Bio Mom & her family

[Littleone48]

Before I post my thoughts please bear in mind that I have had way too much coffee this morning...so this may be "out" there but a thought I have had for awhile.

Bio Mom's Boyfriend: Is there a chance that he had her taken because of the back support owed? Maybe even sold her?

That would explain the Gma thinking she was in Ga or Tenn. I mean she is married to Chad's father. It's a family thing

On GR it was said the RC told Chad that he was 75% sure he knew who took Haleigh but now it's someone else he told?

He gives me the willies....IMO

But that still leaves why Jr wasn't taken? It's the whole unemotional thing that bothers me. The GR thing really really bothers me. Not once did she plead, ask, hold a sign up for the return of Haleigh. She made is about her and RC YEARS ago..

 

[Kat]

I'm not comfortable with someone sold Haleigh. If bio-mom's side of the family had anything to do with this, I don't think that Haleigh would have been sold. Just my two cents. FWIW But if this might have happened (I'm not saying that it did, just threw a theory out there for us to play with ) I would think that Haleigh is in a safe place. There may be bitterness and contention between bio-mom and RC but I do believe both loved her to the best of their abilities (even if I, personally, think that some of the life choices weren't in her best interest).

I have other theories but those do not have a positive outcome for Haleigh, I'm not ready to work those through enough yet to post them.

Go going CeeKer let me know if anything stands out to you!

 

[Busylady]

Court documents show Haleigh's mother, Crystal Sheffield, is behind in child support by about $4,100.

A motion was filed by the state's Department of Revenue on Ronald Cummings' behalf against Sheffield for contempt. It was dated February 3rd, a week before Haleigh disappeared.

A hearing was set for Sheffield for March 27.

Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, told first Coast News he received a copy of the document about the hearing the day before Haleigh vanished. Cummings appeared frustrated about the timing of the document's arrival and his daughter's disappearance.

Sheffield's mother, Marie Griffis, said her daughter did not want to discuss the issue.


Last week, on February 16th, the state signed a dismissal document which cancelled the child support contempt of court hearing until Haleigh is found. The dismissal document was filed in the Putnam County Clerk of Courts office Tuesday.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132134&catid=3

 

[Law_girl41]

Bolded: I have not seen anything on camera regarding that. However, that does not mean it hasnt been going around thru the famlies discussions amongst themselves.

That said- If you listen to Crystals mother explain the story behind the incident- you will hear her clearly say that the incident was brought into the custody hearings, and she says RC blames Crystal for that incident in court.

I agree about context, but I will NOT compare the mothers family to another case. It's demeaning. This is a different family with different issues and totally different dynamics.

 

[BetsyB]

Bolded: I have not seen anything on camera regarding that. However, that does not mean it hasnt been going around thru the famlies discussions amongst themselves.

That said- If you listen to Crystals mother explain the story behind the incident- you will hear her clearly say that the incident was brought into the custody hearings, and she says RC blames Crystal for that incident in court.

I agree about context, but I will NOT compare the mothers family to another case. It's demeaning. This is a different family with different issues and totally different dynamics.

I believe we're seeing a good deal of displaced anger toward the biomom and her family because of the other case. It strikes me as very interesting that the same scrutiny is not being applied, by many, to RC.

I really do not think that we're dealing with plotters and connivers here. Clearly, there are relationship issues, legal issues, and substance abuse issues. Those may or may not be germane to the case. I guess we won't know until more comes to light about Haleigh's disappearance.

To ascribe to either side of the family characteristics we've seen elsewhere is misguided, IMO. As is turning a blind eye to the faults of one side in favor of disemboweling the other. It's as though RC's display of emotion so salved our souls after months of observing a remorseless killer that we assume he must be faultless.

Kind of fuzzy logic, IMO. There's plenty to be scrutinized all around. But plotting and conniving are not, I don't think, part of the schemata.

 

[Law_girl41]

He gives me the willies....IMO

But that still leaves why Jr wasn't taken? It's the whole unemotional thing that bothers me. The GR thing really really bothers me. Not once did she plead, ask, hold a sign up for the return of Haleigh. She made is about her and RC YEARS ago..

respectfully snipped by me:
who gives you the willies and can you emphasize on why?

Bolded by me: that statement right there would negate any reason for anyone on the mothers side to kidnap or take haleigh because of back child support owed. Regardless, that money thats in arrerage does not get dismissed because a child is missing or not in the home. And also, the non-custodial parent still has to pay child support for the remaining children as so ordered by the courts. So then, this would not make sense to take one and leave the other, based on back child support owed or ordered.

 

[Kat]

respectfully snipped by me:
who gives you the willies and can you emphasize on why?

Bolded by me: that statement right there would negate any reason for anyone on the mothers side to kidnap or take haleigh because of back child support owed. Regardless, that money thats in arrerage does not get dismissed because a child is missing or not in the home. And also, the non-custodial parent still has to pay child support for the remaining children as so ordered by the courts. So then, this would not make sense to take one and leave the other, based on back child support owed or ordered.

Okay now that is a very good reason. Why not take Jr. too. I retract my loose theory that Bio-mom could have wanted Haleigh so bad, and loved Haleigh so much, that she could have potentially arranged for Haleigh to be moved to a safe place.

I was hoping that the theory would float. Because I want so desperatly to believe that she could be alive and well.

Now I will go back to the other theories that I have in the works. All result with a deceased Haleigh

 

[Law_girl41]

Okay now that is a very good reason. Why not take Jr. too. I retract my loose theory that Bio-mom could have wanted Haleigh so bad, and loved Haleigh so much, that she could have potentially arranged for Haleigh to be moved to a safe place.

I was hoping that the theory would float. Because I want so desperatly to believe that she could be alive and well.

Now I will go back to the other theories that I have in the works. All result with a deceased Haleigh

It's okay Kat. I've had different thoughts on my mind for this case. I have to separate the facts from the spin before I can put it in that "theory box in my brain". It's probably very easy for some to get lost in emotions about cases like these...which is why I dont hit that post button on everything that comes to me.

 

[CeeKer]

Bolded: I have not seen anything on camera regarding that. However, that does not mean it hasnt been going around thru the famlies discussions amongst themselves.

That said- If you listen to Crystals mother explain the story behind the incident- you will hear her clearly say that the incident was brought into the custody hearings, and she says RC blames Crystal for that incident in court.

I agree about context, but I will NOT compare the mothers family to another case. It's demeaning. This is a different family with different issues and totally different dynamics.

http://www.fox30online.com/mostpopu...ings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx

I just re-read the custody hearing document (Document 1). Contrary to what Bio g'ma says it was not brought up in the hearing at all. I may have missed it, but I don't think so... Therefore my opinion and conclusion remains: she doesn't tell the truth based on her misleading, or even sometimes false allegations. IMO she is indeed someone who has a problem not spinning events to suit her own agenda... like the A's. If you feel it's demeaning, that's your perogative.

 

[CeeKer]

I believe we're seeing a good deal of displaced anger toward the biomom and her family because of the other case. It strikes me as very interesting that the same scrutiny is not being applied, by many, to RC.

I really do not think that we're dealing with plotters and connivers here. Clearly, there are relationship issues, legal issues, and substance abuse issues. Those may or may not be germane to the case. I guess we won't know until more comes to light about Haleigh's disappearance.

To ascribe to either side of the family characteristics we've seen elsewhere is misguided, IMO. As is turning a blind eye to the faults of one side in favor of disemboweling the other. It's as though RC's display of emotion so salved our souls after months of observing a remorseless killer that we assume he must be faultless.

Kind of fuzzy logic, IMO. There's plenty to be scrutinized all around. But plotting and conniving are not, I don't think, part of the schemata.

I respect your opinion, but I, as well, am entitled to mine.

 

[pirate]

Everyone is discussing a "contentious" child custody battle.

I've seen no evidence that custody issues were ongoing- in fact, the only court proceedings I've seen pertaining to custody were closed in 2005 when Ronald was given custody of the children.

Are there other documents I may have missed that show that Crystal was trying to regain custody of the children?

What I see here are arguments that are convenient to the point of view-

#1- She lost her kids to Ronald and never did anything to regain custody so he can't be that bad of a guy.

#2- She kidnapped Haleigh because of a custody battle that I've seen no evidence of.

#3- She called her kids "brats" on myspace so she must not love them as much as she loves her new baby.

#4- She kidnapped one of her two children with Ronald to get out of paying child support. Sorry but $350 a month for two children equals less than $200 per child per month. Having a child in your home is much more expensive than that.


Florida has one of the highest unemployment rates in the country- it seems that Crystal was a waitress according to docs from 2005. Many restaurants are out of business or cutting personnel. Plus, Crystal had another baby a few months ago.

We don't know if she lost her job due to the economy and is therefore unable to pay child support.

I don't believe servers qualify for much- if any- unemployment benefits since they don't have much "salary" to speak of.

She also could have stopped working during her pregnancy for any number of medical reasons- none of that has been discussed or speculated upon.

I dont' believe the back child support is an issue in Haleigh's disappearance. And I don't believe the mother is either. She has a new baby and a fiance- she seemed pretty happy prior to this. Does anyone really think she would jeopardize that in order to get out of paying $4,000?

 

[winterrose]

Someone posted this on the NG thread last night:
http://www.clipsyndicate.com/publish/video/845635/haleigh_s_family_speaks

Usually in this case I can think of a couple difference scenarios for pretty much everything, but I'm really confused by this report that Crystal was taken by LE to an abandoned house. Can anyone think of reasons for this, anything on either side of the argument??

Oh Ceeker :dance::blowkiss: Thank you so much.I knew I had seen that yesterday and SS asked where I had seen it and I couldn't find the link.

 

[Kat]

No pirate when I started all this chatter I had posted a loose theory that maybe Crystal had wanted to get them back because she loved them. It wasn't posted about money.

It was a thought I had and as it was pointed out I should think before I hit the send button. I will take that advice seriously and I appreciate that it was given to me.

 

[Law_girl41]

http://www.fox30online.com/mostpopu...ings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx

I just re-read the custody hearing document (Document 1). Contrary to what Bio g'ma says it was not brought up in the hearing at all. I may have missed it, but I don't think so... Therefore my opinion and conclusion remains: she doesn't tell the truth based on her misleading, or even sometimes false allegations. IMO she is indeed someone who has a problem not spinning events to suit her own agenda... like the A's. If you feel it's demeaning, that's your perogative.

I did not read the actual court documents. My response was based solely on the Youtube Video that you originally posted. If you found something in the court documents that refutes what Crystals mother stated in that youtube video. Thank You. And if I am wrong about something and am corrected about facts, in which you didnt provide originally until now.....I will kindly retract that comment and conceed that she falsely made a statement to the media.

Theres no need to get curt about a perogotive I may have regarding respecting this family as separate from the other case. If it makes someone feel better in justifying those comments about the other case to make a point, thats life....but I wont participate in demeaning people in this case. Like I said, this is alltogether a differnt road were on.

 

[CeeKer]

For the record: I do not, as yet, believe Bio mom's family had anything to do with what happened. HOWEVER, I believe it is beneficial to examine theories, if nothing else, then we can be disgard these theories as "explored".

I do not understand the nastiness that is sometimes brought into a "discussion" of theories.

I do not believe it is productive and only further separates the forum into warring factions.

With that, this discussion is over for me for the time being.

 

[Littleone48]

respectfully snipped by me:
who gives you the willies and can you emphasize on why?

Bolded by me: that statement right there would negate any reason for anyone on the mothers side to kidnap or take haleigh because of back child support owed. Regardless, that money thats in arrerage does not get dismissed because a child is missing or not in the home. And also, the non-custodial parent still has to pay child support for the remaining children as so ordered by the courts. So then, this would not make sense to take one and leave the other, based on back child support owed or ordered.

Bio Moms BF gives me the willies. I have no idea why, and I have tried to figure out why but I just can't. I might also add that several of these players give me pause however he tops all of them.

I know it's a loose theory however I am not saying that bio mom knows anything about it. IIRC the day after Haleigh was missing Chad bought Crystal on her myspace. Strange to be on myspace when a child is missing. I could see if it was to make a plea for a missing child but that wasn't the case. I don't know, something just isn't sitting right with me when it comes to him.

Does anyone know how long Crystal's mom and and Chad's dad been together? When did they get married?

 

[cuppy199]

Okay now that is a very good reason. Why not take Jr. too. I retract my loose theory that Bio-mom could have wanted Haleigh so bad, and loved Haleigh so much, that she could have potentially arranged for Haleigh to be moved to a safe place.

I was hoping that the theory would float. Because I want so desperatly to believe that she could be alive and well.

Now I will go back to the other theories that I have in the works. All result with a deceased Haleigh

Not saying I believe the theory but I have one reason I can think of not to take Jr. If Jr. was sleeping in the same bed with dads girlfriend and was close enough to her in bed that if taken it would diffently wake her up I cant see someone doing it. Plus the fact if it was one person that took Haleigh I pretty much would think they would have there hands full with just her. If this theory was true it might also be possible that all along it wasnt Haleigh they where meaning to take but maybe Jr. But Jr. wasnt as easy to get so they went with the one who was. I dont know just went along with the theroy who knows

 

[Law_girl41]

Bio Moms BF gives me the willies. I have no idea why, and I have tried to figure out why but I just can't. I might also add that several of these players give me pause however he tops all of them.

I know it's a loose theory however I am not saying that bio mom knows anything about it. IIRC the day after Haleigh was missing Chad bought Crystal on her myspace. Strange to be on myspace when a child is missing. I could see if it was to make a plea for a missing child but that wasn't the case. I don't know, something just isn't sitting right with me when it comes to him.

Does anyone know how long Crystal's mom and and Chad's dad been together? When did they get married?

Oh, I got ya. That my space comment was rather strange on such a day as that. I'll agree, it was an oddity for the moment.

Somewhere in the links there should be a post about a marriage record about Crystals mom /stepfather. I dont know the date off hand, sorry.

 

[winterrose]

Personally,I would find a more stable home for both children,I hope that both families lifestyles are checked into completely.There has been so much brought out in light of what's happened,living arrangements,questions of drug activity with both parents.But,I am exploring all the possibilties and motives of any family member.Is it possible that any one of them could feel it necessary to cause a situation to have the children taken and all of a sudden Haleigh is found,thank God for that,but what the opposing side wanted revealed is,because they felt the court wasn't listening.They couldn't prove what they knew,so they took it in thier own hands.Maybe the Mom doesn't want them to live with her,but would there be another part of the family that would want custody?

 

[winterrose]

I started feeling this yesterday more,it has bothered me the BioMom and Misty's lack of emotion,at times they would actually get some tears,but I have wondered who shows the most emotion for Haleigh's missing,besides RC?His Mom and Grandma Sykes,really like them,but BioMom's Dad and MG,they are so angry.They've watched thier daughter go through three years of custody battles,has to pay alot of money each month,and hasn't.From the beginning MG has publicly spoken out against RC,they know alot more than us about him.But,what motivations would they have?It seems little by little they've been throwing accusations out there,but this last Sunday laid it all out.