, I'm revisiting the three years of custody battles. Are there any court records that document that there is an ongoing custody battle?

Shoot yeah,I've seen that with women and it's when they've been dominated,RC is a dominate person,her Mom and her Dad.And there has got to be a reason why Misty has been on her own at such a young age.It's like you have to tell them both what to say or think,really sad,actually.

 

[cuppy199]

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Here's something to ponder- what is the commonality between Misty and Crystal? Ronald. Yes, they are both flat emotionally. People like that often have low self esteem and are attracted to abusers- likely because they may have been subjected to abuse during childhood. They are shrinking violets, often take on the role of doormat. Abusers like women like that- they are easier to push around and control.


And again, I'm revisiting the three years of custody battles. Are there any court records that document that there is an ongoing custody battle?

Your right abuser do love women like that My only problem is just because someone says there was doesnt mean there was. Does Ron have a temper yet yea but it still doesnt mean they are abusive. I have also been in a abusive relationship for more then 15 years. but I also have seen my ex sister law claim abuse and rape when in fact there was none. What Im saying is we dont know all the facts just because someone might claim it doesnt mean it so. The sad thing is that it makes it harder for the ones who are really involved in a abusive relationship when other claim it happen when it didnt. Im not saying it didnt happen Im just saying that sometimes things arent always what them seem is all And Im not willing to throw Ron under bus just yet anywaylol

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I think the threat of jail for bio mom's inability to pay back $4100.00 could very well figure into this. It will continue to go up every month at a rate of $325.00. New babies are very expensive and add to that a mom in jail for back child support. How long would it be before they would arrest her on back support in Florida? They were obviously already intercepting money (see the $48.00 prior to the Contempt charge).

With a court hearing on the horizon, desperate times often call for desperate measures.

I know my theories are usually never the popular ones (but my track record is still pretty darn good). Call it fuzzy logic if you want...I simply call things as I see them. I see a family on one side who are sincerely tortured over the loss of Haleigh and on the other I see a family who take a shot at revenge given every opportunity. This raises red flags. The more I find out, the more red flags emerge.

The custody issue is not only contentious...it is raging with fury. Another red flag is noting bio mom has done nothing in court to change it yet they scream wildy about how Ronald should not have these children.

 

[winterrose]

That's so true Kiki,I'm just looking at all the angles.It would be the best scenario if it was a family member for this reason,because Haleigh would be safe and with someone who cared,for whatever reason.

 

[pirate]

The custody battle is not only contentious...it is raging with fury. Another red flag is noting bio mom has done nothing in court to change it yet they scream wildy about how Ronald should not have these children.

Ok- how can you say there is a custody battle that is "raging with fury" when in the same sentence you can say "bio mom has none nothing in court to change it?"

If there are no court proceedings for custody there is not a custody battle.

 

[winterrose]

I saw that pic of him and Haleigh brushing thier teeth together and it just gave me another picture of them,I hadn't seen.I put in the photos section.If it is a family member,this will not go on too much longer and LE will solve it.Sadly,if it's not,I don't even want to go there.

 

[winterrose]

Well,I'm not trying to take sides with either family,I just want Haleigh back and I was hoping it was a family member and she was safe.

 

[winterrose]

I think I started a fight and I'm going to pick up my toys and go home now.LOL

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I believe getting Haleigh back is what everyone wants except the perp/perps who took her. If it means scrutinizing the family with the most motive...then I will do just that. It doesn't mean I am "taking sides". It means I am not buying someone's BS and I have reasons for it.

ETA: You didn't start anything, Winter~ Hugs~ No one is fighting...we are disagreeing which is allowed.

 

[tehcloser]

I think I started a fight and I'm going to pick up my toys and go home now.LOL

Sorry didn't you get the memo? Leaving is not allowed.You are stuck, just like the rest of us. :dance:

 

[Littleone48]

I think I started a fight and I'm going to pick up my toys and go home now.LOL

:blowkiss: ah don't go home. Some posters just come off stronger than others while stating their opinions. I don't anyone is fighting. :blowkiss:

 

[Law_girl41]

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I just re-read the custody hearing document (Document 1). Contrary to what Bio g'ma says it was not brought up in the hearing at all. I may have missed it, but I don't think so...

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Ceeker- thank you for providing the links to the court documents regarding custoday for December 27th. 2005.
On the second link, part two....On January 4th, 2006 Crystal entered what is called: "A Motion for Hearing and Objection to the Findings of the Magistrate"
filed with the court. I read both documents in their entirety. On page 31, Line #20 & #22 The Incident regarding the "canal accident" was brought to the attention of the court.

My next question: WAS there a follow up hearing related to January 4th 2006 Motion for Objection of the Findings? If so, I would like to read those as well to see how each parent responded to that particular incident. That would be helpful in clarification of those who are looking for facts. TIA